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Elderly relative won't wear hearing aids. Stopping visits until he does?

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TheTreeLightsAreFuckingMeOffNow · 03/12/2024 11:22

Morning all,

This might sound harsh but it's driving me up the bloody bend.
My grandad is elderly, 82. He's frail now and has just given up his license. Between me and my mum we have a rota for all lifts needed, I have him round for dinner once a week and so does she. The load is shared between me, my mum and aunt. My nanny sadly passed away a few years back so we try and keep grandad busy as he can get lonely. He lives 5 doors up from my mum and I know she carries a huge load of this and she struggles so I really try and help out as much as I can between having young DC, working full time as a single parent etc. grandad grates on mum sometimes as he won't even bother opening his mail he will just trundle round to mums while she's WFH and give her the envelopes. She's on a bit of a journey with asserting boundaries with this, as he's quite bone idle as it is and my nanny did everything for him so there's aspects that probably won't change now.

Anyway more to the point, he is profoundly deaf. But he never wears his bloody hearing aids! His excuse is 'his ears are blocked so what's the point' and 'he can hear perfectly well without them..' well the only reason he can hear is because we are shouting at him. The TV is on 3/4s of the max volume. It's bloody exhausting. I'm autistic and struggle with loud noises at the best of times. He doesn't know I'm autistic as he doesn't believe in any of that and said 'it's no different to when I take DD to soft play with loud noises'.

Anyway, I personally think it's rude and so antisocial to go to peoples houses, be fed and looked after and expect everyone to shout at him. Just put the bloody hearing aids in!

I've now said to grandad that he cannot come round or ask for help unless he's wearing his hearing aids. This hasn't gone down well with him, of course. I'm conscious with mum now getting even more of the load as I've put that boundary in place. I have suggested that she also has the same boundary she maybe it'll make him realise. She is thinking about doing the same thing.

AIBU? I think it's rude to come into someone else's home and expect everyone to shout when there's an easy fix. Shouting at someone and having to repeat yourself for 2-3 hours I find utterly exhausting, I come away feeling really overwhelmed and honestly can't wait to drop him back. I know that's probably due to my ND but I just can't do it anymore.

He won't wear them because he 'doesn't need them.' We've asked if they hurt or are too loud and he said they're fine.

AIBU? What else can we do? Thank you!

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Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 12:11

I feel awful cuz it's not my mother's fault that she can't hear, but I find myself getting so frustrated when she can't hear me.

pikkumyy77 · 03/12/2024 12:10

TheTreeLightsAreFuckingMeOffNow · 03/12/2024 11:54

Hello, thank you for your reply. I really appreciate it as currently I'm being made to feel I'm cruel and harsh and treating him badly. So I really appreciate your response.

So far I: order and pick up his click and collect twice a week from Tesco
Take him to see his friends at the cafe meet ups on a Thursday and wait for an hour and take him home.
Change his bedsheets every other weekend
Take his washing home with me and drop it back
Take him to his doctors appointments weekly
Pick up prescriptions (no delivery service near us)
Have him round for dinner
Help him with his mail and bills
Give him any lifts as and when needed

There's more, but that's what I've done in the last week or so.

I've been going through chemo myself and I am a single parent who works full time. I am really struggling and I think people are underestimating how much him wearing his hearing aids will help me.

You do a lot! You need to take care of yourself as a single working parent as well. You and your children will not survive if you break down. I would institute the rule in your house snd see how it goes. He will either comply and it won’t make things better, will make things better, or it will cut down home visits to something manageable.

MereDintofPandiculation · 03/12/2024 12:10

tedgran · 03/12/2024 11:44

I wear a hearing aid, have done since my early sixties. Deafness runs in my family, great aunt so deaf that everything was written on a slate. I don't know why peopleare so weird about hearing aids when they accept wearing glasses. I suggest that if you're tired of shouting, write everything down and explain why!

As someone bullied through childhood for wearing glasses, it's only recently that wearing glasses has become acceptable.

VictoriaEra · 03/12/2024 12:09

I completely understand your frustration. My parent is exactly the same. It actually causes issues as he 'mishears' and takes offence at things he imagines people said. He then gets stroppy in return. It can be really difficult as these perceived slights can cause ongoing rifts.

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 12:09

I understand you OP because it's hard for the person who has hearing problems, but it's also hard for the person going to visit them.

My mum constantly says "what" and I have to repeat everything I say. I find it really draining.

Chelmew · 03/12/2024 12:09

I think you are imagining hearing aids will miraculously make him be able to hear and join in. In my experience they made very little difference to my elderly GF. He still couldn’t hear well. As others have said the sound they create is not easy for the deaf person to tolerate.

I feel your pain. Visits with GF used to leave me with with a banging headache.
My solution - i have stopped trying to include him in as many conversations. He still enjoys being ‘present’ in our home. I actually consciously don’t shout any more but pause, to give him time to focus. Then I try again slowly in a normal tone of voice. If he says pardon again I point at his ears and say ‘you need to put your hearing aids in’. He grumbles. But still doesn’t put them in. His choice. So I shrug and I don’t repeat myself. We talk less but it is much less stressful all round. And if it’s something he really wants to know or hear he either concentrates and can hear better - or occasionally put his hearing aids in!!
Good luck - it’s hard work.

TheTreeLightsAreFuckingMeOffNow · 03/12/2024 12:09

He last had his ears checked last week at boots, I took him to the appointment. He has them checked regularly.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 03/12/2024 12:08

wear his hearing aids for a hour or two every couple of days so OP can visit and help him

That won't necessarily help. Audiologists are usually emphatic that you should wear aids all your waking hours in order for the brain to adapt to that way of hearing.

TheTreeLightsAreFuckingMeOffNow · 03/12/2024 12:07

OnlyinBlackandWhite · 03/12/2024 12:03

Hearing aids are not like wearing glasses, they often input very loud noises sometimes, the 'hum' is there, and often they are a last resort for people, it also depends if he has good ones or whatever the NHS has given him (which is better than it used to be but not necessarily top of the range). I know several people who use them, or rather don't use them, as they irritate their ears, don't deliver the kind of sound they find ok, or get infections a lot.

They don't seem easy to use and some people just prefer to go without than experience the above.

I think you are being unreasonable to expect him to wear them, but that's your decision. I wouldn't shout non-stop though, I'd communicate over food, but beyond that, just chat and if he can't hear, that's his decision too.

My mum paid thousands of pounds for his hearing aids, privately.

They are not NHS ones.

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Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 12:06

I do get it OP because my mum has very bad hearing.

It's extremely tiring to constantly have to shout and repeat yourself.

I find that a lot of hearing aids don't work that well either. Thought we eventually found her a pair that seemed to work a little bit.

MereDintofPandiculation · 03/12/2024 12:06

How long is it since he had his hearing tested? Deafness isn't an on-off switch, if he's had the same hearing aids for several years, it's quite possible that his deafness his worsened and his aids aren't helping a great deal.

Secondly, hearing aids can themselves be a problem, certain noises can trigger them into producing squeals and squeaks in the ears which are a problem. If I'm playing a higher pitched musical instrument I have to turn my aids off *despite it being the higher pitches that are difficult for me to hear) because of all the squeaks and squeals. (It's not my playing - other people don't hear them).

Thirdly, deafness usually creeps up on you. With old age, everything doesn't simply go quiet. Your ability to hear certain frequencies drops, and if this is the high frequencies, which it often is, then you don't hear sounds like "s", "t", and it seems that people are mumbling and not speaking clearly. But other sounds you'll hear as clearly as ever, so you have no idea the problem is you not them

Finally, hearing isn't just about the mechanics of what goes on in the ear. It's also about how the brain interprets it. So if the aids don't seem to make any difference, and in fact make things worse (eg producing strange noises, or being uncomfortable) then you won't wear them, and your brain won't get used to interpreting the sounds from them.

So, stop badgering him to wear them. But stop enabling him by shouting at him and turning the TV loud. Make sure everyone speaks in normal voices around him, and use subtitles on the tv if he can't hear at normal volume. And then maybe he'll start to realise he has got a problem.

I don't know whether he'd be concerned about this - there's good evidence linking deafness to risk of dementia. My audiologist tells me the reason is that with deafness it is all too easy to let the conversation wash over you, or drop out of social events altogether, and it's this withdrawal the increases the dementia risk. That's my motivation for paying attention to my hearing and feeling like a 90 year old lady with hearing aids tucked behind both my ears!

TheTreeLightsAreFuckingMeOffNow · 03/12/2024 12:06

Jagoda · 03/12/2024 12:03

Why are you shouting at him for hours?

Just speak normally and if he can’t hear you, shrug your shoulders and carry on.

If you are at his house and the tv is on really loudly, turn it off. If he complains, you leave.

Because if he came hear me, he will keep repeating and shouting at me. So I shout at him back for the shouting to stop, for all of 2 minutes.

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TheTreeLightsAreFuckingMeOffNow · 03/12/2024 12:05

Bunkbedbunk · 03/12/2024 12:01

Wow people are being really harsh to OP. Why does grandad's want to not wear hearing aids trump OP's complete overwhelm at being shouted at for hours?

OP I think you're right. If he wants to come round, pop in the hearing aids. If he doesn't want to, that's ok but he'll be on his own.

Could you pop around to him for as long as you can manage and then say "sorry grandad, gotta go, my head is banging with all the shouting". Twenty minutes or whatever?

Just because he's old and doesn't want to wear his hearing aids doesn't mean he can get his own way. His choice is

  1. don't wear his hearing aids but accept OP can't manage a visit
  2. wear his hearing aids for a hour or two every couple of days so OP can visit and help him

Why is that a problem?

Thank you, I completely agree.

Yes I'm going to do as you've said, make my boundary abundantly clear and make swift exits when I get overwhelmed.

Thank you for hearing me, I appreciate it!

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Musicaltheatremum · 03/12/2024 12:04

AmandaHoldensLips · 03/12/2024 11:41

It sounds like your grandma enabled him for many years by fulfilling the "woman" role of doing absolutely everything while he sat on his arse.

Your mother does not have to step into that role.

My 92 year old dad was shocked when he went out to a coffee morning at the church and all the men who were 10 and 20 years younger than him all relied on their daughters for everything. My dad lives 2 .5 hours from me. He has no choice but to get on with things. He's just stopped driving but still gets the bus and gets taxis otherwise or walks!
My FIL is the same. He's 97. He is deaf and has a directional microphone with headphones that he uses as can't manage hearing aids as they are fiddly and he's partially sighted.

OnlyinBlackandWhite · 03/12/2024 12:04

With the TV noise, I would say 'this is too loud for me, Grandad, I'll put the subtitles on' and then turn it down in my own house. In his house he can do what he likes.

Bunkbedbunk · 03/12/2024 12:04

As an aside - what if grandad wanted to smoke constantly in OP's house because it made him feel comfortable - would that be ok?

Or wanted to sit around in his underwear because it made him comfortable - would that be ok?

Sometimes/often we have to modify our behaviour to help others feel comfortable. In this case OP has put up with a lot. Time for grandad to wear the hearing aid for an hour

OnlyinBlackandWhite · 03/12/2024 12:03

Hearing aids are not like wearing glasses, they often input very loud noises sometimes, the 'hum' is there, and often they are a last resort for people, it also depends if he has good ones or whatever the NHS has given him (which is better than it used to be but not necessarily top of the range). I know several people who use them, or rather don't use them, as they irritate their ears, don't deliver the kind of sound they find ok, or get infections a lot.

They don't seem easy to use and some people just prefer to go without than experience the above.

I think you are being unreasonable to expect him to wear them, but that's your decision. I wouldn't shout non-stop though, I'd communicate over food, but beyond that, just chat and if he can't hear, that's his decision too.

Jagoda · 03/12/2024 12:03

Why are you shouting at him for hours?

Just speak normally and if he can’t hear you, shrug your shoulders and carry on.

If you are at his house and the tv is on really loudly, turn it off. If he complains, you leave.

TheTreeLightsAreFuckingMeOffNow · 03/12/2024 12:02

LetThereBeLove · 03/12/2024 11:58

I have to wear hearing aids and have done for some considerable time (I'm 76). They are uncomfortable to wear for extended periods ime. I do wear them when members of the family are around but otherwise when at home rarely put them in. It does irritate DP as he sometimes has to shout but he is understanding. Perhaps you need to be more so with DGF.
As far as the TV is concerned I use subtitles rather than have it playing at full volume.

We're only asking him to wear them when he's around us or even as a compromise when he's here for dinner. I can cope with a 30 minute car journey dropping him places but when he's in my home with the telly on 75 volume and I'm trying to make him dinner with a 4 year old in tow, I'd really appreciate if he wears them.

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SuperfluousHen · 03/12/2024 12:01

TheTreeLightsAreFuckingMeOffNow · 03/12/2024 11:56

I feel your pain. It's so overstimulating isn't it!

I come home utterly, utterly exhausted and frazzled to a crisp. Feel like crying much of the time. I just want to be somewhere peaceful and quiet but she’s getting very needy and has recently developed some serious health problems so I have to be there at least some of the time.

I’ve got a little respite completely by myself at the beach coming up this evening until Thursday afternoon and honestly it’s my oxygen mask, it’s that essential.

best to you and your mum and your grandad in your situation xx

MisterPNumber23 · 03/12/2024 12:01

My dad was like this. I always spoke normally to him, he always asked his wife what I was saying, she always bellowed "she's saying put your hearing aids in because she'sonly going to speak at a normal volume". So he always then put them in.

The only reason he didn't usually is because everyone pandered to him. Which was ludicrous!!!!

Stick to your guns, OP.

Bunkbedbunk · 03/12/2024 12:01

Wow people are being really harsh to OP. Why does grandad's want to not wear hearing aids trump OP's complete overwhelm at being shouted at for hours?

OP I think you're right. If he wants to come round, pop in the hearing aids. If he doesn't want to, that's ok but he'll be on his own.

Could you pop around to him for as long as you can manage and then say "sorry grandad, gotta go, my head is banging with all the shouting". Twenty minutes or whatever?

Just because he's old and doesn't want to wear his hearing aids doesn't mean he can get his own way. His choice is

  1. don't wear his hearing aids but accept OP can't manage a visit
  2. wear his hearing aids for a hour or two every couple of days so OP can visit and help him

Why is that a problem?

TheTreeLightsAreFuckingMeOffNow · 03/12/2024 12:01

TravellingJack · 03/12/2024 11:57

I also recommend Loop earplugs. Saved my sanity when visiting my elderly parents. Dad, who's 83, has owned hearing aids for maybe ten years now, and never ever wears them. He cannot hear anything we say unless we SHOUT, comes into a room and starts bellowing at us because from his pov we're sitting in silence... TV is on so loud the in-built speakers make that feedback sound (won't accept a new tv or external speakers or soundbar as they're not needed...) and he cannot hold a conversation with anyone not shouting. He's woken/scared my baby (she's now three) because he's so loud.

He claims it's because they hurt his ears, but refuses to look at new ones, because actually they make his ears itch anyway, but won't use the cream the nurse gave him, but the hearing aids don't work anyway so why bother... it's intensely frustrating and I feel I've lost a lot of my darling Dad as we can't have real conversations anymore. He's had his ears checked and cleaned more than I've had my hair cut in recent years! But no joy.

I accept he won't wear them, and it's a pointless battle, he's not going to suddenly agree to wear them at his age, he's too stubborn, so I wear my earbuds or leave the room when it's too loud for me (also ND so adding deafening noises to overheated, airless rooms which smell of smoke despite him only smoking outside is a killer for me).

I think your only kind course of action is adjusting something yourself, as my dad certainly is not going to change and your grandad sounds similar. Maybe have him over every fortnight - would that give you better respite to gear up for and recover from a stressful evening? Can you make time to take him to the cinema or something in the other week? My Dad can at least hear what's going on there with the surround sound and he likes the odd trip.

Thank you, this really means a lot.
I'll have a look at the loop earplugs today and get some ordered.

I just feel like he expects us to carry his load to the point I'm at breaking point, but won't help us or make our lives easier by wearing them.

I know it's not a quick fix but same here, we've taken him many times to get his ears unblocked and the last time the person said his ears aren't blocked and he needs to wear his aids.

I just think if you're expecting others to help so much, because you're refusing ANY outside care help, then you need to help us. I don't think that's unreasonable. I'm sorry you've been through this too, it's exhausting isn't it.

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LetThereBeLove · 03/12/2024 11:58

I have to wear hearing aids and have done for some considerable time (I'm 76). They are uncomfortable to wear for extended periods ime. I do wear them when members of the family are around but otherwise when at home rarely put them in. It does irritate DP as he sometimes has to shout but he is understanding. Perhaps you need to be more so with DGF.
As far as the TV is concerned I use subtitles rather than have it playing at full volume.

Werecat · 03/12/2024 11:58

He’s old and likely struggling with his deafness. hearing aids only help so much.

But speaking as someone who just lost someone - don’t stop visiting. You don’t want regret on top of sadness.

Wear loop ear plugs and simply tell everyone to cease shouting. If he wants to hear he will use the aids (and likely find it less overwhelming if everyone isn’t shouting when he does). If he is content with company, the you can live life around him and he’ll feel included.