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Catering for vegans

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PieandPotatoes · 03/12/2024 08:45

We have friends who come and stay regularly. One is a vegan. They never bring any food with them. It takes me ages to do the food shopping (checking labels for ingredients). We spend loads on oatmilk, vegan cheese/yoghurt etc and we end up cooking two dishes at mealtimes as my husband refuses to eat anything without meat. I think that they should at least bring some vegan food with them. What do you think?

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Nolegusta · 04/12/2024 22:17

despairnow · 04/12/2024 21:50

You know yes, it's a choice to eat fish, it's a choice to eat dead animals and drink cows milk.
It seems that choosing not to is viewed as more of a problem. Not sure why?

Have you not read the whole thread then?

Cosyblankets · 04/12/2024 21:57

despairnow · 04/12/2024 21:50

You know yes, it's a choice to eat fish, it's a choice to eat dead animals and drink cows milk.
It seems that choosing not to is viewed as more of a problem. Not sure why?

I don't think it's a problem at all. I think it's just as valid as choosing to eat meat. Both choices are equally valid but apparently the OP's husband is a spoilt brat for exercising his right to choose in his own home.

despairnow · 04/12/2024 21:51

You really don't need any specialist items. Just vegetables etc

despairnow · 04/12/2024 21:50

You know yes, it's a choice to eat fish, it's a choice to eat dead animals and drink cows milk.
It seems that choosing not to is viewed as more of a problem. Not sure why?

Nina1013 · 04/12/2024 20:22

Just say to them outright that they need to bring all of the specialist vegan items as they’re both hard to source and far more expensive. I find it mind blowing that they don’t!

I have significant allergies and things which are safe for me are equally expensive (5 x the cost of the ‘normal’ version or thereabouts). I wouldn’t expect anyone else to buy them!

pinkpjamas1 · 04/12/2024 20:18

MoodEnhancer · 03/12/2024 09:55

Unless I was really skint, I would be deeply embarrassed at the idea of hosting people but expecting them to bring their own food. It’s good manners for people to bring something like wine/flowers or maybe even take you out for a meal when they stay, but their bad manners wouldn’t induce bad hosting by me. I would, however, tell them not to lecture me about veganism because again, that’s bad manners.

I agree it is bad manners but so is telling them that their food is like plastic.

Cosyblankets · 04/12/2024 19:44

The reasoning behind it is irrelevant
It is a choice
They choose to be vegan
They don't have to
They choose to
Dress it up anyway you like
It's a choice

Nolegusta · 04/12/2024 18:25

despairnow · 04/12/2024 17:34

No it's not it's an entire lifestyle choice so skincare toiletries furniture clothes shoes

It's a choice, we're discussing it in the context of food here.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/12/2024 18:00

They only eat vegan food and they are strict about this - they actually try to lecture us when we are eating meat which we find very annoying

The vegans I know (mainly religious reasons) don't behave like this; the only ones who do are the latest fad variety who are usually the ones to make a huge fuss about what they "don't eat", only to help themselves to something inappropriate with a silly smirk and an "Oh this doesn't count"

With the first type I'm only too happy to cater (got some brilliant recipes from them too Smile)- with the second they're invited once and then not again

despairnow · 04/12/2024 17:34

No it's not it's an entire lifestyle choice so skincare toiletries furniture clothes shoes

Nolegusta · 04/12/2024 17:31

despairnow · 04/12/2024 16:26

Nole

'Veganism is a choice. Most vegans could safely eat meat, they just choose not to, for various reasons (health, ethical, misinformation). Clearly that's their choice. It's also ok for someone to choose to eat meat.'

Again, veganism is not a dietary choice but an ethical lifestyle. It's not for health or diet alone - that would be a plant based diet.
It's about opposing animal cruelty and abuse in the industry and by not killing or using animals for food, and often for reducing harm to the environment.

Again, veganism is a dietary choice, driven by a variety of factors.

despairnow · 04/12/2024 16:26

Nole

'Veganism is a choice. Most vegans could safely eat meat, they just choose not to, for various reasons (health, ethical, misinformation). Clearly that's their choice. It's also ok for someone to choose to eat meat.'

Again, veganism is not a dietary choice but an ethical lifestyle. It's not for health or diet alone - that would be a plant based diet.
It's about opposing animal cruelty and abuse in the industry and by not killing or using animals for food, and often for reducing harm to the environment.

despairnow · 04/12/2024 15:23

Nole
What is your point exactly?
Omnivores have no restrictions.
Vegans don't eat dairy eggs meat fish etc.
So if they are away from home vegans need to either take food, cook food or be catered for.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 04/12/2024 12:37

But equally if they’re inviting themselves they shouldn’t be making your lives harder.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 04/12/2024 12:36

So much to unpack in this scenario!

Definitely you could be asking them to bring some oat milk or similar if none of you drink it.

I would skip the things they hardly touch like vegan cheese - if it’s not an ingredient in meals then I guess they didn’t feel the need of it.

Your husband is part of the problem in that he insists on meat - so in many ways he’s the difficult eater in this scenario as otherwise everyone could just eat the same food. It’s quite easy to make a vegan meal that everyone could enjoy like a curry with coconut milk or a bean chilli or similar.

Otherwise the suggestions of vegan sausages and mash with a meat sausages option for Mr Fussy could work?

Or do a curry two ways he if really has to have meat.

I do that every day as DD is vegetarian and DS has alot of dislikes in terms of veg (ADHD with sensory issues so just “fussy”) and don’t find it very difficult to do the same thing two ways.

Bloom15 · 04/12/2024 12:29

BuzzieLittleBee · 03/12/2024 11:38

@Commonsense22 surely you don't only eat stews all year round?!

A stew is not hard to alter to be vegan though - just substitute the meat for veg and pulses.

I am really surprised by the number of people thinking the vegan guests should bring their own food though. Beyond checking which dairy substitute they prefer (not brand, just whether they'd rather oat/soy/almond based), it is not difficult or complicated to prepare a couple of evening meals without meat, dairy or eggs. I would be embarrassed to ask people to bring their own food.

People who invite themselves regularly should be bringing their own things. They sound like cheeky fuckers who happen to be vegan

Dotjones · 04/12/2024 11:33

The best thing to do is not go out of your way to buy things that you wouldn't buy if the vegans weren't coming. Loads of "normal" food is actually vegan - boiled vegetables for instance.

Make your meal as usual and give them parts of it that are still vegan, e.g. if you're doing a roast you could give them stuffing balls, carrots, sprouts etc. whilst everyone else gets the meat and potatoes and other good stuff. (They can have potatoes too if you don't use animal fat in basting.) Tea and coffee are vegan, just let them have it black.

Do this and they'll soon get the message, either they need to contribute or stop coming.

RampantIvy · 04/12/2024 10:58

Excellent and well thought out post @kiraric
Like you I cater for my guests, but then we only have people to stay that a) we have invited and b) that we want to see.

If hosts and guests aren't prepared to respect each other dietary choices than maybe the visitors should stay in an airbnb or similar and just meet up with their friends for a meal out instead.

Nolegusta · 04/12/2024 08:59

gannett · 04/12/2024 08:21

Choosing to eat meat doesn't mean insisting you eat meat at every single meal. That's the difference.

I'm a carnivore, and being served a vegetable curry does not infringe on my dietary choices (indeed I frequently choose meals without meat simply because they're delicious). For a vegan, being served a lamb curry would infringe on their dietary choices. For a Muslim or Jew, being served pork would infringe on their dietary choices.

It's not a hard distinction to understand.

I'm not sure what you think you're explaining tbh.
Veganism is a choice.
Vegetarianism is a choice.
Meat eating is a choice.
Neither choice is better or more important.

Nolegusta · 04/12/2024 08:56

despairnow · 04/12/2024 08:40

Nole
Yes it's a lifestyle choice but not like choosing chips over jacket potato. It's an ethical choice not just about diet choosing to oppose harm to animals (and the environment more recently).
It's now recognised as a protected belief system similar to religious belief.

It's still not up to others to accommodate you.

Nolegusta · 04/12/2024 08:55

NoNoNona · 04/12/2024 08:53

Steamed vegetables dressed with olive oil and garlic, baked, boiled, mashed or roasted in olive oil potatoes. Chick peas or lentils for protein.
Add meat for the carnivores. No special, highly-processed "vegan" alternatives.

That's one dinner. You're not going to eat that every night. 😬

NoNoNona · 04/12/2024 08:53

Steamed vegetables dressed with olive oil and garlic, baked, boiled, mashed or roasted in olive oil potatoes. Chick peas or lentils for protein.
Add meat for the carnivores. No special, highly-processed "vegan" alternatives.

Wordsmithery · 04/12/2024 08:47

I eat mainly vegan. It's not a big deal and I never buy the UHP vegan cheese or other gimmicks.
Lots of good ideas above about blended meals. And let them bring their own disgusting (and expensive) cheese.
The thing I'd really object to is them lecturing you. They come to your house several times a year and feel it's appropriate to tell you what to eat? Forcing their views on you is just plain rude.
Any chance of reducing the visits to once a year - or never?

despairnow · 04/12/2024 08:42

But myself and my vegan friends all know it's a restricted diet and have to make do/ go without as needed especially when not at home eg travelling as a lot of snacks / food etc have milk or egg in them.

despairnow · 04/12/2024 08:40

Nole
Yes it's a lifestyle choice but not like choosing chips over jacket potato. It's an ethical choice not just about diet choosing to oppose harm to animals (and the environment more recently).
It's now recognised as a protected belief system similar to religious belief.