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Lyingisnotok · 03/12/2024 06:59

NC for this.

My partner has a female friend. She has a long term partner. DP and her have known each other a couple of years. We have been in a relationship for over a year and are moving in together.

During the first few months of our relationship I didn’t meet her but was fine with them being friends. They went on a pre booked holiday together (twin room). He checked if it was ok for him to go and I was fine with it. No worries at all. Honestly trust him and felt genuinely fine about it.

A couple of months ago I finally met her, along with her partner and few others. She flirted with my DP a lot (ridiculous hair twirling, giggling, dominated his time - if you had looked in without knowing us all you’d assume they were together).

She largely ignored me. Made no effort at all. She responded to my attempts at conversation with her but then shut them down. Her partner and I exchanged a couple of glances as if to say ‘are you ok with this?’.

After that I calmly asked DP if he could only meet her when me and her partner are there as it felt uncomfortable for me the thought of her flirting with him without me there. I trust him not to take it anywhere but it just felt uncomfortable. He was a bit annoyed thinking I didn’t trust him but did agree as he could see my view.

I then found out recently he’d met her for lunch alone. I found out because he’d let something slip and so I asked and he answered. He wouldn’t lie directly but has lied through omission I think.

I was upset. He got cross. He doesn’t think I should make this request of him, he doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Gogogo12345 · 03/12/2024 21:18

MySweetGeorgina · 03/12/2024 21:10

Oh wow how she must have loved that he chose to see her secretly, and that he chose to go out with her instead of you, how they would have bonded over your @unreasonabablenss" your "misinterpreting" of their friendshipHmm

I think you are doubting your own intuition because you are being gaslit a bit by him

Trust your intuition

If it was an innocent friendship you would have meet up all together including you and her husband

Tryst yourself

They did all meet up together. But why should they have to in Every occasion?

If my OH has told me not to see a friend alone id have told him to get stuffed. The mistake this guy made was agreeing to it

MySweetGeorgina · 03/12/2024 21:10

Oh wow how she must have loved that he chose to see her secretly, and that he chose to go out with her instead of you, how they would have bonded over your @unreasonabablenss" your "misinterpreting" of their friendshipHmm

I think you are doubting your own intuition because you are being gaslit a bit by him

Trust your intuition

If it was an innocent friendship you would have meet up all together including you and her husband

Tryst yourself

ElleintheWoods · 03/12/2024 21:06

After that I calmly asked DP if he could only meet her when me and her partner are there as it felt uncomfortable for me the thought of her flirting with him without me there.

Such a request is just so not ok and controlling. If you say you trust him, you need to get your insecurities and disike of this woman in check.

Anyone who would tell me who I can and cannot see and under which conditions wouldn't have a place in my life, I am no longer 8.

Itissunnysomewhere · 03/12/2024 20:52

BigDahliaFan · 03/12/2024 20:44

If you don't trust someone fine, don't go out with them, but up you can't ban some from seeing someone alone. where does that stop?

It's not about banning, it's about having conversations about what makes you uncomfortable and if you can't both find a way forward then yes the right thing to do is end the relationship

Personally I would have ended it at the mere suggestion of bedroom sharing, but then I like myself enough to feel I deserve a partner who treats me with respect.

BigDahliaFan · 03/12/2024 20:44

If you don't trust someone fine, don't go out with them, but up you can't ban some from seeing someone alone. where does that stop?

Itissunnysomewhere · 03/12/2024 20:38

Gogogo12345 · 03/12/2024 20:31

See I have a male friend that I regularly see alone. There never has been or will be any sexual relationship but id be a bit pissed off that we couldn't chat without a girlfriend being there.

My OH has no issues with it either

Do you flirt continuously and go on holiday and share a bedroom though? If you were at a party would you studiously ignore his new girlfriend?

There's a whole world between truly platonic friendships and what op is describing.

Calliopespa · 03/12/2024 20:38

Gogogo12345 · 03/12/2024 20:31

See I have a male friend that I regularly see alone. There never has been or will be any sexual relationship but id be a bit pissed off that we couldn't chat without a girlfriend being there.

My OH has no issues with it either

But is your behaviour round him flirty? Or his?

Gogogo12345 · 03/12/2024 20:31

Lyingisnotok · 03/12/2024 07:44

Thank you. That’s a very thought provoking post.

My dad had an affair when I was in my teens, so there is a chance I’m sensitive to that fear but I’m fine with him having female friends generally, I do trust him not to take it further, but her behaviour was off. Him hiding it is off. I’m fine with his friendship with her, my preference is that it’s not just the two of them.

“Your partner lied, got defensive and did not care about how upset you were.
Seeing her takes priority over your feelings.”

Thats the bit that stings.

See I have a male friend that I regularly see alone. There never has been or will be any sexual relationship but id be a bit pissed off that we couldn't chat without a girlfriend being there.

My OH has no issues with it either

Itissunnysomewhere · 03/12/2024 20:29

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Exactly!

Peejays · 03/12/2024 20:25

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Bachboo · 03/12/2024 20:21

BigDahliaFan · 03/12/2024 20:14

I'd run a mile from a partner who told me who 8 could or couldn't meet. Yes, you are the red flag.

Absolute rubbish

BigDahliaFan · 03/12/2024 20:14

I'd run a mile from a partner who told me who 8 could or couldn't meet. Yes, you are the red flag.

Itissunnysomewhere · 03/12/2024 20:04

UnrelatedTo · 03/12/2024 19:36

Plus there is literally no way to render your relationship affair-proof by restricting your relationships, unless you live in a locked box.

Some examples of marriage-ending affairs among people I know were a man having an affair with his toddler’s married childminder, a man falling for a woman delivering things to a temporary workplace, and an affair that arose between two people who first ‘met’ on a school WhatsApp group for parents of children with SEN.

And the point is, People are going to encounter people they are attracted to from time to time. What matters is the boundaries they put in place when that happens. Do they shut down the flirtation or lean into it ...

holju · 03/12/2024 19:57

A decent man would have shut down her flirty behaviour straight away. Dump him now before you commit to him further.

UnrelatedTo · 03/12/2024 19:36

KrisAkabusi · 03/12/2024 18:25

I think that if you're in a relationship, it's a good idea not to put yourself in situations where you might cheat.

Sorry what? I can put myself where i want. There are no situations where I might cheat.

Plus there is literally no way to render your relationship affair-proof by restricting your relationships, unless you live in a locked box.

Some examples of marriage-ending affairs among people I know were a man having an affair with his toddler’s married childminder, a man falling for a woman delivering things to a temporary workplace, and an affair that arose between two people who first ‘met’ on a school WhatsApp group for parents of children with SEN.

LondonLawyer · 03/12/2024 19:18

I think you are both wrong TBH.
I don't think it was reasonable for you to ask him not to meet her alone, but having agreed to that it certainly wasn't right for him to do it behind your back.
After that meeting it would have been perfectly OK to have raised with him and discussed the way she behaved, that it was rude, inappropriate, etc, but asking not to meet her alone sounds a big jump to me.

KrisAkabusi · 03/12/2024 18:25

I think that if you're in a relationship, it's a good idea not to put yourself in situations where you might cheat.

Sorry what? I can put myself where i want. There are no situations where I might cheat.

Bachboo · 03/12/2024 16:50

Snoken · 03/12/2024 16:16

@GoldsolesLugs Well then it's a done deal I guess. She said he's not allowed to see his friend unless she is there, he saw his friend anyway meaning the relationship is doomed.

It is unreasonable to say to someone they can't see their friend on their own so I don't blame him for doing it anyway but it's crossing a line for OP meaning none of them can be happy if they are going to be together. Giving up a friendship that you value is too much of a compromise for most people surely.

OP do not listen to this “advice”

Calliopespa · 03/12/2024 16:37

Snoken · 03/12/2024 16:22

Bringing your partner every time you want to see your friend is definitely not a sign of functional social individuals. Being able to spend time alone with your friends is very healthy in any relationship. The same way it's healthy to spend time on your own sometimes with your kids or other family. I would have hated to bring my husband every time I went to see a friend.

Yes of course. But in this instance op wanted to go. Surely if your husband would like to be included you would?

There are plenty of times I wouldn’t want go with my DH, and vice versa; but if I’d said can I be included I’d be thrown if he did it behind my back.

I think people are being a bit unfair to op acting as if she traipses along everywhere with him. The partner went on holiday with this woman before op witnessed the dynamic which she felt was off.

My point really was why , since she’d explained she’d like to attend, could he not have included her and ensured op was treated normally? There’s only really one or two answers to that - one of which is he didn’t care to, the other is he knows the other woman won’t or can’t act normally.

Pulling the “ have some space” argument isn’t totally fair in this situation.

NiftyKoala · 03/12/2024 16:26

OP I have two male friends. We do lunches a movie but what we don't do is flirt. That she is flirty and he let's her is not a good sign.

Snoken · 03/12/2024 16:22

Calliopespa · 03/12/2024 16:18

Very few people would need to give up a friendship; most would be ok to just bring their partner and make them feel decently included like functioning social individuals.

Bringing your partner every time you want to see your friend is definitely not a sign of functional social individuals. Being able to spend time alone with your friends is very healthy in any relationship. The same way it's healthy to spend time on your own sometimes with your kids or other family. I would have hated to bring my husband every time I went to see a friend.

Calliopespa · 03/12/2024 16:20

Bachboo · 03/12/2024 15:49

The friend is flirting with her partner infront of her! No one would be okay with this and you wouldn’t either if it was happening to you

Well we can’t be completely sure … some people probably do get off on that kind of thing.

But I wouldn’t, and clearly you don’t, and so OP is not alone in the fact that she obviously doesn’t either.

Calliopespa · 03/12/2024 16:18

Snoken · 03/12/2024 16:03

Nobody is saying she can't express that she is uncomfortable but she can't decide that he is not allowed to see his friend when and how he wants to. It's his life that she is trying to dictate. He shouldn't have said OK to that and then met up with his friend anyway, but very few people would be OK to give up friendships that they value just like that.

Very few people would need to give up a friendship; most would be ok to just bring their partner and make them feel decently included like functioning social individuals.

Snoken · 03/12/2024 16:16

@GoldsolesLugs Well then it's a done deal I guess. She said he's not allowed to see his friend unless she is there, he saw his friend anyway meaning the relationship is doomed.

It is unreasonable to say to someone they can't see their friend on their own so I don't blame him for doing it anyway but it's crossing a line for OP meaning none of them can be happy if they are going to be together. Giving up a friendship that you value is too much of a compromise for most people surely.

Bachboo · 03/12/2024 16:16

GoldsolesLugs · 03/12/2024 16:11

You are obviously worried that he will have sex with this other woman. You say you trust him, so I guess you are worried that she will make a move on him and he will be tempted and make a mistake. I think you need to talk to him about your fears, although this will be difficult. If you can't agree that she flirts with him in front of you then I think you're in trouble.

Also, don't listen to this bollocks from PP about boundaries being controlling. Being in a relationship involves compromise. Compromising with someone is essentially consenting to being "controlled" in some area. A boundary is just stating what is acceptable to you in the relationship. The only real means you have of enforcing it is to leave. So you're basically saying "if you keep seeing this woman I will leave". No problem with that. If your partner thinks that your boundaries are unreasonable then he can leave. Again, no problem with that. Nobody is "dictating" anything to anyone.

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