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Autumntrees1234 · 03/12/2024 00:23

So DH lost his job about a year ago and despite loads of applications hasn't got anything yet. He has been using savings to pay his share of our expenses but his savings have run out. Today ( refused to talk to me about it before) he talked to me about this and asked if I will pay for everything, rent and bills, from January whilst he tries to get work. I'm not keen at all, possibly can manage it but it will be a stretch. But what really irritated me was he asked me about some money I have in a ninety day notice account and to organise moving it because it will come in useful. I just looked at him in complete disbelief. It's savings that I have worked really hard for and I'm absolutely not using it. It's almost like an instinctive thing, first of all I think of it as my money where as DH refers to all money as "our money." Secondly I can't remember the concept of "our money" applying when he was earning tonnes. We have always had separate accounts. It was just the presumption in his voice that really triggered me. I may consider lending him some money on the understanding I get it back ( he won't be keen) but he just seems to think I'm happily going to fund our entire lifestyle without a murmur of protest. Am I being unreasonable to want to keep my savings to myself?

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TiramisuThief · 03/12/2024 19:42

daleylama · 03/12/2024 19:02

Kudos to this poster, she's a perfect example to put to your chap.

I thought the same. That's exactly how to deal with a sudden job loss.

Ops partner has not dealt with his unemployment with anything like the same urgency.

housethatbuiltme · 03/12/2024 19:08

Enough4me · 03/12/2024 16:21

@housethatbuiltme that's ideologically great, but you're married. It comes with financial ties. If you divorce and assets are divided you're financial assets & debts are assessed. As OP said she was and then wasn't married (?) who knows for her!
If unmarried and he goes into debt it's not part of a marriage, and if they go their separate ways, they're not financially tied by marriage. Originally she said she was married.
The financial separation of a married couple is far more expensive and time consuming than the divorce paperwork. My divorce only cost about £400 years ago, but I'd feel sad if I think about the money lost of financial separation part, (so I try to forget about it and ours was fairly straightforward).
When advising people that their advice is wrong, RTFT.

My DH debts which effect me in no way will have no bearing on me divorced or not. I am not going to be ordered by a judge to pay off his student loans, his car repayments or his credit cards that I am not named on and have no access too etc...

Even when married you have separate debts.

daleylama · 03/12/2024 19:02

Meadowfinch · 03/12/2024 11:22

OP, all joking aside, he can find a job if he wants to.

I'm a single mum. I was managed out of my job in August, aged 61. I have a son to feed and a mortgage to pay. No handy partner to pick up the bills. No family. No-one coming to my rescue.

Previously with a salary of £55k, I applied for everything in my sector on £24k upwards. I also signed up with two agencies. It took me eight weeks to find a new job. It's amazing what imminent loss of home and son's school can do for motivation.

You need to have a really blunt conversation. Tell him to get off his arse, find someone in marketing to assess and reformat his CV and his covering letters, and broaden his search. Ask the job centre for an interview mentor.

And introduce him to the hoover and the loo brush. He's not contributing anything to your joint life and needs to understand how that will end..

Kudos to this poster, she's a perfect example to put to your chap.

Helpingifican · 03/12/2024 16:22

Also, I'd hate the idea of sitting down together & working out who is paying for what & who is owed something on a particular month, especially if children are involved. If it works for you that's a choice. It's wrong to say its terrible advice for all married couples to equally share their finances & fiancial responsibilities if they are both happy with this lifestyle.

Enough4me · 03/12/2024 16:21

@housethatbuiltme that's ideologically great, but you're married. It comes with financial ties. If you divorce and assets are divided you're financial assets & debts are assessed. As OP said she was and then wasn't married (?) who knows for her!
If unmarried and he goes into debt it's not part of a marriage, and if they go their separate ways, they're not financially tied by marriage. Originally she said she was married.
The financial separation of a married couple is far more expensive and time consuming than the divorce paperwork. My divorce only cost about £400 years ago, but I'd feel sad if I think about the money lost of financial separation part, (so I try to forget about it and ours was fairly straightforward).
When advising people that their advice is wrong, RTFT.

Helpingifican · 03/12/2024 15:56

housethatbuiltme · 03/12/2024 12:20

Nope... thats how financial abuse happens and is terrible advice.

Each half of a marriage should have their own savings, in fact the partner doesn't even have a right to know about it. Do you know how many people can't flee abuse because their savings are drained by their partner?

My DH debt is not really my business, I have never had any debt in my life but he has car payments, student loan repayments, credit card payment... all under his name and all his problem.

Thats ok if it works for you. Everyone has their own views regarding financial situations in marriage. My DH has always been the bigger earner. We have a joint account & any other savings accounts etc belong to us both equally.He wouldn't have it any other way & it's one of the things I admire about him. I'd do the same if I was the bigger earner.

SalsaLights · 03/12/2024 14:22

LondonPapa · 03/12/2024 12:44

He has been contributing and now he is broke. He has actively tried to find work, he hasn't been successful so now you are punishing him further by not supporting him in the short-term.

If I were your other half, I'd be considering my options as to sustain my share with savings until I'm broke while searching for work and then not being given a temporary lifeline from the woman I thought I'd be with until die (married or not), through thick and thin, is quite the shock.

He's been out of work for a year - that's not short term.

He's also being a bit choosy about his job applications, which he cannot afford to do given how long he's been out of work. Do you think it's reasonable to be picky about what he applies for when he's been unemployed for 12 months?

If you were OP's partner would you also be sitting on your backside not doing any housework? And demanding she hand over her life savings when you have previously never shared your finances?

Locutus2000 · 03/12/2024 14:12

Autumntrees1234 · 03/12/2024 00:32

By accident really but I can't edit my OP.

MNHQ can if you contact them.

Dimpliy · 03/12/2024 13:44

LondonPapa · 03/12/2024 12:44

He has been contributing and now he is broke. He has actively tried to find work, he hasn't been successful so now you are punishing him further by not supporting him in the short-term.

If I were your other half, I'd be considering my options as to sustain my share with savings until I'm broke while searching for work and then not being given a temporary lifeline from the woman I thought I'd be with until die (married or not), through thick and thin, is quite the shock.

How is a year 'short term'? He can get work, he can't afford to be choosy.

Whoowhoopitstbesoundofthedapolice · 03/12/2024 13:23

I don't think he's entitled to your savings married or not. It might sound shitty but let's face it. You'd be fucked if you used your savings as would he if roles were reversed.

Tell him to shape up or fuck right off. He's not above any job that's out there and he needs to get out of that mindset.. he's had a year dossing at home doing sweet fuck all - time to grow up and pick up the responsibilities hat again. If he doesn't, be glad you haven't married him .. easier to get him to fuck!

holrosea · 03/12/2024 13:23

LondonPapa · 03/12/2024 12:44

He has been contributing and now he is broke. He has actively tried to find work, he hasn't been successful so now you are punishing him further by not supporting him in the short-term.

If I were your other half, I'd be considering my options as to sustain my share with savings until I'm broke while searching for work and then not being given a temporary lifeline from the woman I thought I'd be with until die (married or not), through thick and thin, is quite the shock.

Well this quite hysterical.

He has been paying his half (as all adults should) out of his savings and has refused to talk about it until he ran out. that does not scream partnership or life planning at all. His money was always his own while earning, and he is not contributing any time/effort on the domestic front. That doesn't screa; lifeti;e and partnership either.

OP protecting her own savings for her own rainy day is not punishment of her partner, it is common sense. The fact that he no longer has savings is the logical, predictable and inevitable result of him not working for an entire year.

OP has also been providing a lifeline already in paying more of the bills/food/petrol/rent increase, not to mention being the live-in maid. She is not responsible for the professional or financial choices of another adult, all she has to do is decide if she can live with them. Or not - which would be my vote.

C8H10N4O2 · 03/12/2024 13:06

LondonPapa · 03/12/2024 12:44

He has been contributing and now he is broke. He has actively tried to find work, he hasn't been successful so now you are punishing him further by not supporting him in the short-term.

If I were your other half, I'd be considering my options as to sustain my share with savings until I'm broke while searching for work and then not being given a temporary lifeline from the woman I thought I'd be with until die (married or not), through thick and thin, is quite the shock.

He has been out of work for over a year.

He is being picky about jobs.

He does sod all on the domestic front, expecting the OP to hold down full time work, all the domestic work and now a second job on top.
He has had a lifeline for over a year.

When both were working he kept his own savings and income despite the OP doing all the household tasks.
He is not even pretending to be in a team here so he doesn't deserve to be treated as part of a team.

Its the busiest time of the retail, hospitality and logistics year. He needs to lower his sights, get off his backside and get some temporary work instead of being picky. At the very least he could do the housework (which is presumably also beneath him).

viques · 03/12/2024 12:53

@LondonPapa So what excuse can you give him for not pulling his weight on the domestic front while the OP is working fulltime. And do you think he was right to suggest she got a second job to keep him as King Slob?

LondonPapa · 03/12/2024 12:44

Autumntrees1234 · 03/12/2024 00:27

Thank you for your reply. We aren't married and I think he needs to contribute.

He has been contributing and now he is broke. He has actively tried to find work, he hasn't been successful so now you are punishing him further by not supporting him in the short-term.

If I were your other half, I'd be considering my options as to sustain my share with savings until I'm broke while searching for work and then not being given a temporary lifeline from the woman I thought I'd be with until die (married or not), through thick and thin, is quite the shock.

LookItsMeAgain · 03/12/2024 12:41

Autumntrees1234 · 03/12/2024 06:23

In relation to people who have asked about what he has been doing for a year, he has been applying for lots of jobs, he has had quite a lot of interviews but has always missed out. I don't think he ever expected to be in this situation and time has just rolled on.

Well it's coming up to Christmas and lots of shops are looking for staff over the festive period. Same with pubs.
He needs to get a job so he gets one. Anything that means that he gets paid over the coming weeks.
It may not be his chosen career but it does mean money is coming in.

Don't move any savings to current accounts. If you're not married to him and there are no kids involved, you could kick him out and he'd have to go to the council to be housed.

MrsCarson · 03/12/2024 12:39

He needs to take anything at this point, temp agency work or whatever. He's got a nice big gap in his CV now and it won't look good.
We'd all love to only take jobs we love or our dream job but have bills to pay and like to eat regularly.
He's turning into a cocklodger now.

Therealjudgejudy · 03/12/2024 12:30

No wonder you feel resentful op.

Id leave the lazy sponger. Hes taking you for a mug.

CautiousLurker1 · 03/12/2024 12:20

wombat15 · 03/12/2024 09:12

He can't claim universal credit if living with a partner.

Yes he can - they make a joint claim and her income is factored into it. Depending on how much OP earns it is worth speaking to CA to get an assessment as to whether they are eligible.

housethatbuiltme · 03/12/2024 12:20

Enough4me · 03/12/2024 00:25

In marriage the finances need to be shared to a degree. Do you want him to go into debt? Would you consider leaving him?

Nope... thats how financial abuse happens and is terrible advice.

Each half of a marriage should have their own savings, in fact the partner doesn't even have a right to know about it. Do you know how many people can't flee abuse because their savings are drained by their partner?

My DH debt is not really my business, I have never had any debt in my life but he has car payments, student loan repayments, credit card payment... all under his name and all his problem.

Mrsredlipstick · 03/12/2024 12:18

If your partner was unwell or disabled it could be harder to get a new job.i have two friends that have been home for a year. Both normally earn £120k. Those jobs are very sort after. They are both marketeers. However when I have been between contracts I have worked in warehouses and I'm a big cheese. I prefer to be contributing and it's good for your mental health.
Sorry but if you're not married spending your savings keeping your boyfriend is very unwise. He could leave when your genorousity runs out.

Haveyouseenthischicken · 03/12/2024 12:12

This man is such an ick. I’ll never understand women who let men treat them like a 1950s housewife.

If I came home and the dishes were still in the sink I’d throw an absolute fit if my husband had been sat on his arse all day ‘applying for jobs’. I’ve been out of work before for 3 months. It’s rubbish and I sympathise, but it doesn’t take 8 hours a day to apply for jobs. What is he doing in the downtime he has? Surely once you write a great generic cover letter, the only thing to do is send it out to various companies.

In this time he could have got any job to bring money in. The fact he’s expecting you to use your savings to support him is crazy and you’re crazy to even consider it. Do not marry this man.

HollyKnight · 03/12/2024 12:11

Dimpliy · 03/12/2024 11:52

Why are you ignoring that OP pays all the bills, food etc? The point is they are paying 50/50.

Does only rent matter? Who do you think pays the bills and food, the tooth fairy?

Edited

Eh? I didn't say they weren't paying 50/50 now. I said it wasn't 50/50 before he lost his job which she was fine about. It was "proportional" then, but it wasn't "proportional" after he lost his job as he was still paying despite not having an income. So maybe when he gets a job again they'll keep it 50/50. She can pay half the rent and half the bills rather than a third less. Fairs fair.

stayathomer · 03/12/2024 11:53

See if he was previously all ‘my money’ I can get why you’d be pissed off but saying that if you’re both all in in terms of the relationship then you’re all in. I’d tell him if he was a bit of a shit before over sharing money

Dimpliy · 03/12/2024 11:52

HollyKnight · 03/12/2024 11:41

Try again. 'fifty fifty proportionally' was when he was the higher earner and it wasn't 50/50. He was paying a third more and all the holidays. Since he lost his job he has continued to pay the rent except for the small increase.

Why are you ignoring that OP pays all the bills, food etc? The point is they are paying 50/50.

Does only rent matter? Who do you think pays the bills and food, the tooth fairy?

HollyKnight · 03/12/2024 11:41

Dimpliy · 03/12/2024 11:17

Why are you misrepresenting what OP said?

He ran through his savings paying HALF the rent. OP says they paid 'fifty fifty proportionally' and that actually she has been paying for more since he lost his job.

And when he was the higher earner he was paying a third more to the expenses. But that's not what he's asking OP to do here. He wants her to pay for EVERYTHING whilst he sits on his arse at home doing no housework.

Edited

Try again. 'fifty fifty proportionally' was when he was the higher earner and it wasn't 50/50. He was paying a third more and all the holidays. Since he lost his job he has continued to pay the rent except for the small increase.