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Biden has pardoned his son because his conviction was a "miscarriage of justice".

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Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:14

Is this the total end of standards and even a pretence at integrity in public life? This is a president, who admittedly like all the others, allowed innocent people to be executed in their joke of a justice system. What a hypocrite.

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BellissimoGecko · 02/12/2024 10:30

KillerTomato7 · 02/12/2024 03:49

He probably saw no choice, given that the incoming president has pledged to use the Justice Department to target his political opponents, and to purge the Department of civil servants so that his supporters can take their place.

if it makes you feel better, Trump has also pledged to pardon many of his supporters who physically stormed the Capitol in January 2021, in an attempt to prevent the handover of power. But his first move, of course, will be to end the active investigations into his own conduct during his first presidency.

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This. Crazy.

Instead of banning people with a conviction for standing for President, they are allowed to run then allowed to delete their own crimes. Wtf?

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 10:03

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 09:57

The pardon only covers the period between 2014-2024.

Doesn’t it cover convictions rather than a period of time?

Am sure anyone with initiative can find a way round the small print. Grin

In his shoes, I'd be fleeing to Canada.

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 09:57

The pardon only covers the period between 2014-2024.

Doesn’t it cover convictions rather than a period of time?

Lovemybunnies · 02/12/2024 09:56

He lost one son. I think he wants to protect the other from Trump and whilst I don’t think it was the right thing to do I don’t blame him. I wonder if parental guilt plays a part.

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 09:55

Curious to know where those who ‘would do it too’ would draw the line? Extortion? Burglary? Paedophilia? Murder? At what point, if any, would you think your son deserved his prison sentence and should stay there?

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 09:54

Voting for a republican candidate that wasn't Trump honestly wouldn't have been an issue. That so many condone his actions, which aren't in doubt, and were on board knowing what he was going to do, is what makes it so unbelievable. Voting for a rapist? And being ok with it. Gross
It makes me laugh when people insist that it wasn't because she is a woman. 100% the case that internalised misogyny played a massive role. That's the psychology of internalised misogyny dumbarses. It's subconscious

I wouldn’t have voted for Harris because I thought she was an appalling public speaker and was far too woke for me. I’m definitely pro female leaders though, left wing too, just not too woke left. Not sure I’d have voted for Trump just to get less wokeness. My friends back in the US, some of whom voted for Trump, definitely don’t like him, but the economic policies of the republicans suit them so they would have voted republican regardless. They’d like to see a female republican president so nothing to do with not voting for women and it’s a lazy argument.

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 09:53

I think Biden Jr will wind up clapped in irons regardless unless he leaves the United States.

The pardon only covers the period between 2014-2024. Incoming will be digging for dirt on his exploits prior to 2014.

And if they can’t find anything, Trump can always set a precedent for being the first elected president to reverse a pardon made by his predecessor. That should warm the cold, dead hearts of his MAGAs.

FrostyTheSnowHuman · 02/12/2024 09:50

“I would do it too” - maybe, but we hold the leader of the free world to a different standard than Sarah from Stoke-on-Trent. What you would do is irrelevant unless you’re in the running for the next presidency.

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 09:44

Beekeepingmum · 02/12/2024 09:42

I don't think it really matters how bad Trump is in this case - Biden is wrong to pardon his son. This is abuse of power.

This

InterIgnis · 02/12/2024 09:44

Workhardcryharder · 02/12/2024 04:25

I think it’s disingenuous to claim we all wouldn’t do the same thing. Especially given the fact that trump is about to be president

Laughs in Stalin

FrostyTheSnowHuman · 02/12/2024 09:43

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 09:38

In terms of the felony charge - this was for covering up payments made. A felony because he did it more than once (as a repeated payment). The equivalent in the UK might be a leading politician hiding thousands of pounds worths of personal donations, for example by calling them ‘office expenses’, and doing so more than once. Certain behaviour we should all condemn in our political leaders.

Of course. Almost everything about the way Trump has behaved both in and out of office is to be condemned. And I imagine his criminal behaviour extends far beyond the stuff that’s come to light.

Beekeepingmum · 02/12/2024 09:42

I don't think it really matters how bad Trump is in this case - Biden is wrong to pardon his son. This is abuse of power.

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 09:42

FrostyTheSnowHuman · 02/12/2024 09:32

This was a lot of words to say: no-one cares about integrity when it’s their own side displaying a lack of it.

This thread being proof.

Yes, that does seem to be the case.

I can see that Biden would do this because it is his son and I understand the parent child bond and love, although I don’t agree with him doing it. However, I can’t understand others defending him for doing it when he’s a stranger to them. The democrats talk of fairness and justice, yet will defend Biden using ‘Trump is worse, as their argument. It’s not logical. Yes, Trump is terrible, but that’s irrelevant in this matter. This is a separate matter and Biden has behaved badly and shouldn’t be excused because Trump is so bad.

CJsGoldfish · 02/12/2024 09:41

I love how people are trying to justify Crooked Biden doing this by saying the other side is just a s bad or worse
'Crooked Biden' 🤣
Straight from the orange bellend's X to Mumsnet

Don't blame Biden at all. There is no question that the vile, insane orange criminal would have gone HARD at him (and will on everyone he can) for purely malicious reasons. Absolutely the right thing to do for him to do. I hope he pardons as many people as he can at this stage 🤷‍♀️

Her not being a felon or rapist didn’t mean she had policies that people wanted. I think people voted for the republicans because they didn’t want Harris, I think they’d have voted for the republicans even if it wasn’t Trump
Voting for a republican candidate that wasn't Trump honestly wouldn't have been an issue. That so many condone his actions, which aren't in doubt, and were on board knowing what he was going to do, is what makes it so unbelievable. Voting for a rapist? And being ok with it. Gross
It makes me laugh when people insist that it wasn't because she is a woman. 100% the case that internalised misogyny played a massive role. That's the psychology of internalised misogyny dumbarses. It's subconscious 🙄

TankFlyBossW4lk · 02/12/2024 09:40

@TheTidyBear

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 09:39

FrostyTheSnowHuman · 02/12/2024 09:37

It’s the system first and foremost, but a decent President would not exploit it.

Has there ever been a decent President? I don’t know, but it certainly isn’t either of these two.

I’d like to see and end to doddery old men well past retirement age being able to run for president.

That would have spared the world either of these two.

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 09:38

In terms of the felony charge - this was for covering up payments made. A felony because he did it more than once (as a repeated payment). The equivalent in the UK might be a leading politician hiding thousands of pounds worths of personal donations, for example by calling them ‘office expenses’, and doing so more than once. Certain behaviour we should all condemn in our political leaders.

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 09:37

timenowplease · 02/12/2024 09:35

Trump Derangement Syndrome in full effect.

Didn’t realise there was actually a technical term for people who don’t like rapists serving as presidents. 😀

FrostyTheSnowHuman · 02/12/2024 09:37

neverthmore · 02/12/2024 09:35

Why are people saying ' Well Trump did?'

The US has a system which allows Presidents to subvert justice. Of course Presidents use it to subvert justice.

The problem is the system, not the individual President.

It’s the system first and foremost, but a decent President would not exploit it.

Has there ever been a decent President? I don’t know, but it certainly isn’t either of these two.

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 09:35

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 09:33

I was obviously talking about those who did defend Starmer and couldn’t have a bad word said about him as an example of people not being able to admit when the goodie does a bad thing,

It was strange then to pick out my post to respond to then, surely?

timenowplease · 02/12/2024 09:35

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 09:29

By your metric Biden should commit a few rapes and felonies too whilst he has the chance

Nah. Trump’s got that angle covered.

Trump Derangement Syndrome in full effect.

neverthmore · 02/12/2024 09:35

Why are people saying ' Well Trump did?'

The US has a system which allows Presidents to subvert justice. Of course Presidents use it to subvert justice.

The problem is the system, not the individual President.

Blueskieslookingatme · 02/12/2024 09:34

Oriunda · 02/12/2024 04:04

Tbh I don’t blame him. Biden knows full well that Trump is going to wreak havoc and fill every position of power with his acolytes. I’d hate to have a child in prison who would be at the mercy of the vengeful orange one. Trump has pardoned all sorts of criminals; at this point there really is no point in playing the nice guy and turning the other cheek.

Totally agree with this.
Dubious action or not, Hunter is Biden's only remaining child from his marriage to Neilia who met a tragic end with their one year old daughter.
Biden is very old, will presumably retire from politics after his presidency ends and will want to enjoy his retirement with all his family round him.
He can't fight Trump any more and he doesn't want to leave his son in the lions' den. I don't blame Biden at all for using what power he has left to save one of his nearest and dearest.
What is anyone going to do about it now?

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 09:33

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 09:19

I don’t believe in Biden (or Starmer) on the whole so why would I say it? Confused

I was responding to a post which explicitly asked what could be worse than what Biden is doing. A LOT could be worse than what Biden is doing and I gave some examples.

If BIDEN suddenly decides to spend the last days of his presidency freeing thr convicted Capitol Hill rioters, committing a few felons and the odd rape, THAT too would be infinitely worse than pardoning his good-for-nothing son. America has already got one incoming president who cleans up on that front though.

I was obviously talking about those who did defend Starmer and couldn’t have a bad word said about him as an example of people not being able to admit when the goodie does a bad thing,

TankFlyBossW4lk · 02/12/2024 09:32

@TheTidyBear
No, most men wouldn't sleep with children, stop conflating "younger women" with children. Most men are not rapists.

Also, just because you don't like my point that once you allow one Leader to be a law breaker the others have no necessity to follow any rules, doesn't make it a poor argument. It's the truth. I know that might seem unfashionable to you.