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Biden has pardoned his son because his conviction was a "miscarriage of justice".

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Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:14

Is this the total end of standards and even a pretence at integrity in public life? This is a president, who admittedly like all the others, allowed innocent people to be executed in their joke of a justice system. What a hypocrite.

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Nottodaythankyou123 · 02/12/2024 07:33

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:29

If you can't beat them join them huh.

Guess you empathise with tax dodgers too. Who wouldn't eh.

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Yep! Trump is a convicted criminal, a proven rapist who staged an insurrection when he lost the last election and has made no secret of his desire to use his office to come after his political opponents. Honestly on paper I’m absolutely fundamentally opposed to what Biden has done but the Dems have played fair, played by the rules and what have the got to show for it? Trump re-elected. The whole thing is bonkers.

BettyBardMacDonald · 02/12/2024 07:32

Agree, @DowntonFlabbie

The American people chose corruption, self-dealing and vulgarity. So Biden might as well save his family. Trump certainly did.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 02/12/2024 07:32

notgettinganyyounger · 02/12/2024 04:39

Tbh I would have done the same. Biden is old and may not be around for much longer. I would like to die surrounded by my family, not with one offspring in prison.

Most of us would do the same, I believe.

Is Biden - the current president of the United States - “most of us”? No. But I find his actions understandable.

And considering who Trump has pardoned and will most likely pardon during his second term? I just can’t find it in me to get truly upset about this. But I might not feel this was if I was an American citizen.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:30

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 02/12/2024 07:29

in his mind (probably): the American voter has made it very clear that they do not care for integrity or the rule of law.

so why shouldn’t he pardon his son? Which is completely legal and his right as president.

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Why shouldn't I use an offshore bank account to avoid tax?

betterangels · 02/12/2024 07:29

Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:32

But this is his own son. Biden previously claimed he would not intervene in the juystice system on his son's behalf, or grant him clemency, bht has just gone back on all that. its like the last gasp of a feeble ruler who has lost all sense of wider issues.

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Trump should be in prison for his convictions not president. But here we are. That all went away.

I don't blame Biden one bit. He's finally doing what Trump would have done without blinking. I don't understand why he's held to a higher standard.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 02/12/2024 07:29

Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:32

But this is his own son. Biden previously claimed he would not intervene in the juystice system on his son's behalf, or grant him clemency, bht has just gone back on all that. its like the last gasp of a feeble ruler who has lost all sense of wider issues.

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in his mind (probably): the American voter has made it very clear that they do not care for integrity or the rule of law.

so why shouldn’t he pardon his son? Which is completely legal and his right as president.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:29

Nottodaythankyou123 · 02/12/2024 07:25

There doesn’t seem any point in playing by the rules anymore. Trump has made no secret of the fact he doesn’t feel he has to.

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If you can't beat them join them huh.

Guess you empathise with tax dodgers too. Who wouldn't eh.

DanielaDressen · 02/12/2024 07:27

Oriunda · 02/12/2024 04:04

Tbh I don’t blame him. Biden knows full well that Trump is going to wreak havoc and fill every position of power with his acolytes. I’d hate to have a child in prison who would be at the mercy of the vengeful orange one. Trump has pardoned all sorts of criminals; at this point there really is no point in playing the nice guy and turning the other cheek.

This. I do get Biden's statement that he thinks Hunter has been excessively prosecuted over this due to who his dad is. If that's true then I get why he's done this and don't blame him. Had Hunter being sentenced yet (don't think so), Biden is maybe worried about a crazy, long sentence. Does anyone know if other people who have filled out a gun form incorrectly are generally prosecuted like this?

I'm more worried that Trump is going to pardon the Jan 6th rioters - that's more of an issue.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 02/12/2024 07:25

WooleyMunky · 02/12/2024 04:12

They have just elected a rapist.
Supported by a billionaire ketamine addict.
What do you expect?

It's almost beyond parody. America has to be seen to be believed at this point.

Nottodaythankyou123 · 02/12/2024 07:25

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:16

Fighting corruption with corruption 😂

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There doesn’t seem any point in playing by the rules anymore. Trump has made no secret of the fact he doesn’t feel he has to.

Nottodaythankyou123 · 02/12/2024 07:24

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:18

What do you mean what it's going to become?

The current president just pardoned a criminal because he's his son, how much worse can it get than that? 😂

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Well the next president is a criminal, so I’d say much much worse.

DarkAndTwisties · 02/12/2024 07:23

This is a genuine question, because I really don't know. But how often do judges throw out plea deals agree by both sides? That's what happened here isn't it - there was an agreed plea deal but a Trump appointed judge said no to it?

I don't think he should have pardoned him, if nothing else it just brings more attention onto him (the son). But if it basically never happens that judges ignore plea deals that the prosecution have already agreed to (and as I say, I don't know), then I can see why he'd be annoyed and think that he was just righting that previous wrong. If judges overrule them all the time then that's a different situation.

I am sure though that in Trump and the republican's criticism of this move, their previous assertions around him having such bad dementia he basically didn't know where he was or what he was doing will disappear. Can't have it both ways.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:23

Gettingbysomehow · 02/12/2024 07:20

It stinks but which one of us wouldnt do the same for or child if we could.

So you'd stoop to corruption for your criminal children?

Nottodaythankyou123 · 02/12/2024 07:23

Ytcsghisn · 02/12/2024 07:00

Imagine if Trump had done this.

Cue ‘yeah but, no but…..’

Oh they never learn. Even after getting a pasting, they never learn.

He did - he pardoned 237 people including members of his own family. I’d be interested to see what he does regarding his own criminal convictions once he becomes president.

Annabella92 · 02/12/2024 07:23

Happyinarcon · 02/12/2024 03:46

This is an interesting move, the public is now going to want to know exactly what his son got up to whereas previously it flew under the radar.

It didn't fly under the radar, it was actively censored and suppressed by social and legacy media

DowntonFlabbie · 02/12/2024 07:21

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:18

What do you mean what it's going to become?

The current president just pardoned a criminal because he's his son, how much worse can it get than that? 😂

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Much much worse, obviously

Ytcsghisn · 02/12/2024 07:20

BettyBardMacDonald · 02/12/2024 07:17

This.

I fear for what America is going to become next year.

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‘Won’t someone think of the children’

One more time. In a really high pitched voice.

DowntonFlabbie · 02/12/2024 07:20

Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:32

But this is his own son. Biden previously claimed he would not intervene in the juystice system on his son's behalf, or grant him clemency, bht has just gone back on all that. its like the last gasp of a feeble ruler who has lost all sense of wider issues.

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Yes but then the American people picked trump as his successor. If I were him I'd decide I owed them nothing, they deserved nothing, and I may as well do something to help my own, as nothing matters anyway anymore

Gettingbysomehow · 02/12/2024 07:20

It stinks but which one of us wouldnt do the same for or child if we could.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:18

BettyBardMacDonald · 02/12/2024 07:17

This.

I fear for what America is going to become next year.

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What do you mean what it's going to become?

The current president just pardoned a criminal because he's his son, how much worse can it get than that? 😂

BettyBardMacDonald · 02/12/2024 07:17

KillerTomato7 · 02/12/2024 03:49

He probably saw no choice, given that the incoming president has pledged to use the Justice Department to target his political opponents, and to purge the Department of civil servants so that his supporters can take their place.

if it makes you feel better, Trump has also pledged to pardon many of his supporters who physically stormed the Capitol in January 2021, in an attempt to prevent the handover of power. But his first move, of course, will be to end the active investigations into his own conduct during his first presidency.

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This.

I fear for what America is going to become next year.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:16

FrostyTheSnowHuman · 02/12/2024 07:10

I am “on the left” but I find the hypocrisy sickening too.

How can he trust his son will be safe in prison when someone as blatantly corrupt as Trump is in power? He clearly has no other option but to carry out an act of blatant corruption himself! But but but it’s okay because he’s a goodie and Trump’s a baddie.

Phew. Justice prevails.

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Fighting corruption with corruption 😂

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:13

jannier · 02/12/2024 07:10

Or possibly a wtf they just voted in a convicted fellon to lead us I might as well save my son as they don't care.

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Or possibly, I'll throw my son to the wolves if I get elected but if I don't then, screw you and your criminal justice system.

jannier · 02/12/2024 07:10

Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:32

But this is his own son. Biden previously claimed he would not intervene in the juystice system on his son's behalf, or grant him clemency, bht has just gone back on all that. its like the last gasp of a feeble ruler who has lost all sense of wider issues.

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Or possibly a wtf they just voted in a convicted fellon to lead us I might as well save my son as they don't care.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:10

Lifestooshort71 · 02/12/2024 07:07

So, if you've ever changed your mind, does that make you a liar?

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This isn't suddenly deciding you want tea instead of coffee, it's someone who's decisions affect billions of people. Its the most powerful man on the planet demonstrating that the criminal justice system doesn't apply to his family.

Unreal that you're even asking this question.