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Biden has pardoned his son because his conviction was a "miscarriage of justice".

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Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:14

Is this the total end of standards and even a pretence at integrity in public life? This is a president, who admittedly like all the others, allowed innocent people to be executed in their joke of a justice system. What a hypocrite.

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Lovelysummerdays · 02/12/2024 08:05

Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:32

But this is his own son. Biden previously claimed he would not intervene in the juystice system on his son's behalf, or grant him clemency, bht has just gone back on all that. its like the last gasp of a feeble ruler who has lost all sense of wider issues.

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I think we have all made questionable decisions regarding our own children. I’d struggle to judge someone for wanting to help their child tbh.

BackOnTheAntibiotics · 02/12/2024 08:05

MaggieBsBoat · 02/12/2024 05:45

He’s a very old man who wants to do the last thing he actively can to help his son. In a few weeks he’ll have no chance to. Most of us would do the same. I’m not a fan of Biden but come on, it’s what any sane person would do to help their family - in a system where the actual president is a sex offender and fraudster and the government made of billionaires and fascists. The US is a cautionary tale nothing more.

No. I would absolutely NOT do the same.

Onand · 02/12/2024 08:04

Wait until Trump starts pardoning….they won’t be able to keep up.

America may be seen as a great leader of the free world but their politics and ‘ways’ leave a lot to be desired.

MrsPeregrine · 02/12/2024 08:04

notgettinganyyounger · 02/12/2024 04:39

Tbh I would have done the same. Biden is old and may not be around for much longer. I would like to die surrounded by my family, not with one offspring in prison.

So that makes it ok?

MrsPeregrine · 02/12/2024 08:02

Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:14

Is this the total end of standards and even a pretence at integrity in public life? This is a president, who admittedly like all the others, allowed innocent people to be executed in their joke of a justice system. What a hypocrite.

And yet he waited until he lost the election to issue the pardon. I wonder why? Imagine the difference in coverage from the likes of the BBC if this was Trump…

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 08:01

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 07:57

This is mumsnet, it’s mainly female posters, it’s no surprise that many are not big fans looking at his past treatment of women for a start.

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The same female posters who are defending the most powerful man in the World using his position for his own personal gain?

Hope nobody complains when they don't get a promotion because their boss was just doing what was normal by promoting someone they had a personal interest in. That would be other men mostly.

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 08:01

Nottodaythankyou123 · 02/12/2024 07:55

I’m just not sure it’s a risk I’d be willing to take. Trump has shown himself in the past to be petty and vindictive, Hunter Biden is an easy win for him.
As a PP said far more eloquently than me, the majority of the American electorate just voted against morality, ethics and the rule of law. They can’t be upset when someone else behaves the same. (And as above, in a normal situation I’d disagree with what Biden has done, but honestly I just can’t get upset about it in these circumstances).

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They didn’t though, they voted for economic policies that they feel are better and against wokeness. Nothing much will change in terms of ethics and law once his term starts.

GreenSedan · 02/12/2024 07:59

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 07:55

Do you live in the UK? If so, our lot are all self serving arseholes too. If not, do you live somewhere with better leaders? Can’t think of many, or any.

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The UK and the US have very different political systems and cultures. Lots to criticise here, but nowhere near the same.

VacuumPacked · 02/12/2024 07:59

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GridlockonMain · 02/12/2024 07:58

NetZeroZealot · 02/12/2024 07:54

I can understand why he’s done it but I wish he hadn’t. He’s just ceded the moral high ground to Trump.

The moral high ground is irrelevant to Trump. It has been abundantly clear for a number of years that he doesn’t need to hold the moral high ground to be elected as president. In fact, the more evidence of his immorality that comes to light, the more entrenched his supporters become in their adoration.

What Biden has done is immoral. What Trump has done utterly dwarfs it in scope and consequence. The moral high ground is no longer a relevant feature of the US political process.

thesilvermoon · 02/12/2024 07:58

Also, why should Biden care what randos on the internet think of his sensible choice to protect his son from Trump's whims? He's just endured months of people mocking his age and saying he has dementia and is unfit for the role.

Greyrocked · 02/12/2024 07:58

Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:32

But this is his own son. Biden previously claimed he would not intervene in the juystice system on his son's behalf, or grant him clemency, bht has just gone back on all that. its like the last gasp of a feeble ruler who has lost all sense of wider issues.

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What kind of parent given the legal power to pardon wouldn’t pardon their own child?

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 07:57

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:54

He's just playing the game according to some on here.

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This is mumsnet, it’s mainly female posters, it’s no surprise that many are not big fans looking at his past treatment of women for a start.

Cromwell1905 · 02/12/2024 07:57

If Hunter Biden had not committed any crimes he would not need a pardon, all Joe Biden is saying is that his son is a criminal and like most parents he is doing what he can to give him the best life he can.

ruffler45 · 02/12/2024 07:56

US populace has just voted for a convicted felon

Perhaps because they thought he was the least worse option

Nottodaythankyou123 · 02/12/2024 07:55

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 07:51

Whoever thought playing fair gets you anywhere is plain stupid.

I’m not sure Trump will actually bother going after Hunter, it won’t really get him anything and he has too many other things he can do to advantage himself. Biden and the democrats have gone, he won’t waste his time.

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I’m just not sure it’s a risk I’d be willing to take. Trump has shown himself in the past to be petty and vindictive, Hunter Biden is an easy win for him.
As a PP said far more eloquently than me, the majority of the American electorate just voted against morality, ethics and the rule of law. They can’t be upset when someone else behaves the same. (And as above, in a normal situation I’d disagree with what Biden has done, but honestly I just can’t get upset about it in these circumstances).

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 07:55

GreenSedan · 02/12/2024 07:52

They're all as bad as each other. I honestly don't understand why people think Democrats are the goodies and Reuplicans are the baddies. It's such a juvenile point of view. They're all self-serving. So pleased I don't live there.

Do you live in the UK? If so, our lot are all self serving arseholes too. If not, do you live somewhere with better leaders? Can’t think of many, or any.

NetZeroZealot · 02/12/2024 07:54

I can understand why he’s done it but I wish he hadn’t. He’s just ceded the moral high ground to Trump.

ruffler45 · 02/12/2024 07:54

His was a victimless crime.

Is there really such as thing? Soneone lost something as a result of a crime

thesilvermoon · 02/12/2024 07:54

GridlockonMain · 02/12/2024 07:50

I agree, it’s an insane system, but given the US populace has just voted for a convicted felon to hold the role of president it would be hypocrisy in the highest degree for them to have a peep of a complaint about this.

Its scary and sad but the US is a nation in dizzying, catastrophic decline.

Every new position Trump announces being appointed to a known conspiracy theorist with close to zero background in the role makes it scarier and more insane.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:54

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 07:52

I’m sure you can think of a few things.

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He's just playing the game according to some on here.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:53

thesilvermoon · 02/12/2024 07:53

Are you speaking in riddles?

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I'm just using the same logic to defend Trump that people are to defend Biden

Why should Trump give a crap when he can get away with it?

thesilvermoon · 02/12/2024 07:53

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:52

Someone just said above playing fair doesn't get you anywhere these days.

In fact it sounds like he's ticking all the boxes.

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Are you speaking in riddles?

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 07:52

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:49

No idea why anyone has an issue with Trump then.

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I’m sure you can think of a few things.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 07:52

Lifestooshort71 · 02/12/2024 07:51

I've said I don't agree with what he's done.You may want to google the definition of 'telling a lie' as I 'can't believe' you don't know what it is and it may make future posts easier to understand.

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I'm not going to pardon my son is a lie

Hope that's clear

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