Biden has pardoned his son because his conviction was a "miscarriage of justice".

Oh for goodness sakes. What do you expect. There's a convicted felon at the helm. He's a paedophile and a career criminal. He's led an insurrection, which makes him a traitor. And you want to make a big thing about a man protecting his child against a megalomaniac?

Honestly, I think Mumsnet is full of hate spreading right wing shills at the moment.

I don’t blame him one bit. After Trump has driven a coach and horses through the American justice system and has lied repeatedly and shown zero respect for the law, I’d do it too in Biden’s shoes. Trump has indicated he’s going to punish political opponents, so why should Biden leave his son at the mercy of a system which has been corrupted already and is only going to get worse?

it cuts both ways. Sometimes choosing a goodie and a baddie is a sign of childish thinking. Other times, it’s just a sign of having a working moral compass. Sometimes people need to judge the lesser of two evils, while understanding that even the “good guys” are deeply flawed.

This is one of those times. The Democrats are about as corrupt and incompetent as most political parties in the western world. The Republicans, on the other hand, have uniformly supported a man that recently attempted an insurrection to hold on to power. They chose this man over several other viable candidates. They refused to impeach him in the immediate aftermath of the insurrection when doing so would have barred him from holding office again. And they have even purged the Party of officials who continued to oppose him.

It’s somewhat understandable that a plurality of voters in the US supported Trump out of hatred of the incumbent government, an outcome that has been repeated throughout the Western world. What’s less acceptable is for educated people in another country to pretend there’s some equivalence between the two sides.

I think when it comes to men close to you like your husband, you have more control. Only you choose him, in most cases, and you can choose to get rid at any point.

There’s no point in just hoping men are better, as parents we have to put the work in with our sons to make them better. It’s not going to be a quick fix, if it’s ever fixed on a large scale. In terms of politicians, it’s not just men though, powerful women aren’t squeaky clean.

Just because bad behaviour from politicians is expected, it doesn’t mean people have to like it, hence the hatred of Trump. People need to be able to call out the negative behaviour of the opposition even if they vote for them though, but they rarely do. It’s like when people are a fan of a certain pop group, if they have a shit song, staunch supporters will still claim it’s good. It’s a common mentality.

The USA is one giant shitshow at the moment, it's so depressing.

I'm so disappointed in Joe Biden.

Yeah no-one cares about principles. Lets all just screw each other over then.

Cheers Joe.

"They didn’t though, they voted for economic policies that they feel are better and against wokeness. Nothing much will change in terms of ethics and law once his term starts."

Lol. Wait until trump's tariffs kick in. Mexico and Canada already have told him to fuck off. His ignorant voters ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to economic pain.

The American economy has been excellent under Biden by most measures. Now trump will destroy it again. What fools Americans are.

We can agree to disagree on the better economic policies because that’s entirely subjective, but surely you can see that in voting for their preferred economic policies they’ve also voted against any form of morality or rule of law. Again, he’s a convicted felon and a proven rapist.

As for your last sentence, I think saying nothing will change in terms of ethics is absolutely laughable - he’s already refused to sign the ethics pledge (which I suppose in a way shows some honesty about where he stands re ethics in public office).

Some really crazy stuff on this thread, it's like they can't face the fact they've been fooled by the nice old grandpa act.

He had no choice - what do you think would happen to him during the Trump admin

It's absolutely disgusting, but as you can see from the comments, American politics is so fanatical people will just say "but Trump..." and think that makes it all OK.

In which case lots of things are silly, like hoping men might not be violent, or hoping that your husband doesn't cheat on you.

If it's just human nature you may as well screw everyone over. Which again begs the question why do people who think like this have any issue with Trump?

The intellectual contortionism on this thread by the Trump haters is hilarious. The fact that hate for a person can blind you so much that you come up with such nonsense excuses and reasons for this joke of a senile, corrupt president.

They just can’t bring themselves to to call Biden out.

The angst on display is so funny.

You pardon a burp, not your pals and relatives.

Having said that, our equivalent is hanging out lordships. It is archaic and needs to stop.

Why leave his only remaining son in jail on principle when no one cares about principles anymore?

Why are people worked up about this?
Morally it’s questionable, however the last 7 years of presidency have been as bizarre as the UK under the Tories especially Johnson.
Thatcher said there was no such thing as society in 1987.
She led the way in everyone for themselves being the normal.

Next time you’re all shopping in Tesco read about Dame Shirley Porter.

It was because he's now pardoned his son. This isn't hard to grasp.

....but it wasn't a lie when he said it - is that clear! I'm done with this one.

The most powerful men on the planet rarely set a good example. The more powerful, the worse the behaviour. It’s silly to think or hope they might want to set an example, it’s not often in the nature of humans who get power. I’d be more shocked if they were principled.

Yep.

People like to have a goodie and a baddie as a pp said, so whoever is worse is the baddie, and on here that’s Trump, and therefore Biden is automatically hailed as the goodie. It’s a strange way to think, but it’s common.

I don't think there's ever been a moral high ground on either side. Perhaps more people will realise that now. Ditto for the UK.

I don't know, maybe one who thought setting a good example not to abuse your position as the most powerful man on the planet was somewhat important?

What man wouldn't promote his friend from his old boy network over someone else if he has the opportunity? Don't complain about it if you think Biden using his position for his own personal interests are ok, because you've normalised using your position in that way.

If you say so, I’d say there is a lot to criticise here. And I lived in America for many years. There’s lots of good about the US, but over here, only the bad is reported it seems. When I lived in America, if I’d have listened to news reports, I’d have believed that UK politics was more corrupt. People here definitely seem more dissatisfied.