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Teacher treating children too young

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Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 21:40

My child is in a year 3 class, the teacher now sings a song to get them to sit on the carpet and has organised a book advent for this week. The children are 7 and 8, I feel they are far too old to be sung to sit on the carpet. Aibu to talk to the headteacher?

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AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 12/12/2024 17:29

LilySLE · 09/12/2024 23:01

Just jumping on your post to admire your username. I would love an alpaca for Christmas too (or preferably a few, as they’re herd animals) but sadly it’s not going to happen!

Thank you 🤗. I would love a whole herd of them but thought it might be pushing my luck 😂.

LocationChange · 10/12/2024 13:12

No it is fine if not great for the teacher to be singing songs to/with Year 3. As a teacher who worked my way ‘up’ from Nursery to Year 6, I have always believed that the best teaching approach is from the bottom up, rather than the top down. So if they are still singing on the carpet or from their desks in Year 6 then consider your child lucky to have such teachers!

Namechangeforthis88 · 10/12/2024 12:24

Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 22:25

I didn't say it was harming anyone, more that I expected a teacher to not be singing to 8 year old. I would of thought an experienced teacher would have more age appropriate strategies.

I would have expected a university lecturer to have a better grasp of basic spelling and grammar but here we are!

Also incorrect use of moreover.

Do you mark essays for university students?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/12/2024 12:13

I see that now @SorcererGaheris. Apologies to @Arseynal.

SorcererGaheris · 09/12/2024 23:44

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/12/2024 09:43

What an utterly ridiculous thing to say, @Arseynal!

If only children get to sing, you can kiss goodbye to almost all pop music, choral music, opera, musicals, karaoke etc - not to mention denying many, many people the joy and fulfilment that comes from singing in a group/choir.

Singing in a setting such as the checkout at Lidl is probably not appropriate (though I doubt it harms anyone) - but to use that as evidence that no adult should sing is just madness.

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius

I am VERY certain that @Arseynal was being 100% sarcastic in their post.

LilySLE · 09/12/2024 23:01

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 01/12/2024 22:38

Outrageous!! Far more useful to pop them back up chimneys. After all mines not going to clean itself now!.

Just jumping on your post to admire your username. I would love an alpaca for Christmas too (or preferably a few, as they’re herd animals) but sadly it’s not going to happen!

crackfoxy · 05/12/2024 23:11

Honestly! You've got too much time on your hands OP to be worrying about this.

kindlemanic · 05/12/2024 13:09

Whilst your child might be 'too old', in your opinion, for such delivery in the classroom I can assure you there will be a large number of children that will only respond to that kind of teaching - sounds a good way of encouraging good behaviour and keeping things a bit fun!

Completelyjo · 05/12/2024 12:49

Since when is singing and books too young for 8 year olds?! This is the weirdest post.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 05/12/2024 12:38

ILoveVeg · 03/12/2024 22:44

OP seems to have gone a bit quiet......

I was thinking that too, @ILoveVeg. Egregious grammatical error + claim to be University lecturer = Instant embarrassment and vanishing OP.

GridlockonMain · 05/12/2024 10:45

You’re being mental. The teacher is responsible for behaviour management strategies in their own class, and if they find that singing a song is what works for them then what does it matter to you? It’s not like your issue is that it doesn’t work, you would just prefer they did something else (despite the fact that you’re not a primary school teacher and therefore not trained in behavioural management for primary school aged children).

And a book advent is a lovely idea with no upper age limit.

This is just silly, meddling, over-involved micro managing on your part.

twoshedsjackson · 05/12/2024 10:14

@BusyMum47 , as the survivor of many a crazed run-up to Christmas, I salute you!
It's the best job in the world when it goes well, but it certainly has its moments!
As for the nit-picking, try to remember that you're only hearing from the ones with complaints for now, where the vast majority are perfectly happy, so just get on with their lives. Then, at the end of the year, you get the lovely messages of appreciation, and (occasionally bonkers) presents.
We once had an extremely pro-school mum who was doing so much voluntarily that we encouraged her to sign up as a lunchtime helper, so that she was getting some remuneration, however modest, for her efforts. After a few weeks, she confided to me that it had been an eye-opener!

mrspresents · 05/12/2024 08:04

This post can't be serious!!!

If it is, then there is nothing wrong with how the teacher manages behaviour, tidying up, sitting down etc. if a song works it works.

Teachers get enough bad wrap as it is- leave them so do the job they are qualified for. Doubt you would appreciate a parents of one of your students making a complaint with regards to how you lecture. Ffs

BusyMum47 · 05/12/2024 07:57

EmpressOfTheThread · 05/12/2024 07:41

@BusyMum47 - you're doing a brilliant job! 👍

💗

EmpressOfTheThread · 05/12/2024 07:41

@BusyMum47 - you're doing a brilliant job! 👍

BusyMum47 · 05/12/2024 06:56

QueenOfWeeds · 01/12/2024 21:49

The teacher bought them books! Absolutely complain. Please do. It’s a long term, the staff could use a laugh.

How else would you like the teacher to get the children to sit down? Songs are a great cue without being naggy, and also act like a timer. 30 second song = 30 seconds to be sitting down ready, but without actually putting the pressure of a timer on.

This!! ⬆️ FFS.

As an exhausted, stressed out Primary School Teacher, thanks for all the supportive messages on here. 💗

Jolenepleasetakeawaymyman · 05/12/2024 06:53

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 01/12/2024 21:51

What does your child like OP if they're too grown up for a song?

Playing GTA, vaping and drinking a can of Monster maybe.

Saschka · 03/12/2024 23:02

Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 22:25

I didn't say it was harming anyone, more that I expected a teacher to not be singing to 8 year old. I would of thought an experienced teacher would have more age appropriate strategies.

Yep, outrageous that the teacher is using music in the classroom. Literally no children like music or singing or dancing. Playing them a clip from Call of Duty would be much more appropriate for a group seven year olds.

OP I really hope this is a fake post because if not you sound deranged. It’s not like the teacher is making them watch full episodes of Cocomelon.

Let your seven year old be a seven year old, instead of bragging about how “advanced” they are by not liking songs any more.

ILoveVeg · 03/12/2024 22:44

OP seems to have gone a bit quiet......

Takeoutyourhen · 03/12/2024 21:30

How has your meeting with the head gone OP? Or have you gone straight to your local university and initial teacher training hubs to get them to abandon this music nonsense before anyone qualifies?

itsgettingweird · 03/12/2024 15:58

Playing a song or singing a song that lasts a minute or so after something like lunch where there need to transition from running around to inside or from sitting at a desk to moving to the carpet is very inclusive.

It allows all those who need a fidget break the length of the song to prepare and get settled.

We all need movement breaks and it's a great way of setting the bounties and a time limit without making it negative.

But you'd rather judge the teacher 🤷‍♀️

Maxstress3 · 03/12/2024 15:57

Everyone has mentioned the support for the teacher and singing in class and rightly so. BUT what I am looking at is the poor child, would hate to know their life at home! Let the kids be kids

Ivyn · 03/12/2024 15:56

Spriterat · 03/12/2024 07:56

And we wonder why teachers don’t want to stay in their jobs.
unbelievable that you would actually consider speaking to the head about this.
How would you suggest the teachers organises the students? Have you any experience in a classroom?

My thoughts precisely.

CrowleyKitten · 03/12/2024 15:53

7 and 8! by that age they should be sitting on a hard floor! not on a CARPET! stop mollycoddling them.

IainTorontoNSW · 03/12/2024 11:29

Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 22:25

I didn't say it was harming anyone, more that I expected a teacher to not be singing to 8 year old. I would of thought an experienced teacher would have more age appropriate strategies.

You claim to be an academic (university lecturer) and you seem to know bugger-all about good pedagogy or student management.

You are also low on the scale of English usage too. e.g. "I would of thought" [sic] instead of the correct "I would have thought". In several of your posts in this thread you consistently misuse the intransitive form of verbs. Either, English is not your first language or you set yourself very low standards of articulate communication.

Better that you learn to accept that your child's teacher uses songs and musical cues to establish class routines and to focus the children at particular times of the school day.

If you feel that you must intervene, do approach the teacher and ask your questions from an "I need information" POV.

Ask the teacher, "I am a little surprised at some of your classroom methods that I hear about from my child. Is your singing and use of music in line with the needs of some of the student cohort?"

Maybe, also, try, "I have found (at home) that my child is more of a visual/aural/kinaesthetic learner. My spouse and I find direct requests work well with her/him nearly all the time."

And, perhaps, "Do you have any specific advice that we need to know to assist our child glean the most from the curriculum this year. We'd be more than happy to reinforce your guidance."

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