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To not want to write DCs name and address on the back of the envelope?

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BabyDoge · 01/12/2024 18:30

We've just written DCs Santa letters. I'm wanting to send them to the address provided by Royal Mail, as you get a response from Santa in the post. I've just had a look on their site and apparently you have to write your child's full name and address on the back of the envelope.
Given all the warnings about safeguarding, surely this isn't a good idea? I made a thread the other day about buying DS a football kit and was warned not to put his name on the back. Surely a letter addressed to Santa with a child's full name and address on the back is even worse?
Has anyone else sent a letter off? Did you put the name and address on the back or would it be enough just to put it inside on the letter itself?

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Photodilemmas · 01/12/2024 21:31

BabyDoge · 01/12/2024 18:30

We've just written DCs Santa letters. I'm wanting to send them to the address provided by Royal Mail, as you get a response from Santa in the post. I've just had a look on their site and apparently you have to write your child's full name and address on the back of the envelope.
Given all the warnings about safeguarding, surely this isn't a good idea? I made a thread the other day about buying DS a football kit and was warned not to put his name on the back. Surely a letter addressed to Santa with a child's full name and address on the back is even worse?
Has anyone else sent a letter off? Did you put the name and address on the back or would it be enough just to put it inside on the letter itself?

Oh Lordy 😂

rainbowunicorn · 01/12/2024 21:29

BabyDoge · 01/12/2024 18:57

Yes when you say it rationally like that it makes me sound silly 🙈 I think I was more worried about someone untoward at the local sorting office being able to see it's a child's letter, and being able to note their name and address without having to disturb the letter.
I take the point PPs are making about birthday cards etc but as I said before, a birthday card they wouldn't know if the recipient is 5 or 50. A Santa letter they will.

Your average postman delivers to between 400 and 600 addresses every day. They sort and process 0s of thousands of items through the sorting offices. The huge mail centres are hugely automated. Everything is dumped out of sacks into machines to be sorted. They barely have time to do more than glance at each one. You don't sound silly, you sound completely irrational. I can't even begin to explain how utterly ridiculous this sounds.
Even if the postman registered that it was a child's letter to santa what do you think will happen? Do you think they will try and groom your child by first class post? Presumably the postman already knows you have children? What exactly is it that you are concerned about?

Fire86 · 01/12/2024 21:06

Can you not just not post the letter and not get a reply - or not post the letter and write your own reply to your child? Or post the letter and not get a reply / write your own reply?

PrimitivePerson · 01/12/2024 20:49

I'm currently working for Royal Mail as a Christmas temp. Their rules around confidentiality of data are really strict. Addresses on envelopes and parcels are covered by GDPR and any employees copying or using that information can find themselves in serious trouble.

You're massively overthinking this.

User820825 · 01/12/2024 20:36

Just throw the letters away, print out the Royal Mail letter yourself and deliver them.

Edingril · 01/12/2024 20:35

BabyDoge · 01/12/2024 18:54

Yes. It's a problem I am seeking help for, but DH has lost a bit of patience with me so I can't really go to him for a sense check anymore.

And you wonder why, this is ridiculous then don't write to Santa hide yourself away and then think about the affect this is having on your child/ren

NoNoNona · 01/12/2024 20:28

In Germany it is obligatory to put the sending address (at least) on the front of the envelope, in the top left-hand corner. Surname optional. Never had any issues with it.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 01/12/2024 20:23

Sorry but you are being ridiculous.
Do you think someone will note down all the addresses so they can snatch your child. Get a Grip!!!
Also noone is making you sent a letter to Santa. If you aren't comfortable then don't do it.

BertieBotts · 01/12/2024 20:20

CaptainMyCaptain · 01/12/2024 19:52

I got my grandson kit with his favourite player's name on. Not for safeguarding reasons, it's what he wanted.

Well yes, this too!

Chonk · 01/12/2024 20:18

LifeEdit · 01/12/2024 19:08

Good. Well, I sincerely hope it makes you adopt a different attitude before they do begin to notice.

The irony of having such a shitty attitude yourself yet making this comment.

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 01/12/2024 20:14

notatinydancer · 01/12/2024 18:34

It's so they can reply without opening all the letters I expect. I don't suppose any one is going to sit and open 1000s of letters and certainly not read them.

This!

BabyDoge · 01/12/2024 20:01

chergar · 01/12/2024 19:43

I understand the anxiety and worry of putting your child in danger, and sometimes it is good to be cautious and double check.
However in this situation I think it is perfectly fine to put your child's name and address on the envelope, the Royal Mail workers won't know for sure it is a child, it could be an older teen, a spouse, or even someone sending one as a joke to a friend.
As a groomer/paedophile ring it is not a very efficient way of finding children.

This is different to putting your child's name on clothing as that is a double identifier, the actual child and their name, a person with nefarious intentions can see the child and use the name as a means of familiarity and to obtain trust, same as posting pics of your child in school uniform or with other identifiable objects/locations.

The Royal Mail letter is just one identifier without anything else it is practically useless for the reasons above.

Thank you, it does make sense written rationally like that 🙂

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BabyDoge · 01/12/2024 20:00

FluffytheGoldfish · 01/12/2024 19:36

No one at the local sorting office will see the letter really.
The mail will be taken out of the pillar box in handfuls and stuffed in a mail sack (and I’m pretty sure they are sealed then). The sacks will be taken back to the local office but only so they can load them onto the van going to the main sorting facility. There the sacks will be sorted by a machine reading the postcode to be sent on to the next location. As its a Royal Mail facility it probably doesn’t get the final hand sort which is usually only done just before it is actually delivered.
Even 25 years ago when Dh was a postman it was only when the mail reached the receiving sorting office that a person would actually start looking at the letters rather than a machine.

Thank you, this is a really helpful reply x

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atichoo · 01/12/2024 19:56

Oh - I see you're on a waiting list.

Well go and see your doctor again anyway and push hard for help. You can't live like this, it's not good for you.

atichoo · 01/12/2024 19:55

OP you are overthinking this massively. Your child will be fine, it is not a risk you need to concern yourself about. No one from the post office is going to note your child's name and address and then contact or otherwise do harm them.

I say this kindly, but please, if this is making you so anxious that it's in your head to the point you're having to sense check it with a DH who is losing patience or ask on here then go and see a doctor next week. It is hell living with a busy and anxious brain like you are, but there is help out there.

CaptainMyCaptain · 01/12/2024 19:52

BertieBotts · 01/12/2024 18:57

Agree. And I would get a child a football kit with their name on it. Isn't that the whole point? Confused

I got my grandson kit with his favourite player's name on. Not for safeguarding reasons, it's what he wanted.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 01/12/2024 19:51

@BabyDoge Op I don't know how old your DC are but are they able to read the letters themselves? If not would you feel easier if you put their middle names instead, or an entire made up one (and obviously if you read it to them then you road out their actual names). The address part there's no getting round I wouldn't think.

Take care of yourself, anxiety is the worst.

WaitingforStrike · 01/12/2024 19:47

There are letters you can pay for, we used those a lot. Videos too - the portable North Pole.

Yellowbananasarebetterthangreen · 01/12/2024 19:46

BabyDoge · 01/12/2024 18:53

Thank you for this. I wasn't sure whether they addressed the letter to the child, but I think I will do this to make me feel better.

If you write your name on the envelope you'll end up with a letter from Santa addressed to you. Super useful. All your Christmas wishes will come true!

WaitingforStrike · 01/12/2024 19:46

MumonabikeE5 · 01/12/2024 19:16

What name would you put on a foootball shirt if not your own? Of course you put their name on the shirt!

Messi? Ronaldo?

Jk987 · 01/12/2024 19:44

I'd just do pretend letters and replies. The Royal Mail thing is too much effort.

chergar · 01/12/2024 19:43

I understand the anxiety and worry of putting your child in danger, and sometimes it is good to be cautious and double check.
However in this situation I think it is perfectly fine to put your child's name and address on the envelope, the Royal Mail workers won't know for sure it is a child, it could be an older teen, a spouse, or even someone sending one as a joke to a friend.
As a groomer/paedophile ring it is not a very efficient way of finding children.

This is different to putting your child's name on clothing as that is a double identifier, the actual child and their name, a person with nefarious intentions can see the child and use the name as a means of familiarity and to obtain trust, same as posting pics of your child in school uniform or with other identifiable objects/locations.

The Royal Mail letter is just one identifier without anything else it is practically useless for the reasons above.

Daschund · 01/12/2024 19:39

We never included an address and got someone else (an aunt) to write and post a reply.

FluffytheGoldfish · 01/12/2024 19:36

No one at the local sorting office will see the letter really.
The mail will be taken out of the pillar box in handfuls and stuffed in a mail sack (and I’m pretty sure they are sealed then). The sacks will be taken back to the local office but only so they can load them onto the van going to the main sorting facility. There the sacks will be sorted by a machine reading the postcode to be sent on to the next location. As its a Royal Mail facility it probably doesn’t get the final hand sort which is usually only done just before it is actually delivered.
Even 25 years ago when Dh was a postman it was only when the mail reached the receiving sorting office that a person would actually start looking at the letters rather than a machine.

Dameruoy · 01/12/2024 19:36

I did the RM letters and I didn't write their name and address on the back of the envelope. I wrote all their names at the bottom of the letter and address underneath. They each got a response.

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