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To be unhappy with this hybrid work policy?

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HybridWorker · 01/12/2024 15:25

Office has started enforcing 2 days a week in office. Fine.

The part I'm unhappy about is what happens if a company holiday or sick day, etc falls on on of your usual in-office days. You're supposed to make it up by coming in a different day of the week. They say that's "fair and flexible". The trouble is, my wraparound childcare that enables my commute is definitely not "fair and flexible" in the same way. With my childcare, I'm signed up for Thursdays and Fridays as a permanent arrangement, and that's just the way it is.

I will find a way to work around it. I'm just unhappy that it seems like unneeded stress. I think some other workplaces don't make you make up days off that are out of the office, but I'm not sure.

YABU = That's fair, you should just go into the office a different day and/or my work makes us do this.

YANBU = That's not nice, and/or my work doesn't make us do this.

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rookiemere · 02/12/2024 18:05

As your DS is 11, I would keep quiet about this. If it ever did happen then either have a discrete word with your line manager- I suspect if you go in as required normally they won't make you make up the time, or as your DS is 11 and he should be ok as a one off to be home alone for a couple of hours at that age, and certainly should be ok on a semi regular basis once he is in secondary school.

BoobyDazzler · 02/12/2024 17:46

We’re supposed go in twice a week but the reality is that those with caring responsibilities make it work for them and the rest of us aren’t bothered as we’ve, mostly, all been there. Also, some weeks we go in 3 times and some weeks one. I think hybrid my definition is supposed to be flexible. Generally as long as the work is getting done and no-one taking the piss then no one cares.

I do think my team work better when we get to be physically in the same place though so I can see why companies are making people go back.

LoveWine123 · 02/12/2024 17:41

HybridWorker · 02/12/2024 12:06

@EmotionalSupportPotato I have a similar set up. I have wraparound child care for 3 days so I can go in that extra day if I miss a day. Means I go in more than 2 days a week some week and I track it on a spreadsheet so I can prove I've "banked" some days if I am off sick.

That's really smart. I'm probably not going to do it myself, because DS currently doesn't like the wraparound care. (They changed management a bit ago and have some new people, and he doesn't like change.)

But I like the idea a lot.

That’s what I do too. I pay for 4 days of wraparound and that allows me to be flexible for the 2 days I need to be in the office. It’s not your employer’s fault that your childcare arrangements are different. You need to make the arrangements work for the job you have. My kids are not wild about wraparound care either (who is?!) but that’s what it takes for me to do my job so I do it.

PurpleThistle7 · 02/12/2024 17:37

Can your son just let himself in if this happens? Sounds super rare and you have a great deal already being allowed to flex your time and still do school pickups. We aren't allowed to be working while caring for our children so my kids have after school club even on the days we are home.

HybridWorker · 02/12/2024 17:20

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/12/2024 14:26

@HybridWorker did the company not enforce the two days before? when your son did not walk home from school, who collected him and dropped him off?

No, they only started enforcing it a few months ago, and only made this clarification about making up non-working office days a few weeks ago.

Last year, I had permission from my boss to be out for 10 minutes in the afternoon to pick up my son from school on my WFH days, so I picked him up. (We live directly opposite the school, so I really did only need 10 minutes. Yes, I know I was lucky.)

I dropped him off, and still do, on WFH days, as I can do that and still be working by 9. (He is allowed to walk to school by himself, but doesn't want to, so I go with him, since I can.)

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EsmeSusanOgg · 02/12/2024 17:08

skippy67 · 01/12/2024 15:28

Our place has a policy 60% of working days in office. It doesn't matter which days of the week, and is averaged out over the month. We have an online attendance tool to monitor this. Sounds a bit much, but actually works really well.

HMRC?

HybridWorker · 02/12/2024 17:07

@redskydarknight I think you are over worrying. How many company days and sick days will there be in reality? And on average 3/5 of them will fall on days that you are at home anyway.

I agree. I am completely overworrying.😂 It just bothers me, so I wondered how other companies are doing it.

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NewToAllThisStuff · 02/12/2024 15:00

Our place is dictating in office 2 days per week. I'm only 0.75 FTE (spread over 5 days) so my LM is happy for me to go in 1 day and is very flexible. Would never demand what your employers are talking about

SunQueen24 · 02/12/2024 14:49

My Office said 2 days a week in the office. Which was fine but I only did 3 days! So proportionately it was a lot more significant to me than my colleagues.

kiraric · 02/12/2024 14:47

In principle our office is like this - basically you need to make 40% across the month so if you miss a day, you will need to make it up.

In practice, most line managers turn a blind eye to it for someone who is otherwise a good worker and for whom it's an occasional issue.

It's more in the policy so that where you have someone repeatedly taking their office days off sick but mysteriously always being fine for their WFH days, you have a way to push them to sort it out.

In your situation, I would just give your 11 year old a key for the odd day this happens

SunQueen24 · 02/12/2024 14:45

So frustrating OP. Arbitrary requirements and rules dressed up as being “flexible” when the reality is they aren’t. My office bought in similar rules (having been recruited not 1 year before on the basis office attendance was only once every 6 weeks). I was “called out”
for leaving on an office day before 5pm. I quit. The afterschool club finished at 5.30 and the commute was an hour, I was supposed to work “flexi-time” allowing me an early log in and earlier log out.

allthatfalafel · 02/12/2024 14:42

sharpclawedkitten · 01/12/2024 15:40

Oh the old "outsource to India" chestnut. Companies have been there, done that, and brought the jobs back to Blighty or nearshored them like opening offices in Belfast.

I've never seen the jobs come back, what sector do you work in? A lot of places have stuck with Eastern Europe, some have moved on to the Philippines because it's cheaper than anywhere else.

allthatfalafel · 02/12/2024 14:41

They have to do it or it creates a loophole where people are off sick for a day or two at full pay to avoid going into the office at all.

orangegato · 02/12/2024 14:30

skippy67 · 01/12/2024 15:28

Our place has a policy 60% of working days in office. It doesn't matter which days of the week, and is averaged out over the month. We have an online attendance tool to monitor this. Sounds a bit much, but actually works really well.

Civil service?

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/12/2024 14:26

@HybridWorker did the company not enforce the two days before? when your son did not walk home from school, who collected him and dropped him off?

SharpOpalNewt · 02/12/2024 13:54

Just tell them you can't be flexible about what days you come in and will need certainty for childcare reasons. I can't see a downside for the company or team knowing exactly which days you'll be there.

Whitefluffycloud · 02/12/2024 13:53

Whether it's 'fair' or not is a different matter but my previous employer took a similar stance to this. I submitted a formal flexible working request and was rejected. I went on to appeal it and was also unsuccessful. I wasn't able to make the hybrid offering work so I found a new job and left.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 02/12/2024 13:45

Why do you have to make up hours if you are out sick.? Do you have to make up hours if you are sick on your wfh days?
I can understand if you booked every Friday as a stand alone holiday day when it was an office day or even if you are only ever sick on an office day but other than that not sure why you should have to make up time in office.

redskydarknight · 02/12/2024 13:37

I think you are over worrying. How many company days and sick days will there be in reality? And on average 3/5 of them will fall on days that you are at home anyway.

I'm sure you can make ad-hoc childcare arrangements for the very odd day that there is an issue, or, on the basis that your DC is 11, just let him be at home on his own.

Cakeandusername · 02/12/2024 13:29

Can you get a day or two in hand eg going in over holidays when he’s in childcare or other parent around. Then you are always ahead.

Cakeandusername · 02/12/2024 13:28

I think your gut to sit tight is best. It’s probably not going to be enforced eg if you’ve been off sick then often it’s best to wfh when back so you don’t pass it on or aren’t 100% after an op but ok to wfh.
Or offer to do 2 half days if they insist due to no childcare.

HybridWorker · 02/12/2024 13:24

sharpclawedkitten · 01/12/2024 15:39

Are they monitoring that carefully? DH is meant to be in the office 3 days a week. From what I can gather, he's about the only one who is!

They started monitoring badge swipes recently, so they say they are now monitoring it carefully. We will see how it goes.

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HybridWorker · 02/12/2024 13:22

@LivingOnTheVeg I don’t think it’s that unfair if your team are in other days, but ultimately this is the chaos that hybrid working causes. Could you/would you want to find a fully remote job?

Yes, I'd love a fully remote job and may very well start looking into finding one 😂

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HybridWorker · 02/12/2024 13:19

@Dietingfool You never proactively greet a colleague, you wait till they greet you. And you just sit there silently al day working?

Yes. At least, I think yes. I'm an introvert. Maybe once in a while I say hello first? I'm not sure.

I should clarify... I'm not completely silent on the remote meetings. I do talk to the people I'm working with in the remote meetings, it's just that those people are in different offices in different countries, not the office where I'm sitting.

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HybridWorker · 02/12/2024 13:15

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/12/2024 13:03

@HybridWorker what days are you planning to go into the office and how many days do you do?? there are 5 days in the working week

I work 5 days a week. Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, I work from home. Thursday and Friday I go to the office.

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