Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Vile text

488 replies

JustWondering222 · 01/12/2024 10:47

My 10yr old received a horrendous text last night (honestly I've never seen anything like it. So many swear words, telling him to kill himself 😧 telling him to suck pussy, telling him everyone hates him (the f word was used quite a few times as were other foul swear words.. basically every other word was a swear word and the general message was to go kill yourself because you r the worst of the worst) from someone that's normally a good friend. I was really shocked because my DC is quite innocent and didn't even understand half the message or half the words used.

I sent the mum a screenshot so she can ask her child about it and have talked to my DC about it and he feels ok. I praised him for showing me the text. He knows I've texted the mum so is worried he'll get called a snitch, but otherwise he's fine. I've reassured him he did the right thing. He's quite popular at school and has never been bullied or received anything like this before. The two boys are normally good friends and have a lovely friendship group. They've known each other several years, had playdates etc..

My question is, is it enough just to raise this with the boys mum, or would you also mention something to school? (I'm just quite shocked at the language and venom coming out of a 10yr old. I'm a bit worried about the boy to be honest.. Also a bit worried because another child might get v upset by this kind of message. My son has another friend that is very vulnerable and has sen and the boy that sent the message previously had a falling out with this child. If he sent such a text to this boy, or another like him, it would likely quite severely impact them.)

OP posts:
LivelyMintViper · 02/12/2024 19:02

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:46

Thanks @Cotswoldmama

I think you handled it in the optimum way too. One of the key features is that everyone knows for certain what was said and by who. When it comes to resolving these sort of issues this is very important. Much easier to sort out than the he said she said scenario which is what you would be dealing with if you're son had not had the phone.

Jack80 · 02/12/2024 18:55

Definitely tell the school. We were in a simular situation to you when my youngest was in high school but it was on Musically now Tik Tok (videos were being shared and they were aimed at her and some horrible comments). We informed the parents and the school. I hope you get this sorted.

Pinkproseccolady · 02/12/2024 18:48

Definitely tell the school and also child protection in the police. Kids have been horribly affected by that type of communication and that child needs to realise there will be serious consequences.

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:46

Cotswoldmama · 02/12/2024 18:41

I think you handled the situation perfectly. I would have done the same. My boys also have mobile phones for the same reasons your kids do. They work great for us. As you've said everyone parents they way that works for their family.

Thanks @Cotswoldmama

OP posts:
JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:45

sunshine237 · 02/12/2024 18:31

Yes I do, eldest is the same age as your ds. No doubt if I didn't you would dismiss my opinion. Maybe you will regardless.

I'm sorry but comparing having frequent on-line access with Grange Hill or mizz is just laughable. The internet access is so clearly why this incident has happened. Many teachers have come on to say they deal with it day in day out.

You say you're comfortable with it, so that's great, but then you also claim to be so shocked about it?

No I wouldn't dismiss your opinion.

I think it's ok for parents to make the decision about smart phone access themself and to decide what access they give. If you choose not to allow you child a smart phone, that's entirely fine. A very valid opinion. It's also fine for a parent to make a different decision (IMO!)

I guess every family, school and community is different. Different families will make different decisions based on their own circumstances, schools and communities.. I think that's ok. I respect your decision.

I don't think the comparison to grange hill and mizz is that different. Parents over the centuries have made different decisions for their children, each thinking they are right and the alternative decision might harm their children, be a bad influence, lead them down the wrong path. I really don't think this is much different.

In the future it will likely be something else. At present, it's smart phone access... Parents will always be divided on child rearing opinions (when mine were small.it was about crying it out Vs co sleeping or some variation!..)

We r all just trying our best to be the best parents we can be and that will look different for everyone I guess....

OP posts:
Cotswoldmama · 02/12/2024 18:41

I think you handled the situation perfectly. I would have done the same. My boys also have mobile phones for the same reasons your kids do. They work great for us. As you've said everyone parents they way that works for their family.

sunshine237 · 02/12/2024 18:31

Yes I do, eldest is the same age as your ds. No doubt if I didn't you would dismiss my opinion. Maybe you will regardless.

I'm sorry but comparing having frequent on-line access with Grange Hill or mizz is just laughable. The internet access is so clearly why this incident has happened. Many teachers have come on to say they deal with it day in day out.

You say you're comfortable with it, so that's great, but then you also claim to be so shocked about it?

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:26

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:24

In fact, I seem to remember reading mizz and just17 when I was about 11/12! And looking back I'm a bit 😱 recalling some of the incredibly
inappropriate sexual content. Not sure my mum had a clue what was actually in those magazines!

I turned out relatively ok despite being allowed to watch grange hill and read mizz! So did my friends that weren't allowed those luxuries!!! (despite both sets of parents likely thinking the other's choices would damage their children..)

OP posts:
Owl55 · 02/12/2024 18:25

Def inform the school as he may claim your son has sent him similar text, maybe his older brother has sent it not him?

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:24

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:14

Hi sunshine

It's great that you have done your research and made the decision not to give your child a smartphone or at least to be on the side of those that have made that choice (do you have children? What age?)

However, for many people, giving a child a phone is also a very well thought out and researched decision and not something they 'got sucked into' (which implies they've just been a bit silly or foolish and not made the 'right' choice..)

There is no right and wrong. We will all make individual parenting choices depending on our own circumstances and that's ok (back in my day some parents allowed their kids to watch grange hill and read mizz magazine. Others did not allow thier kids such influences! (I was allowed both bytut had friends that weren't allowed either!!) I don't think either was 'right', they just made different decisions and I'm sure intent on both sides was good and well meaning. I'm sure there was judgement from each side, but ultimately it's just different parenting decisions!)

In fact, I seem to remember reading mizz and just17 when I was about 11/12! And looking back I'm a bit 😱 recalling some of the incredibly
inappropriate sexual content. Not sure my mum had a clue what was actually in those magazines!

OP posts:
JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:15

mumedu · 02/12/2024 18:14

People make mistakes and the boy has a track record of being kind.

Indeed.

OP posts:
JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:14

sunshine237 · 02/12/2024 17:59

'In my experience many people have a holier than thou attitude and think that just by not giving their children phones they've done all they need to.'

Really? Literally the opposite of my experience. The people that are suspicious of giving smartphones early are those that tend to be the most clued up. Just like the tech giants don't give their kids the tech.

Surely even most schools talk about online safety day in day out these days? I don't claim that they're keeping up with the tech but ours certainly does their best. Can't imagine any 16 year old or indeed any teen going in completely naive. It would be largely impossible in this day and age. Hopefully by that point you've given them the tools and the chance to mature enough to make their own decisions, good or bad. But 9 & 10 year olds? It won't end well.

I would never sneer at anyone who has been sucked into giving a phone early (esp those that did it in the pandemic), you have to be pragmatic and work with the peers of your child, but actively defending it as a good thing is crazy to me.

Hi sunshine

It's great that you have done your research and made the decision not to give your child a smartphone or at least to be on the side of those that have made that choice (do you have children? What age?)

However, for many people, giving a child a phone is also a very well thought out and researched decision and not something they 'got sucked into' (which implies they've just been a bit silly or foolish and not made the 'right' choice..)

There is no right and wrong. We will all make individual parenting choices depending on our own circumstances and that's ok (back in my day some parents allowed their kids to watch grange hill and read mizz magazine. Others did not allow thier kids such influences! (I was allowed both bytut had friends that weren't allowed either!!) I don't think either was 'right', they just made different decisions and I'm sure intent on both sides was good and well meaning. I'm sure there was judgement from each side, but ultimately it's just different parenting decisions!)

OP posts:
mumedu · 02/12/2024 18:14

People make mistakes and the boy has a track record of being kind.

CustardySergeant · 02/12/2024 18:12

Fromthestart · 02/12/2024 18:04

I'm in child mental health please tell school. There are safe guarding issues. He could access very traumatising material on his phone or is being exposed to it in another way.

She has told school.

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 18:08

Its2024happynewyear · 02/12/2024 17:52

You sound very level headed and sensible, and the fact your son told you about it is testament to the fact you've taught him well about online safety 👏🏻

Thank you @Its2024happynewyear

I really appreciate your kind words :)

OP posts:
Fromthestart · 02/12/2024 18:04

I'm in child mental health please tell school. There are safe guarding issues. He could access very traumatising material on his phone or is being exposed to it in another way.

sunshine237 · 02/12/2024 17:59

'In my experience many people have a holier than thou attitude and think that just by not giving their children phones they've done all they need to.'

Really? Literally the opposite of my experience. The people that are suspicious of giving smartphones early are those that tend to be the most clued up. Just like the tech giants don't give their kids the tech.

Surely even most schools talk about online safety day in day out these days? I don't claim that they're keeping up with the tech but ours certainly does their best. Can't imagine any 16 year old or indeed any teen going in completely naive. It would be largely impossible in this day and age. Hopefully by that point you've given them the tools and the chance to mature enough to make their own decisions, good or bad. But 9 & 10 year olds? It won't end well.

I would never sneer at anyone who has been sucked into giving a phone early (esp those that did it in the pandemic), you have to be pragmatic and work with the peers of your child, but actively defending it as a good thing is crazy to me.

Its2024happynewyear · 02/12/2024 17:52

You sound very level headed and sensible, and the fact your son told you about it is testament to the fact you've taught him well about online safety 👏🏻

cantarguewithfools · 02/12/2024 17:21

JustWondering222 · 01/12/2024 17:50

Exactly. I'm still shocked. I can't really believe what I've read. The anger that came through the text and the hostility was awful. The swearing and the kill yourself. So so strange. This is from a boy that plays Lego and colouring and making silly hats with DS! A bit who has been friends with DS for years! I just can't put the boy and the words together it's so strange. But the mum and boy have admitted it and noone else sent it. It was him. Can't quite get my head around it.

Does he play console games with a headset? He could be picking the language up from older people online - they basically verbally abuse and berate each other while playing.

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 17:17

Its2024happynewyear · 02/12/2024 17:11

Sounds like you've handled this really well. Hopefully it was a one off and won't be repeated. So worrying that the little boy has that level of aggression and anger in him. Did he say anything about it to your son today?

I'm not sure. My DS has a friend round just now so I've not had opportunity to ask him, but we will chat tonight. He sounds happy and the noise level is quite high so they r in good spirits!! 😜

(Thanks for saying I handled it well. I think as parents we sometimes focus on everything we r struggling with or doing badly so it's nice to hear others are not viewing this situation in quite the same way as my internal voice is telling me 🙂)

OP posts:
JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 17:14

wonderingconcerned · 02/12/2024 17:10

I think this is very wise. You have handed it over to the professionals - they will have their own processes now to follow. Will you mention that you have shared with the school to the other boy's Mum? Or thought how you will respond if she asks you?

Edited

Yes I have done

OP posts:
Its2024happynewyear · 02/12/2024 17:11

Sounds like you've handled this really well. Hopefully it was a one off and won't be repeated. So worrying that the little boy has that level of aggression and anger in him. Did he say anything about it to your son today?

wonderingconcerned · 02/12/2024 17:10

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 17:04

Hi. No I'm not

(I understand why you asked, and appreciate the concern and the reasons why this might be considered appropriate in lots of cases. I don't really want to explain my decision on this one (sorry) but I am happy it's the right decision in this particular case.

I think this is very wise. You have handed it over to the professionals - they will have their own processes now to follow. Will you mention that you have shared with the school to the other boy's Mum? Or thought how you will respond if she asks you?

JustWondering222 · 02/12/2024 17:09

MounjaroUser · 02/12/2024 17:06

I was just wondering about a child whose parent didn't check their child's phone and where the child was too embarrassed and hurt to mention it.

Perhaps show your son how to screenshot messages, as WhatsApp messages can be deleted by the sender.

Thanks. Re the other kids etc... Yeah I know, I totally get that... thanks

Re screenshot - thanks..yes, good tip. He knows how to do that and screenshotted the message as soon as he he saw it. :)

OP posts:
MounjaroUser · 02/12/2024 17:06

I was just wondering about a child whose parent didn't check their child's phone and where the child was too embarrassed and hurt to mention it.

Perhaps show your son how to screenshot messages, as WhatsApp messages can be deleted by the sender.