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JustWondering222 · 01/12/2024 10:47

My 10yr old received a horrendous text last night (honestly I've never seen anything like it. So many swear words, telling him to kill himself 😧 telling him to suck pussy, telling him everyone hates him (the f word was used quite a few times as were other foul swear words.. basically every other word was a swear word and the general message was to go kill yourself because you r the worst of the worst) from someone that's normally a good friend. I was really shocked because my DC is quite innocent and didn't even understand half the message or half the words used.

I sent the mum a screenshot so she can ask her child about it and have talked to my DC about it and he feels ok. I praised him for showing me the text. He knows I've texted the mum so is worried he'll get called a snitch, but otherwise he's fine. I've reassured him he did the right thing. He's quite popular at school and has never been bullied or received anything like this before. The two boys are normally good friends and have a lovely friendship group. They've known each other several years, had playdates etc..

My question is, is it enough just to raise this with the boys mum, or would you also mention something to school? (I'm just quite shocked at the language and venom coming out of a 10yr old. I'm a bit worried about the boy to be honest.. Also a bit worried because another child might get v upset by this kind of message. My son has another friend that is very vulnerable and has sen and the boy that sent the message previously had a falling out with this child. If he sent such a text to this boy, or another like him, it would likely quite severely impact them.)

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 01/12/2024 14:02

Tell the school as they are both at the school and have to see each other every day. The school needs to know so they can keep an eye on the situation.

You may find the mother is very very protective of her son, and may want to minimise it and you need the school to mediate. Otherwise can come across as you telling the other mother off.

Its not about vilifying the other boy, but the school getting to the bottom of why he did it and making sure he understands why it was wrong. In Year 6, they need guidance. You also need the school to make sure that your son's reporting of it is not resented.

WithoutACherryOnTheTop · 01/12/2024 14:01

I'd wait until I heard back from the mum. One of mine received a similar (though not so vile) text from a friend and it turned out they had been dared to send that message to everyone in their contacts and had done so. That was Y6 too. The mother was mortified and handled the situation herself; so reporting it to the school would have added an extra layer of stress in that case.

UrsulasHerbBag · 01/12/2024 13:57

DSs school actively want to know about incidents like this. There are a lot of safeguarding issues for both your DS and the other boy.

wonderingconcerned · 01/12/2024 13:56

Onlyonekenobe · 01/12/2024 13:51

I wouldn’t tell my kids’ school. What for? I don’t have all the information and I don’t know what the repercussions would be for the text sender. I’m totally against schools replacing parents, and becoming “hubs” for the raising of children.

I would raise it directly with both parents, not just the one I know more.

10yo boys are pushing all sorts of boundaries imo, really testing to see what they can get away with, how emboldened they can get away with being, and trying to assert themselves (which, given they have nothing to assert at 10yo, often manifests as hollow bravado). The rare one who does have something to assert (the ones who are exceptional at something) tend not to behave like this. But generally speaking this is quite age appropriate, even if it’s shocking to us because of the language used (you can’t walk down a street these days without hearing some form of swearing, it seems).

I didn’t allow my DC tech at that age, but it seems you have a healthy approach to it as a family so I don’t think there’s anything to address there. WhatsApp was just the medium by which the sending boy expressed something. It could just as well have been playground chat.

See what the mother says and take it from there. It may not have been her child who sent the message from that phone. And certainly no, I wouldn’t be telling the school.

The actions of the sender are a criminal offence with a punishment of up to 5 years in prison - the OP should take this to the police.

The OPs son is 'lucky' - many children have taken their own lives in similar circumstances.

cardibach · 01/12/2024 13:56

BodenCardiganNot · 01/12/2024 13:02

Restating, please, please, please send an email to the Headteacher, who is likely the safeguarding lead, of your school now

Do you not think the head teacher is entitled to have a Sunday off work??

Emails have this handy feature where you can open them when it suits you.
Sending it now would mean for sure the Head will see it as soon as (s)he gets to work tomorrow.

30percent · 01/12/2024 13:52

Comtesse · 01/12/2024 11:11

No 10 year old needs access to Whatsapp, sorry.

I mean I disagree with kids having smartphones too but this comment doesn't help the kid is a vile shit and could easily have sent that over text or said it to ops son's face. Not having WhatsApp wouldn't of stopped it

cardibach · 01/12/2024 13:52

notacooldad · 01/12/2024 12:20

Bit whataboutery and victim blaming here ... this vile abusive content could have been communicated equally on a text. Lets not derail.
I don't think it's victim blaming at all. Some parents dont help their children to stay safe via their phones, they let them go on WhatsApp and Snapchat. In fact phones have given people a false sense of security.

I think they need to get to the bottom of who actually sent the text and why. If it was his friend there's a lot to unpick why he has done this.
It's an upsetting thing to have happened ed and understably the lad is going to be bewildered why is frie d has seemingly turned on him.

the message could have been sent by regular text. It having been sent on WhatsApp is irrelevant.

Onlyonekenobe · 01/12/2024 13:51

I wouldn’t tell my kids’ school. What for? I don’t have all the information and I don’t know what the repercussions would be for the text sender. I’m totally against schools replacing parents, and becoming “hubs” for the raising of children.

I would raise it directly with both parents, not just the one I know more.

10yo boys are pushing all sorts of boundaries imo, really testing to see what they can get away with, how emboldened they can get away with being, and trying to assert themselves (which, given they have nothing to assert at 10yo, often manifests as hollow bravado). The rare one who does have something to assert (the ones who are exceptional at something) tend not to behave like this. But generally speaking this is quite age appropriate, even if it’s shocking to us because of the language used (you can’t walk down a street these days without hearing some form of swearing, it seems).

I didn’t allow my DC tech at that age, but it seems you have a healthy approach to it as a family so I don’t think there’s anything to address there. WhatsApp was just the medium by which the sending boy expressed something. It could just as well have been playground chat.

See what the mother says and take it from there. It may not have been her child who sent the message from that phone. And certainly no, I wouldn’t be telling the school.

cardibach · 01/12/2024 13:49

Allfur · 01/12/2024 12:13

Why have they got phones

Irrelevant. The message could have been sent on paper.

Beargrins · 01/12/2024 13:48

I'd definitely tell the school and if I was parent of the child who sent this, I'd be extremely concerned too.

wonderingconcerned · 01/12/2024 13:48

This is how serious this text was - encouraging someone to 'self harm' (ie as far as to kill themselves in this case) is punishable by up to 5 years in jail whether the victim self harms or not. They didnt pass this law because these actions had no devasting consequences.....

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/trolls-who-encourage-serious-self-harm-to-face-jail

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/about-us/news-opinion/2023/2023-09-19-the-online-safety-bill-has-been-passed-in-a-momentous-day-for-children/

Trolls who encourage serious self-harm to face jail

New offence for encouraging serious self-harm with perpetrators facing 5 years behind bars.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/trolls-who-encourage-serious-self-harm-to-face-jail

lolly792 · 01/12/2024 13:42

WhatsApp is far more likely to be used by young people at least 3 years older than the OP's son, which is why some posters have been critical of it. We don't know for sure if the friends did sent the WhatsApp message, or if someone else influenced him. As a pp said, WhatsApp is seen very differently be teenagers than traditional texting

Doliveira · 01/12/2024 13:41

There isn’t any reason at all to not share this information with the school. Don’t keep quiet about it. Silence is a form of collusion, your son who received this text, and the boy that sent it, needs to see that this type of behaviour is taken seriously.

TheMadGardener · 01/12/2024 13:41

I am a primary teacher. Absolutely tell school, and ask for a meeting with the safeguarding lead rather than just trying to catch the class teacher. They will want to know and this may add to a pattern of evidence about something going on with that child about which you are not aware. He may be being abused or bullied by older children or exposed to inappropriate things.
I'd also take WhatsApp off your child's phone.

It's good to keep checking his phone too.

When I taught Y6 in London we had an absolutely horrendous outbreak of cyberbullying and had to get the police involved. Not to mention Y6 girls in nightwear Facetiming adult men when their parents assumed they were asleep. Take your child's devices out of their rooms at night!!!

PassingStranger · 01/12/2024 13:41

AutumnLeaves1990 · 01/12/2024 12:58

Has the mum replied to you? I'd be mortified if my child had sent something like this 😔

How do you know someone else hasn't got the phone and don't it. Dosent mean the actual friend did it.
I'd hope to get some sort of response from the mum and block his number in the meantime.

cardibach · 01/12/2024 13:39

Curtainqueen · 01/12/2024 11:42

Surely you must understand that a 10 year old would not have been exposed to this message if you had not disregarded the age restrictions? This is nothing to do with parenting choices. It's common sense. We have all seen the headlines of dreadful things happening as a result of messages received on social media. There's a reason age restrictions are put in place. You are only in this predicament now as a result of giving him access to a platform he was already deemed by its creators not to be old enough to use. This isn't about complaining to other parents or schools. It's about protecting our children from being exposed to the evils of social media in the first place. Get him some Lego or something. He has a whole lifetime to be dealing with vile messages online.

The message would have been sent by text if there was no WhatsApp. It’s not social media in the sense you mean. It’s no different from traditional messaging (which can be done on a ‘dumb’ phone too).

JawsCushion · 01/12/2024 13:39

This has reminded me of a tragedy I read about. A teenage girl was told to kill herself by bullies in school. She did.

TeacherMcTeacherface · 01/12/2024 13:37

Teacher here (obv).

I can tell you that this sort of incident happens every single year without fail in probably every Y6 class up and down the country.

The staff can teach eSafety lessons until they're blue in the face, telling kids that this is unacceptable, blah blah blah and the kids instantly forget everything they know when at home on apps like WhatsApp, TikTok, etc. It's such a grey area as schools have absolutely no power in removing devices or access at home. That's 100% on the parents. School should be aware of it though.

And it IS different from writing something horrible on paper. Namely as it can be shared numerous times and never reliably deleted.

Be prepared for the mother to deny her child had any part in it - the amount of times parents have insisted their kids don't even KNOW those horrible words even when presented with a screenshot is mind-boggling...

cardibach · 01/12/2024 13:35

Curtainqueen · 01/12/2024 11:12

I thought they weren't allowed on WhatsApp until 13 anyway? This is why children need protecting from social media.

Edited

It’s not social media. It’s a messaging app. Same as text messages - just sometimes cheaper.

cardibach · 01/12/2024 13:34

Comtesse · 01/12/2024 11:11

No 10 year old needs access to Whatsapp, sorry.

It’s literally just messaging. The OP has limited that to just friends.

HowToSaveAWife · 01/12/2024 13:32

I would email the school headteacher today so it's on the radar first thing in the morning. But I would send the email before the mum replies because I wouldn't want to be discouraged from doing so in an apologetic text. You have to protect your child and you have a duty to report safeguarding concerns for the other child.

ohyesido · 01/12/2024 13:31

That is nasty.

I'd be thankful that that isn't the act of me or any of my children

FlamingoQueen · 01/12/2024 13:28

Please mention it to the school. There could be many other things that this child has done and it could be another piece of the jigsaw. If he’s using foul language he will be hearing it from somewhere and school may already have concerns. I can promise you that they will take you seriously (but may not say much!). Ask for the safeguarding lead.

Blarn · 01/12/2024 13:26

The swearing would annoy me but the sexual language I would definitely raise with the school.

MrsWhites · 01/12/2024 13:25

100% mention it to school, apart from anything else (safeguarding etc as others have said), your son is likely to feel quite sensitive tomorrow so they need to keep an eye on the situation.

Make sure you tell him to hold his head up high in this situation, he absolutely did the right thing in telling you but as others have said if he’d prefer to blame you for checking his friend let his teacher know he would rather this be the narrative.