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How to word in my will that I don't want estranged parent at my funeral?

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sarah010179 · 01/12/2024 09:29

with the new year approaching, I'm getting my financial affairs and paperwork in order. One of the things will be to write a will.
I have an outline of my wishes and one of the most important things to me is that an estranged (very toxic) parents does not attend my funeral or graveside. How do I word this in a professional but clear sounding way? Unfortunately, I have no faith that my other parent would respect this wish (they have form for going against my wishes on serious matters), so I want it written in some kind of official, unambiguous way that the estranged parent doesn't attend and gets asked to leave/removed if they show up. Ideas?

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Onlycoffee · 01/12/2024 11:38

How do you think it will be enforced? If a person wants to attend and doesn't listen to the funeral director, I suppose they could call the police but I'm not sure the police will attend unless there is a crime.
You could allocate finances for a security guard to deter the person.

Have you spoken to the other parent? Perhaps threaten them with also not attending if they allow the person you don't want there.

Honeycrisp · 01/12/2024 11:35

OP do you have someone who you could trust to sort out your funeral not to tell either parent about anything? That's the most likely way to get what you want. Nothing has to be publicised, and you don't have to have a grave or permanent memorial anywhere public either. They can't visit what's not there.

If you don't, then I'm not sure the funeral directors are going to be able to do much given that they won't have the right to make someone leave a funeral. In which case it might be better to make your peace with it.

Negligence1 · 01/12/2024 11:34

Catza · 01/12/2024 09:52

That’s not been our experience. When my grandfather passed away, we had no access to his will for months.

Not having access to a Will for months, sounds so wrong. What happened to your dgf’s estate in the months before his Will became available, regarding property insurance, utility bills, any benefits, pensions or personal bequests etc.? Some things just can’t wait for months to be dealt with.

When my dm died, my elder brother started making decisions about her estate, within 2 hours of her death. I informed him to stop as my younger brother was named as the executor and would be dealing with her estate. When he started arguing, I told him that she had given me a copy of her Will and this was her choice. The only thing my younger brother wouldn’t be dealing with was her funeral, as she wanted me to arrange this. I gave my younger brother the copy as soon as I practicably could. Elder brother was not happy, but it was dm’s choice!

It wouldn’t have been possible to carry out her last wishes, if we hadn’t had access to her Will for months.

Dotto · 01/12/2024 11:26

Ponoka7 · 01/12/2024 11:19

My mum's wouldn't email it. The funeral director picked her up from the hospital on presentation of the green hospital release slip. An appointment has to be made to pick up the death certificate, then time made to do everything else, alongside normal life. So you can get the will just as the funeral is happening (as said), but it isn't a necessity if there isn't family arguments going on etc. So we got my Mum's afterwards.

Death certificate picked up within a few working days, assuming will is lodged at a solicitor's, a couple of days to arrange a convenient time for the executor to then collect will. I would say it's a rarity for any will to not be seen before a funeral takes place, in the UK.

Thindog · 01/12/2024 11:25

You will be dead, you won’t know or care. Funerals are for the living, so let them sort it out.

Fupoffyagrasshole · 01/12/2024 11:25

But you’d be dead so how would you even know or care at that point

user6476897654 · 01/12/2024 11:22

Theres usually a line in a will stating ‘I wish to be cremated and scattered in the park’ or ‘buried at st Mary’s’ or ‘donate my body to medical research!’ So think it is usual that the will is looked at before the funeral. And totally normal to have a copy at home, ours are renewed every 10years or so, and there’s always a paper copy in hand.

I think it will be tricky to keep someone away that was determined to attend, particularly if the parent organising wants them there.
The only way i can think of is direct cremation - sorry this is something you are having to think about OP.

Fgfgfg · 01/12/2024 11:22

Catza · 01/12/2024 09:34

Your will is not going to be read before your funeral. There is a legal process which can take months before the will becomes available to the executor.

This is only true on tv. My nan told all of us where her will was kept so when she died it was opened. It contained instructions about the funeral as well as information about who was to look after the cats (me). It's probate that takes months, everything else is quite simple.
However, you can't ban someone from a funeral. My uncles tried and she turned up anyway. Cue lots of unnecessary drama at the graveside which was actually quite funny and nan would have enjoyed it.

Maurepas · 01/12/2024 11:21

This is not practical. Don't worry about it - it won't bother you at the time so somewhat ridiculous! Perhaps they may have a mea culpa moment anyway.

CranfordScones · 01/12/2024 11:20

Can we dispense with the nonsense that wills are read. There's no legal requirement for will reading and I've never known it to happen except in period dramas.

It's difficult to exclude someone from a funeral - especially if they're that sort of person, in which case other mourners will probably see them for what they are anyway.

My advice would be to care more about living a good life while you can.

Twatalert · 01/12/2024 11:20

OP, I hope it's ok to ask a question. You don't have to answer. Have you put anything in place that would prevent your parent from visiting your bedside in hospital if you were incapacitated? For example in a coma. If so, how does that work?

I want to put something in place for myself.

Ponoka7 · 01/12/2024 11:19

Dotto · 01/12/2024 10:47

The will is obtainable within maximum of a few days if it is being stored by a solicitor, upon presentation of the death certificate and the executor's ID.

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My mum's wouldn't email it. The funeral director picked her up from the hospital on presentation of the green hospital release slip. An appointment has to be made to pick up the death certificate, then time made to do everything else, alongside normal life. So you can get the will just as the funeral is happening (as said), but it isn't a necessity if there isn't family arguments going on etc. So we got my Mum's afterwards.

Ohnobackagain · 01/12/2024 11:18

@sarah010179 this would go better in an expression of wishes letter, which you can write to cover all kinds of stuff that wouldn’t go in the will, perhaps explaining reasoning etc.

You can be as clear as you like and can write more than one letter so you could just write one about the funeral saying you do not wish person X to attend.

NC10125 · 01/12/2024 11:15

This must be a hard topic to think about and organise, I think that you’re being really brave and I’m sorry you’re getting such difficult replies.

Id go for something like:

I have pre-organised my funeral because it is my specific wish that it is invitation only and that details about it not advertised or shared by word of mouth. My wish is that people who I had a close relationship with in life are able to attend if they wish and to celebrate my lift. It is my specific wish that (full name of parent), who I was estranged from in life, is not invited to the funeral, wake, or any other celebration of my life.

Cosyblankets · 01/12/2024 11:14

Catza · 01/12/2024 09:34

Your will is not going to be read before your funeral. There is a legal process which can take months before the will becomes available to the executor.

I was executor for my dad's will and i knew exactly what was in it.

Dotto · 01/12/2024 11:14

The only time I experienced a delay in finding out what was in a relative's will, was because the executor was lying to us and obfuscating things to their own advantage.

godmum56 · 01/12/2024 11:12

Catza · 01/12/2024 09:34

Your will is not going to be read before your funeral. There is a legal process which can take months before the will becomes available to the executor.

not necessarily. I collected the will from our solicitor the day after my husband died. In fact i already knew what was in it and of course executors, anybody in fact, can be given a copy by the testator. There is a legal process that needs to be followed before the executor can distribute the estate, but that isn't what you said?

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 01/12/2024 11:11

DrZaraCarmichael · 01/12/2024 09:40

Your will isn't executed until after your funeral. You can lay out your wishes for a funeral - my parents have done this and it proved very useful when dad died and there was none of this "what he would want" conversation as we already knew.

All you can do is write down your wishes and ask a trusted friend or family member to make it clear to the person you don't want to attend that they should not turn up - but this can only ever be a polite request, they are not breaking any law if they do turn up.

And in the nicest and kindest way possible, you will be dead and won't know whether they are there or not.

Your will isn't executed until after your funeral.

The contents of wills are made known to the executors immediately on death. The executors , depending on whether or not they are family members, may or may not be dealing with funeral arrangements.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 01/12/2024 11:07

Dotto · 01/12/2024 09:43

Where are people getting all these nonsense ideas about when a will is available and executed? American TV / films? There is no legal process in the UK that means an executor has to wait until after a funeral to access the will.

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It's utter nonsense- this idea that all the family gather round to be told who has inherited and who has been disinherited to astonished gasps and wailing.

wonderingconcerned · 01/12/2024 11:06

@NewFriendlyLadybird - you put it much better than me.

BabstheBounder · 01/12/2024 11:04

One of my relatives died recently. They prearranged their funeral and informed the funeral director that the cremation was to be immediate family only (as in spouse, child, sibling, parent, parent in law, sibling in law, twonaunts and their spouses) but the wake was more open.

These wishes were honoured.

@sarah010179 if you have specific wishes then you should prearrange your funeral with whatever clear directions you feel you need.

wonderingconcerned · 01/12/2024 11:04

I think the wider issue to be explored, faced or resolved is your relationship and contempt you have for your DM. She seems to be the one causing you angst.

This funeral scenario is a sort of 'helpless and hopeless' situation that you want to impact / control both your DPs.

But why not deal with those feelings now in life and put them to bed rather than live with this resentment and plot spoiler after your death?

You dont even have to 'face' your DM or DF - you just need to do some counselling so that you can unravel your issues and your DM behaviour doesnt emotionally trap you in the same silent rage way that it does currently. You need to be released from this toxic emotional dynamic if its preoccupying you to this degree especially given that the ages/timings is an unrealistic scenario.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 01/12/2024 11:02

Catza · 01/12/2024 09:34

Your will is not going to be read before your funeral. There is a legal process which can take months before the will becomes available to the executor.

Why do posters who clearly know nothing about this post such nonsense?

I'm a solicitor. The will is checked as soon as the death is known. Many wills contain explicit instructions about funeral and burial arrangements. These directions don't however have to be followed.

MissMoneyFairy · 01/12/2024 11:01

Flamez · 01/12/2024 10:38

Have a direct cremation. Then your family can have a wake in their own time to celebrate your life. We did this with FIL.

This. Prepay for a direct cremation with no attendees, that's the easiest and those who care can say goodbye privately.

Compash · 01/12/2024 11:01

Being light-hearted for a moment, can you make a bequest in their name to a charity you know they would hate? And have that announced at the funeral?

Sorry to to hear you find yourself in this position, but please try not to let them get to you too much - they're not worth the headspace...

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