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Nowhere to live over Christmas, advice needed

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Bakewellbits · 30/11/2024 21:29

I was meant to be completing on my first home this weekend, but the seller pulled out last minute, despite pressuring me for weeks to exchange - there was a legal issue outstanding that took a few weeks for solicitors to resolve, not a big deal, or my fault, but obvs needed sorting. Then at point of exchange the seller decided not to move afterall. I'm devastated.

I've given notice on my rental flat and new tenants are moving in soon. I have nowhere to go now, there are hardly any rentals around that I can afford. Airbnbs costs a bloody fortune. I need to be able to commute to work in London 3-4 days a week. I've spent 20 years saving for my deposit, I can't afford to go throwing several grand away on an Airbnb for several months while I get my shit together finding a new rental or place to buy - then I'll never be able to afford to buy. I have no family left, and no close friends any more so can't stay with anyone.

Any advice? And yes, things could be worse, I could be completely broke and homeless, so at least I'm lucky enough to have some funds.

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DahliaRose3 · 05/12/2024 20:04

How are you getting on OP?

PurpleHiker · 02/12/2024 12:12

Join the 'Wallington Surrey' facebook group and ask there if anyone has a spare room. There are 59.5k members on that group and someone may be able to help. There are direct trains to London Bridge from Wallington and it's only a short drive or bus journey from Coulsdon. Good luck, I hope you find somewhere.

Startinganew32 · 02/12/2024 08:26

Not quite, I said it was plainly untrue that you cannot rescind your notice. You can, by mutual agreement.

LOL you can do more or less anything by mutual agreement. Not helpful here where of course the landlord isn’t going to miss out on the new tenants in order to let the OP stay three months longer until she finds another property to buy.

Lollypop25 · 01/12/2024 21:33

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 21:27

You've quoted Citizens Advice Scotland and OP lives in England. <slow clap>.

Next time be more specific that it would need to be by mutual agreement when you say OP can rescind her notice.

(Again, how am I "misquoting" you? The posts are there for everyone to see.)

Not the slow clap 😂 could you be anymore arrogant? For what purpose?

Personally, I'm ensuring OP is aware that rescinding notice by mutual agreement is an option so they are aware of their options.

For what reason and to what end you are arguing so specifically on this point (sponsored by Shelter) is unknown but the facts are facts.

You have a lovely evening Emma.

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 21:27

Lollypop25 · 01/12/2024 21:24

Not quite, I said it was plainly untrue that you cannot rescind your notice. You can, by mutual agreement.

This is an unhelpful conversation to OP and I'd suggest you look for alternative sources or practise source verification as you've already misquoted me and Shelter is sharing only very basic information.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/housing/ending-a-tenancy-s/leaving-a-tenancy/#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20a%20private%20residential%20tenancy&text=If%20you%20change%20your%20mind,permission%20by%20writing%20to%20them.

"If you change your mind, you can withdraw your notice with the landlord's permission by writing to them. You should do this as soon as possible in the same way as you sent the notice. Keep a copy for your records."

I won't be engaging in your point scoring anymore, fact is you can, by mutual agreement, rescind your notice. So suggesting OP ignore those that say it is an option is bad advice.

You've quoted Citizens Advice Scotland and OP lives in England. <slow clap>.

Next time be more specific that it would need to be by mutual agreement when you say OP can rescind her notice.

(Again, how am I "misquoting" you? The posts are there for everyone to see.)

Lollypop25 · 01/12/2024 21:24

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 21:17

"You cannot withdraw a valid notice if you change your mind.
Your landlord may agree to let you or other joint tenants stay on after a notice ends."
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/private_renting/ending_a_periodic_tenancy/how_much_notice

If you want to argue that I am "misquoting" Shelter (how is it misquoting if I'm using C&P?!) please do enlighten us as to the correct reading of those very clear words.

Not quite, I said it was plainly untrue that you cannot rescind your notice. You can, by mutual agreement.

This is an unhelpful conversation to OP and I'd suggest you look for alternative sources or practise source verification as you've already misquoted me and Shelter is sharing only very basic information.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/housing/ending-a-tenancy-s/leaving-a-tenancy/#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20a%20private%20residential%20tenancy&text=If%20you%20change%20your%20mind,permission%20by%20writing%20to%20them.

"If you change your mind, you can withdraw your notice with the landlord's permission by writing to them. You should do this as soon as possible in the same way as you sent the notice. Keep a copy for your records."

I won't be engaging in your point scoring anymore, fact is you can, by mutual agreement, rescind your notice. So suggesting OP ignore those that say it is an option is bad advice.

Leaving a tenancy

This page explains how you can legally leave a private or public tenancy, and common problems such as leaving belongings behind or being owed money by the landlord.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/housing/ending-a-tenancy-s/leaving-a-tenancy#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20a%20private%20residential%20tenancy&text=If%20you%20change%20your%20mind,permission%20by%20writing%20to%20them.

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 21:17

"You cannot withdraw a valid notice if you change your mind.
Your landlord may agree to let you or other joint tenants stay on after a notice ends."
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/private_renting/ending_a_periodic_tenancy/how_much_notice

If you want to argue that I am "misquoting" Shelter (how is it misquoting if I'm using C&P?!) please do enlighten us as to the correct reading of those very clear words.

Shelter icon

How much notice to give your landlord - Shelter England

You can end a rolling or periodic tenancy with a notice to quit. Your notice must give the right amount of notice and end on the right day. Use our template.

https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/private_renting/ending_a_periodic_tenancy/how_much_notice

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 21:13

Lollypop25 · 01/12/2024 21:08

It's well known that notice can be rescinded by mutual agreement, and you're giving bad advice by misquoting Shelter which could leave vulnerable people scared and afraid. Do better.

Ah but at no point did you specify that it has to be by mutual agreement. You implied that the tenant can just rescind their notice. Actually the landlord has to agree to let them stay beyond their notice ending.

Lollypop25 · 01/12/2024 21:08

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 21:06

@Lollypop25
How do you explain this, then?
Can you share a reference confirming that you are right and Shelter Legal is wrong?

It's well known that notice can be rescinded by mutual agreement, and you're giving bad advice by misquoting Shelter which could leave vulnerable people scared and afraid. Do better.

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 21:06

AnotherEmma · 30/11/2024 23:34

Oh and please do ignore the posters telling you to "rescind" your notice; you can't do that. Your tenancy will end when it was due to end, and if you did stay, your landlord wouldn't need a court order to evict you.

From Shelter Legal:

Status of tenants after notice period expires
A valid notice to quit (NTQ) served by the tenant will end their periodic tenancy. The tenancy ends when the NTQ expires.
Former tenants who can be lawfully evicted without a court order after their notice expires
The following occupiers can be lawfully evicted without a court order if they remain in the property after the notice period they gave in a valid NTQ expires:
excluded occupiers
statutorily protected tenants
Statutorily protected tenants are:
Rent Act protected/regulated tenants
assured and assured shorthold tenants
[OP is an Assured Shorthold Tenant]
from https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/legal/renting/how_a_tenant_can_end_a_tenancy/occupiers_notice_to_end_a_periodic_tenancy_or_licence#status-of-tenants-after-notice-period-expires

@Lollypop25
How do you explain this, then?
Can you share a reference confirming that you are right and Shelter Legal is wrong?

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 21:04

Lollypop25 · 01/12/2024 20:57

Yes actually, I have a law degree and have worked in the industry for over a decade. That's how I know you're talking rubbish 💐

What's with the flowers?! Grin

Lollypop25 · 01/12/2024 20:57

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 09:49

Expert on housing law, are you?
It does annoy me when people make shit up on mumsnet.

Yes actually, I have a law degree and have worked in the industry for over a decade. That's how I know you're talking rubbish 💐

Youaintmymuvva · 01/12/2024 18:24

Here’s my deaf, partially blind, prone to slam hurling the cat, floofy rescue girl bun bun

Nowhere to live over Christmas, advice needed
Frannyhy · 01/12/2024 10:14

One of my airbnb guests from overseas was due to move into a rental property. She stayed with me on a temp basis while waiting for the previous tenant to move out. The previous tenant got let down on her property purchase and asked to stay, or be given some extra time until she found somewhere else.

My guest insisted on moving in on the agreed date, so she had to leave.

On moving out day, the landlord went round to find the previous tenant still there. He gave her until 6pm, then called the police when she wouldn’t move. They must have having a quiet night because they did go round after a few hours, and she was made to leave at 11pm with nowhere to go.

The next day the landlord changed the locks and got the property deep cleaned. My guest moved in as planned, while the previous tenant was left homeless.

LakieLady · 01/12/2024 10:09

Do you have a staff noticeboard at work?

We have one on our intranet, and there are often people looking for or offering rooms to rent short term.

Whyherewego · 01/12/2024 10:03

Bakewellbits · 30/11/2024 22:13

Thanks. I'm currently near Croydon and need to commute to London Bridge mostly. I was meant to be moving to Caterham/Coulsdon area.

Also I have a long term health condition and get fantastic care from my current hospital and GP surgery, which is not typically the norm, so would like to stay in the area for this reason too.

You don't have to tell you GP if you've moved, just forward your post.
Definitely look at housesitting, loads of people will need care for pets over Xmas. My DM is off on a long holiday in Jan looking for 3 weeks pet sitter as an example.
Put your stuff in storage and then just cope with a bit of uncertainty over the next month or two and either get back into a rental or find somewhere else to buy

Letmegohome · 01/12/2024 10:00

@StormingNorman it's like shouting "🐂💩" on someone's thread but with added mumsnet "wit" it's basically troll hunting and twatty . The comment was removed .

Dontcallmescarface · 01/12/2024 09:58

I'm not sure housesitting is an option as it would require a DBS check which could take weeks.

Lincslady53 · 01/12/2024 09:51

Just a thought. Are there any caravan parks nearby that may rent to you for a few weeks? If you are looking at longer term, could you buy a second hand caravan, park it on a site, one at Abbey Wood charges £23 per night, then, when you find a house sell the caravan? I don't know if this would be feasible but might be worth looking at.

AnotherEmma · 01/12/2024 09:49

Lollypop25 · 01/12/2024 09:44

That's plainly untrue. You can rescind your notice whenever you want.

Expert on housing law, are you?
It does annoy me when people make shit up on mumsnet.

theeyeofdoe · 01/12/2024 09:46

LadyGabriella · 30/11/2024 22:00

Likely at the end of the notice period is when the landlord could only attempt to apply for her eviction.

Evicting tenents is a lengthy process.

Is it, but if the OP ever wants to rent again, she will need a reference.

How about something like this until you find a new house to buy

https://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?featured=1&flatshare_id=17560712&search_id=&search_results=%2Fflatshare%2Fcroydon%2Fpage4

1 bed flat in centre of Purley

Purley : £1,150 pcm. Live-in Guardians is happy to present this spacious 1 bed flat in the heart of Purley. Description: £1150...

https://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?featured=1&flatshare_id=17560712&search_id=&search_results=%2Fflatshare%2Fcroydon%2Fpage4

Lollypop25 · 01/12/2024 09:44

apat93 · 30/11/2024 21:52

That's not necessarily true. Only a tenant or the courts can end a tenancy and as OP has given notice she would have to leave on the date stated. If the landlord had issued a section 21 to ask her to leave you'd be correct. Once notice is given by the tenant there's no going back.

That's plainly untrue. You can rescind your notice whenever you want.

StarCurator · 01/12/2024 09:40

I am so sorry that you are in this situation, OP. Frankly, the system in the UK for buying and selling property is appalling, and the scenario of vendors pulling out because they've changed their mind happens very often, and should not be possible. Please have a hug from me. There are good suggestions on this strand, so not much to add, but to recap:

i) housesitting: TrustedHousesitters seems to be more a pet-sitting agency than homesitting one per se, and I think that they stipulate that you can't leave a pet for more than three hours, but worth looking into. For Christmas holidays, if you get that time off, and like animals, there is a nice cat-sitting gig in Croydon: https://www.trustedhousesitters.com/house-and-pet-sitting-assignments/united-kingdom/england/croydon/l/1814481
You pay an annual fee (I think £200) and no money exchanges hands for rent.

ii) University Rooms: you can rent a room during the university holidays. I've stayed in central London, and it was fine; en suite room and shared kitchen, so not fancy, but nicer than a cheap hotel;
ii) as others have said, best thing to do is to put your possessions into self-storage, which gives you a lot of flexibility. Worth getting started asap with the packing, and everything will be sitting safely in store for when you buy :-)
iii) look on Sparerooms for a house share. This is, of course, not ideal, but will be cheaper than your flat's rent was, and hopefully you can actually save money to finance your future purchase. When I bought my first flat I was living in a shared house with minimal possessions, and only had to give a month's notice, and that made it very easy to move.

Don't despair! It will take some time before you're in a place of your own, and may mean living in less than ideal circumstances, but you'll get there. Another hug!

House and pet sit in Croydon, United Kingdom

Sitter for Buster and Flo very close to London central.

https://www.trustedhousesitters.com/house-and-pet-sitting-assignments/united-kingdom/england/croydon/l/1814481?q=eyJmaWx0ZXJzIjp7ImFjdGl2ZU1lbWJlcnNoaXAiOnRydWUsImFzc2lnbm1lbnRzIjp7InJldmlld2luZyI6ZmFsc2UsImNvbmZpcm1lZCI6ZmFsc2V9LCJnZW9IaWVyYXJjaHkiOnsiY291bnRyeVNsdWciOiJ1bml0ZWQta2luZ2RvbSIsImFkbWluMVNsdWciOiJlbmdsYW5kIiwiYWRtaW4yU2x1ZyI6ImdyZWF0ZXItbG9uZG9uIiwiYWRtaW4zU2x1ZyI6ImxvbmRvbi1ib3JvdWdoLW9mLWNyb3lkb24ifX0sImZhY2V0cyI6W10sInNvcnQiOlt7InB1Ymxpc2hlZCI6ImRlc2MifV0sInBhZ2UiOjEsInJlc3VsdHNQZXJQYWdlIjoxMiwiZGVidWciOmZhbHNlLCJzdGF0cyI6W119

kitchenhelprequired · 01/12/2024 09:38

@Bakewellbits trying to think practically how much are you used to spending on rent and bills per month? The actual Christmas/NY period is going to be massively inflated in terms of costs for the likes of an Airbnb but outside of that period it might be possible to negotiate a much more realistic rate. How much stuff do you have which would need storing?

Presumably ideally you want to look for somewhere else to buy so it could be some months before you get through the process so need to plan for at least 3 months but not a rental with a 6 or 12 months minimum term as it puts you back in the same position.

Start looking at storage options now - prices vary by location so it's worth phoning several and also the unit size they have available will vary and you don't want to pay for a size you don't need just because it's the only thing available.

Caravan or mobile home out of season could be an option or finding someone looking for a lodger. Post on some local Facebook groups to see if anyone is looking. Mention that income from renting a room is tax free up to something like £7k a year.

BeanThereDoneIt · 01/12/2024 09:04

What a stressful thing to happen, I’m so sorry! Sorry if it’s been suggested already but you could look on spareroom for a short term room in a house share maybe? Your stuff could go into storage until you’ve managed to buy?

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