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catonmybed · 30/11/2024 18:20

girl, 12, has not been seen for four days missing twelve year old

I know it’s a Mail link but I haven’t seen this on the BBC homepage and I’m surprised it isn’t more high priority?

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Notmydaughteryoubitch · 02/12/2024 08:20

The Police have a system for rating risk in relation to missing episodes based on the known concerns, vulnerabilities, Intel etc. Generally media campaigns are only for children who are assessed as high risk. It's not that for children medium assessed there isn't significant work from police & social care (if as is often the case in care) but it's all behind the scenes. Honestly if every child that goes missing was in the press you wouldn't have much space for anything else sadly.

Startinganew32 · 02/12/2024 08:17

Ohnonotmeagain · 01/12/2024 11:07

It is absolutely not arbitary.

it may seem that way to you, but there will be details the police, family, social services etc know that can not be released to the public.

a risk assessment is done on every missing person. It only goes to public appeal if the risks of doing so outweighs the risk to the missing person.

bear in mind a public appeal can quite often increase the risk to a missing child, if theirs are people that can’t know where the child has been placed.

An extremely good point that I doubt many have thought about

MargotEmin · 01/12/2024 11:17

Jellycatspyjamas · 01/12/2024 11:02

I'd love to know what the official guidelines are for staff in eg children's homes in the event of a child going missing. Do they just assume they're a runaway, report and move on?

The staff in residential units/child’s homes are very aware that their young people are extremely vulnerable, they often know the kids are being manipulated, abused and exploited and have multiple supports in place.

The people who groom and abuse are incredibly skilled, they know exactly which buttons to press to get a child on the hook. They have money to bribe these kids away, to pay for transport and the kids themselves have vulnerabilities that make it very hard for them to navigate away from these people.

It’s a complex situation and I don’t know any care staff who “report and move on”, but they have relatively few levers to pull if a young person leaves the care home. They can’t lock them in.

There are strict procedures to follow in the event a child goes missing from care (and the registered manager is held accountable for these via Ofsted), usually a missing child will trigger a multi agency response and at the very minimum there will be a return home interview when the child is located, to try to understand the push and pull factors that led to the situation in the first place.

Ohnonotmeagain · 01/12/2024 11:07

ohyesido · 30/11/2024 18:57

Very few missing persons cases are high profile. Seems to be quite arbitrary

It is absolutely not arbitary.

it may seem that way to you, but there will be details the police, family, social services etc know that can not be released to the public.

a risk assessment is done on every missing person. It only goes to public appeal if the risks of doing so outweighs the risk to the missing person.

bear in mind a public appeal can quite often increase the risk to a missing child, if theirs are people that can’t know where the child has been placed.

Jellycatspyjamas · 01/12/2024 11:02

I'd love to know what the official guidelines are for staff in eg children's homes in the event of a child going missing. Do they just assume they're a runaway, report and move on?

The staff in residential units/child’s homes are very aware that their young people are extremely vulnerable, they often know the kids are being manipulated, abused and exploited and have multiple supports in place.

The people who groom and abuse are incredibly skilled, they know exactly which buttons to press to get a child on the hook. They have money to bribe these kids away, to pay for transport and the kids themselves have vulnerabilities that make it very hard for them to navigate away from these people.

It’s a complex situation and I don’t know any care staff who “report and move on”, but they have relatively few levers to pull if a young person leaves the care home. They can’t lock them in.

Sidebeforeself · 01/12/2024 10:47

CommanderMariettaHay · 30/11/2024 19:23

Thank you for your comment. I am quite disgusted by the laissez-faire attitude of some of the other posters. A vulnerable young girl missing should be every decent human being’s business. However this only counts for the right type girl of course, stable home with loving family. The young girl who possibly has corporate parents (shall have already experienced significant trauma to have corporate parents is not worthy of the same respect and concern for her welfare. This could have easily have been me, 30 years ago. Those who do not know the true horrors I experienced, do not understand why I struggle with imposter syndrome, self belief despite my degree, masters and now PhD level research in addition to holding down a full time demanding position. It is due to the laissez-faire attitude of individuals who believe children in the care system are worth less in your judgemental eyes. The emotional, physical and sexual abuse I experienced as a child was horrific. More horrific and traumatic was the attitude of the teachers and social workers and other adults who ignored and blamed me the child. Rather like the attitude of some Mums Net commentators.

Nobody is being laissez-faire . They are not saying the girls disappearance should be ignored, they are acknowledging why it is being kept low key. Nobody is saying it is right.

GreyCarpet · 01/12/2024 10:42

I am quite disgusted by the laissez-faire attitude of some of the other posters. A vulnerable young girl missing should be every decent human being’s business.

Those posters aren't saying it shouldn't or that people don't care, they are offering explanations as to why not all missing children cases make the national news.

CommanderMariettaHay · 01/12/2024 10:35

Then my question is what are you doing to challenge and change the system where by action is not taken immediately? This not a personal attack, however too many professionals merely comment and do not take action. Then when CEP adults speak up their views and experiences are dismissed or used an inspiration porn. You have most likely read the comments on this post. I would hope you can understand my why I am cynical and frustrated.

BakewellGin1 · 01/12/2024 07:09

My comment was not actually blaming the young person. I did not mean they are wealthy and should not need anything else, what I was trying to say is every level of support to try and meet needs is in place, however, sometimes the young person despite the levels of professional support offered and whatever care or support is put in place to keep them safe for whatever reason feels the need to re-enter the life which is causing them harm. This sometimes means that despite us reporting missing no action is taken for up to a week later as she is deemed a regular missing child despite the risks posed. This is not right and there should be an instant response however this is not always the case.

I actually know what pulls this young person back and I understand why fully, however the abuse suffered at the hands of those people and what she is exposed to means I wish she could be kept away from them.

This is certainly not the child's fault she cannot help the circumstance she was brought up and exposed to. I just hope she will eventually realise and help people keep her safe.

Coverage should be widely given to any young person missing to allow the quickest responses and best chance of them being found safe. Especially when they appear to know who the young person mentioned in OP is with. I pray she is found safe and is supported in getting the help she needs.

CommanderMariettaHay · 30/11/2024 23:20

BakewellGin1 · 30/11/2024 21:11

We have a young girl who accesses a placement with us. Age 14, in care, runs missing at least 3 days per fortnight sometimes for longer periods of time.
Unfortunately she is regularly found with family she should not be with, in the company of many older males and addicts.
It is not for lack of trying. She has access to health services, drug and alcohol services, counselling, sexual health, psychplogist, education, caring foster carers, funds to ensure she has everything she needs. She has transport, access to friends, clubs, groups the absolute works
But the pull to her old life is strong and she doesn't feel cared for by anyone so runs missing hoping to find the love she needs. Unfortunately this attracts the wrong people..

How dare this young girl be wanting to return to family. Returning to those who will no doubt be manipulating her to believe that thr professionals do not really care about her. They are just paid to care. The reality is that of course she is more likely to believe the family etc… your comment she has funds for everything she needs is actually quite offensive. I grew up in a wealthy environment, however reality was it was a cover up for abuse. The desire to feel loved is stronger than ‘funds’ being thrown at the issue. Of course lessons will be learnt, they always are along with blaming the child. Fortunately due to some successful policies and genuine professionals. Researchers and professionals who are actually Care Experienced Persons are challenging the narrative and prejudice views of the so-called professionals who blame the child and expect them to be grateful.

BakewellGin1 · 30/11/2024 21:11

We have a young girl who accesses a placement with us. Age 14, in care, runs missing at least 3 days per fortnight sometimes for longer periods of time.
Unfortunately she is regularly found with family she should not be with, in the company of many older males and addicts.
It is not for lack of trying. She has access to health services, drug and alcohol services, counselling, sexual health, psychplogist, education, caring foster carers, funds to ensure she has everything she needs. She has transport, access to friends, clubs, groups the absolute works
But the pull to her old life is strong and she doesn't feel cared for by anyone so runs missing hoping to find the love she needs. Unfortunately this attracts the wrong people..

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 30/11/2024 21:00

catonmybed · 30/11/2024 18:20

girl, 12, has not been seen for four days missing twelve year old

I know it’s a Mail link but I haven’t seen this on the BBC homepage and I’m surprised it isn’t more high priority?

The Mail for all its faults carries news items like this or news items on crimes against children and women which the "quality press" don't touch.

Wellingtonspie · 30/11/2024 20:19

She won’t be getting many shares or anything online because she just doesn’t look like a child. I loaded it up to see the image and she looks like a grown adult. Sadly will people see the picture and scroll by.

StaunchMomma · 30/11/2024 19:54

I agree that it's likely she will have been trafficked.

Someone in government really should be advocating better for these kids. The scumbags know to go after looked-after kids as they don't have parents to kick up a stink.

I'd love to know what the official guidelines are for staff in eg children's homes in the event of a child going missing. Do they just assume they're a runaway, report and move on?

The poor thing is 12, FFS. It's utterly sickening to imagine what is likely happening to her now.

I'd personally love to see every man caught visiting these kinds of establishments to pay for sex with trafficked women and girls forcibly castrated.

Jostuki · 30/11/2024 19:24

Children in care don't have loving parents to kick up a huge fuss and make appeals.

Many of these girls go missing repeatedly as in the case of Isabella and sadly it continues until someone sorts out this poor young girls life.

CommanderMariettaHay · 30/11/2024 19:23

Thank you for your comment. I am quite disgusted by the laissez-faire attitude of some of the other posters. A vulnerable young girl missing should be every decent human being’s business. However this only counts for the right type girl of course, stable home with loving family. The young girl who possibly has corporate parents (shall have already experienced significant trauma to have corporate parents is not worthy of the same respect and concern for her welfare. This could have easily have been me, 30 years ago. Those who do not know the true horrors I experienced, do not understand why I struggle with imposter syndrome, self belief despite my degree, masters and now PhD level research in addition to holding down a full time demanding position. It is due to the laissez-faire attitude of individuals who believe children in the care system are worth less in your judgemental eyes. The emotional, physical and sexual abuse I experienced as a child was horrific. More horrific and traumatic was the attitude of the teachers and social workers and other adults who ignored and blamed me the child. Rather like the attitude of some Mums Net commentators.

Styleislost · 30/11/2024 19:19

Our police force have a constant stream of posts on Facebook for missing children. Sometimes looked after children. Sometimes with someone.

Non make it to national news. Very few do.

Thankfully the vast majority turn up after a few days/weeks.

Massimoscupofcoffee · 30/11/2024 19:17

God this is awful!

Jostuki · 30/11/2024 19:17

Met Police are concerned for the welfare of a 12-year-old girl who is missing from home in Bexleyheath.
Isabelle Lindsay-Nandra, known as Bella, was last seen at 15:30hrs on Tuesday, 26 November, when she left school.
Officers believe that she caught a bus to Woolwich and then travelled to King George V DLR station, arriving at 22:00hrs.
She has been missing before, but never for this period of time.
She may be in the company of a man, described as Black, in his 20s with a small beard. He may be called Marshall or another name beginning with M.
She may also have been in the company of another man, described as South Asian, who had a physical fight with the other man.
Isabelle is 5ft 3ins in height. She was wearing school uniform with a black Canada goose coat and blue suede boots with bows on the back.
Enquiries are ongoing to identify the men and locate Isabelle. This includes analysis of available CCTV.
Anyone who may have seen Isabelle or who has information about her whereabouts or the people with her is urged to call 101 and quote REF 01/11301511_/24.

Jostuki · 30/11/2024 19:15

Shocking photo as she looks much older than 12.

Hope she is found safe and well.

KoalaCalledKevin · 30/11/2024 19:11

fullfact.org/online/missing-trafficked-children/

This is from a few years ago, but says there were 1,500 long term (>28 days) missing children in the UK.

And 75,000 children reported missing a year, with 80% resolved in 24 hours, but that still leaves many thousands not resolved in 24 hours.

It's awful. But not surprising when individual cases aren't reported on. It's more surprising really when cases do get attention.

Startinganew32 · 30/11/2024 19:08

It is worrying but it’s not going to make the front pages. It’s sad because she’s clearly very vulnerable.

catonmybed · 30/11/2024 19:06

The very things that people are saying make it not worrying (looks older, missing before, perhaps in care) make it worrying Sad

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Startinganew32 · 30/11/2024 19:00

eRobin · 30/11/2024 18:59

She was reported to be wearing a Canada goose coat or something and those are a lot of money. Local authorities wouldn’t pay for children to have those would they? Maybe she is just badly parented

Likely to be more sinister than that and one of those men or another adult male bought it for her. That’s what these sorts of people do. I think if she’d have been living with parents they’d have mentioned it.

eRobin · 30/11/2024 18:59

Startinganew32 · 30/11/2024 18:54

i think the ones who make the news is where it’s out of character and they’re feared to be dead. A 12 year old girl who looks about 17-18, is probably in local authority care and willingly goes with two men doesn’t fall into that category. Especially as she has gone missing before.

She was reported to be wearing a Canada goose coat or something and those are a lot of money. Local authorities wouldn’t pay for children to have those would they? Maybe she is just badly parented