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To think this was crappy parenting?

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Liesmorelies · 29/11/2024 20:47

This irritated me at the time and is playing on my mind now...

I took ds (5) to the park earlier with his younger brother. When we got to the play area it was empty apart from a girl around the same age as ds whose parents (presumably) were sitting on benches outside the play area, able to see her but not to hear anything unless it was shouting.

As soon as the dc and I entered the girl made a beeline for us, not surprisingly. She did the usual 5 year old thing of talking 'at' me, which was obviously fine. She was telling me about her school, her teacher etc etc. The problem was, ds kept trying to engage with her and was responding with details about his school and so on. Ds is a talker anyway and needs persuading to stop chewing my ear off and go on the slide! However, the girl was totally blanking ds and kept directing all her comments to me. I was replying but also trying to involve ds? 'That sounds good, ds likes that book too ....' only because he wanted to join in. The girl was resolutely ignoring him.

It went on like that for a little while and then suddenly ds just started howling and buried his face in my skirt, like a child in a story. He's not a big crier at all and has never done the burying his face thing before. I was completely taken aback. Of course we left, and as we crossed the playground, I saw the girl's adults staring at us and shaking their heads and as we passed them one of them said, 'oh dear.' I was pretty pissed off at that point. Their child was bored and lonely and needed some adult interaction and they were just sat there and then said 'oh dear' about my child! So I said, not particularly loudly, 'you might want to try interacting with your child...' No idea if they heard me though.

AIBU to think that their parenting was pretty shit?

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LadyKenya · 30/11/2024 16:15

Eyestothehorizon558 · 30/11/2024 16:05

Op I’m with you on this.

So many parents abdicate responsibility for looking after their dc bc they want some down time to drink their coffee or chat with friends at soft play, the park playground, or in coffee shops and restaurants. But they don’t give a crap about another parent’s time being monopolised by their dc!

Other children can only monopolise your time, if you allow them too. They are young enough to be distracted, and told to go, and play.

Marblesbackagain · 30/11/2024 16:13

Eyestothehorizon558 · 30/11/2024 16:05

Op I’m with you on this.

So many parents abdicate responsibility for looking after their dc bc they want some down time to drink their coffee or chat with friends at soft play, the park playground, or in coffee shops and restaurants. But they don’t give a crap about another parent’s time being monopolised by their dc!

So using a play ground in a child development appropriate way is now abdication of responsibility 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

I suggest you and op go read up on the theory of play.

Popihj · 30/11/2024 16:08

When Ds was 4 he used to insist on going into our local playground even when it was empty, quickly get bored and ask to go home. He only really liked it when it was busy and had other kids to play with. However, no amount of forewarning him about it worked. I used to agree to take him and let him play for a bit by himself till he indeed got bored - no amount of me entertaining him wotked because he wanted other people to hang out with. So I would probably have been that parent. However, this wasn't me being neglectful. It was me doing what my child wanted to do....

Eyestothehorizon558 · 30/11/2024 16:05

Op I’m with you on this.

So many parents abdicate responsibility for looking after their dc bc they want some down time to drink their coffee or chat with friends at soft play, the park playground, or in coffee shops and restaurants. But they don’t give a crap about another parent’s time being monopolised by their dc!

SereneFish · 30/11/2024 15:56

I'm bemused by the OP's fixation on the playground being empty. I don't think she realises that the idea is for children to play with the equipment, not randoms.

Marblesbackagain · 30/11/2024 15:54

Liesmorelies · 30/11/2024 11:51

It's a bit ironic that you're criticising the other parents for not paying attention to their child but it's your child who got upset because of.. you not paying attention to him.

As I keep saying, he didn't want my attention. He was upset that she kept ignoring his attempts to engage with her. I would have been happy for them to go off and play together and I would have focused on ds2, and that was what ds1 wanted too and is what often happens when we are in parks.

I agree with the second paragraph and that's what I'll do if it happens again, but I do still think that parents should keep a closer eye and ear on what is going on when their kids are in playgrounds etc. There is a middle ground between helicoptering around them (which I actually don't do) and plonking yourself down on a bench and resolutely deciding you're not budging until home time, which it seems to me is what a lot of people here are advocating.

You really aren't getting it. It is perfectly normal to allow children independent play in a playground. It is literally required for children to actually play in the true sense of the theory of play.

Parents don't go to playgrounds to play with their children. We do that outside of what ideally should be a children only zone.

Missmarymack2 · 30/11/2024 15:43

I hope they didn’t hear you because what you said was ridiculously rude. And passive aggressive .

SereneFish · 30/11/2024 15:41

So at this point you're still convinced they are crap parents?

Liesmorelies · 30/11/2024 15:39

It's because my son was so upset in a way that was so unusual for him that I knew that he would not shake it off if I had just stayed and tried to get him to play with her.

You seem to be pretty aggressive when it comes to your child, this will not endear you to other parents at school. This is a very bizarre comment. I was the opposite of aggressive and very nice to the girl, probably too nice judging from comments on here. I did make the comment but, as I said, I have no idea whether they heard - they were not right next to us, I didn't say it loudly and ds was crying. I'm not confrontational, which is probably part of the problem, but I get on fine with the parents at school and am definitely not aggressive!

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Anotherworrier · 30/11/2024 15:30

I have this at soft play sometime when I’m just trying to play with my child but someone’s else’s child is dominating my time and attention because their parents cba. I know it’s awful but I’ve now taken to just ignoring them.

Sceptical123 · 30/11/2024 15:27

BarbaraHoward · 29/11/2024 20:54

I'm torn tbh. I can see why you were annoyed, but...

At 5 that's the sort of age they can play independently and from their perspective it probably looked like you were all happily chatting. They may have thought you were helicoptering!

I think in this sort of situation where a child joins you and your DC isn't happy about it, you need to intervene yourself and get them to either listen or go play elsewhere.

I think as a working parent I go to the playground to spend time with my DC, but my SAHM friends go to get a break as they're already spending loads of time together. I think your comment probably came across as needlessly bitchy.

I agree. You sound massively judgemental. You were irritated at the young girl for not including your child (she’s 5 or around that- it wasn’t personal but you took it as a slight against him) also saying you obviously left - why did you have to go? She didn’t hit him or shout at him. Why didn’t you tell her you and your son were off to play on the equipment and distract him? He’d have likely been over it very soon.

Also them shaking their heads and saying oh dear is a typical reaction to when a child is upset or hurts themselves and is something I’ve done countless times myself to parents I don’t know but want to express sympathy for their child’s upset - stop taking things so personally, you assumed they were attacking your child 🙄 you are way too defensive and lashing out at ppl, accusing them of shit parenting bc it angered you to see your child upset and you over reacted.

Maybe you felt guilty bc you thought you should have halted the girl earlier and avoided your son getting upset in the first place, but it’s not her fault, she’s a small child, and her parents were keeping an eye on her and probably assumed you were happy to talk with her, as most parents would be. You seem to be pretty aggressive when it comes to your child, this will not endear you to other parents at school.

Delatron · 30/11/2024 14:48

If you normally watch from a distance why are you cross with them for doing exactly that and say it’s crap parenting?

It may have been hard to shake the girl. (I’d have tried though). You could have left your DS5 with her and wandered off and popped your younger one on the swing and been busy with him.

Either way, they weren’t crap parents and it’s a unusual reaction from your son.

Liesmorelies · 30/11/2024 12:38

@Delatron You're not reading what I'm writing - that is what I do (watch from a distance while monitoring ds2). Ds has no problems normally making playmates in parks and I have no issues in letting him get on with it. It was showing no sign of happening in this case. Fair enough, I was so taken aback by his extreme reaction that we left rather then me trying another tactic , but I strongly feel that the girl was going to keep up her attempts to engage me and would have followed me around whatever I had done. It's a small playground (in a large park) and there was no one else there, so not much to distract her, which is partly why I'm so sure she was bored before we arrived. I think I would have had to get pretty tough with her and I don't go to the playground to have uncomfortable interactions with other people's kids while they sit there blissfully unaware.

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Delatron · 30/11/2024 12:26

Liesmorelies · 30/11/2024 11:51

It's a bit ironic that you're criticising the other parents for not paying attention to their child but it's your child who got upset because of.. you not paying attention to him.

As I keep saying, he didn't want my attention. He was upset that she kept ignoring his attempts to engage with her. I would have been happy for them to go off and play together and I would have focused on ds2, and that was what ds1 wanted too and is what often happens when we are in parks.

I agree with the second paragraph and that's what I'll do if it happens again, but I do still think that parents should keep a closer eye and ear on what is going on when their kids are in playgrounds etc. There is a middle ground between helicoptering around them (which I actually don't do) and plonking yourself down on a bench and resolutely deciding you're not budging until home time, which it seems to me is what a lot of people here are advocating.

Don’t you wonder why a lot of people are advocating that? Because that’s what most parents do in the playground. Not follow them around the whole time.

Yes a 2 year old you need to make sure they’re safe. But you can watch a 5 year old from a distance.

He needs to learn that if someone doesn’t want to engage with him that’s fine. It was a problem because you were there, hovering around . And you allowed it to continue.

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 30/11/2024 12:15

Liesmorelies · 30/11/2024 11:51

It's a bit ironic that you're criticising the other parents for not paying attention to their child but it's your child who got upset because of.. you not paying attention to him.

As I keep saying, he didn't want my attention. He was upset that she kept ignoring his attempts to engage with her. I would have been happy for them to go off and play together and I would have focused on ds2, and that was what ds1 wanted too and is what often happens when we are in parks.

I agree with the second paragraph and that's what I'll do if it happens again, but I do still think that parents should keep a closer eye and ear on what is going on when their kids are in playgrounds etc. There is a middle ground between helicoptering around them (which I actually don't do) and plonking yourself down on a bench and resolutely deciding you're not budging until home time, which it seems to me is what a lot of people here are advocating.

But you left before they did so you've no idea if/how they interacted with him over the whole visit.

Liesmorelies · 30/11/2024 11:51

It's a bit ironic that you're criticising the other parents for not paying attention to their child but it's your child who got upset because of.. you not paying attention to him.

As I keep saying, he didn't want my attention. He was upset that she kept ignoring his attempts to engage with her. I would have been happy for them to go off and play together and I would have focused on ds2, and that was what ds1 wanted too and is what often happens when we are in parks.

I agree with the second paragraph and that's what I'll do if it happens again, but I do still think that parents should keep a closer eye and ear on what is going on when their kids are in playgrounds etc. There is a middle ground between helicoptering around them (which I actually don't do) and plonking yourself down on a bench and resolutely deciding you're not budging until home time, which it seems to me is what a lot of people here are advocating.

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kiraric · 30/11/2024 10:47

It's a bit ironic that you're criticising the other parents for not paying attention to their child but it's your child who got upset because of.. you not paying attention to him.

What I would have done in your position is say "it's been lovely to chat to you but I am here to play with my kids - DS, what shall we do?" And fine if she joined us but I wouldn't just keep chatting to someone else's child

Tourmalines · 30/11/2024 10:29

Leaving the park because your son had a melt down because he felt like he was being ignored was a big over reaction. She was just a 5 year old child . Such big drama!!

SkylarH · 30/11/2024 01:50

I'm struggling to see what the other parents did wrong here?

It sounds like the situation upset you, and you're misdirecting your sadness/frustration towards them.

PotOfViolas · 30/11/2024 01:25

If my dc was being blanked and left out I'd have started talking directly to them so they weren't left out, or got up and offered to push them on the swing or something to stop then being blanked. I wouldn't let the other kid direct things.

Marblesbackagain · 30/11/2024 01:14

Liesmorelies · 29/11/2024 22:00

Right - so it's great parenting to take your child to a deserted playground where they stand there showing no interest in doing anything and you sit well away from them just letting them stand there. You're not teaching them/allowing them to play with other children as there are none there! You are just sitting there. Fine, we all do it sometimes. But it is a bit crappy. I feel there are a lot of smug parents who congratulate themselves on how much independence they give their children while remaining blissfully unaware of what actually goes on with their children in the park.

Eh its called independent play, loads of books in it maybe look into it since you had a child clinging to you?

Happyhappyday · 29/11/2024 23:54

We’re working on our DC being more independent and if they’re bored, figuring it out themselves. I probably would intervene if it looked like they were irritating another parent… but honestly your son also didn’t have the social skills to understand she didn’t want to play with him… and you didn’t have the parenting ability to politely and firmly say, I’m here to play with my child, I can’t chat anymore and send her on her way soooo…

Your way looks sounds like the engaged way in the short term, but in the long term, we need to teach our kids to be resilient and independent and that includes handling when another adult sends them on their way, as you should have for that child.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 29/11/2024 23:36

I don't get how you can criticise this child's social skills and not your child's. One child didn't include everyone in the conversation and wanted to interact with you alone, the order threw a tantrum due to not being included. Most 5 year olds don't have the level of empathy to understand their actions lead to someone feeling left out, but most would have enough social skills and self regulation to not start howling.

As the adult it's on you to handle the situation. Yes kids can be annoying in situations like this but they are easily dealt with and they need to be told clearly what to do, they can't be expected to pick up on subtle social cues. You dont have to be rude to a child but its ok to make it clear you dont want them hanging around. Phrases like: 'Tom is here to play, why don't you play with him. I'm having quiet time over there on the bench.' Or 'it's play time now not talking time'. Or 'if you want to talk go talk to your Mum over there, I'm talking to Tom now'. Or 'its been nice talking to you but I'm finished talking now. Bye'. Or 'This is Tom he would like to play with you, why don't you go to the slide together' etc.

Oblomov24 · 29/11/2024 23:29

Eh? Why didn't you just stop talking to her and go off and play with ds?

Plus why was he so upset? Odd reaction.

Jk987 · 29/11/2024 23:07

Many kids that age don't know about etiquette and involving others in conversations. It's not her fault nor bad parenting.