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No snowboarding on school ski trip

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Gentillie · 28/11/2024 18:30

This is so frivolous I know!

My DD is Y8 she has two very close friends and they are all going on the school ski trip in January. Today one of the friends dad has complained in our group chat non stop about how they aren’t allowing his daughter to do any Snowboarding, he claims he’s offered to send her with equipment etc.
Now when it comes to it, it’s because his daughter is better at snowboarding, she’s been going on a trip with her dad every half term since she was a child and always doing private snowboarding lessons. He keeps making it clear she can ski but isn’t as advanced.
He’s now asked a slightly larger group chat of parents 7 kids worth, to join him in complaining to the school as it’s unfair she won’t get to snowboard.
One of the parents has pointed out that it will be because for lessons they will split into ability groups and even if they made a snowboard group she’d probably be too advanced as it would be a small minority who would pick it.
Others have agreed it’s very unfair and will be joining him in complaining.

AIBU to think he’s being very precious and his DD can ski with everyone else for 5 days? Is this normal in your kids school or do they let them ski or snowboard.

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AnnaMagnani · 28/11/2024 19:46

He does realize that his Olympic level snow boarding daughter will be stuck in snow board school with a bunch of beginners?

I did a school trip once doing the one sport I was actually good at. I thought it would be amazing and finally my moment to shine. Actually it was shit as I was so bored and of course everything was constrained to be as safe as possible.

I never ever made that mistake again. School trips are not like family holidays.

Saschka · 28/11/2024 19:46

Dd has been on a school ski trip and at least one if not two teachers were with every group on the slopes. So if there was only one (or even a few) boarders you’d need extra staff

That’s never been the case with any of our trips - you get dropped off with your ski instructor and then are free until dinner time at 6pm. Which is how all the high jinks happen (buying alcohol in the supermarket in Andorra aged 14, etc).

Another2Cats · 28/11/2024 19:45

Gentillie · 28/11/2024 18:55

Out of curiosity, others who have kids who have done ski trips, have both skiing and snowboarding been offered?
The school runs the trip annually so while he’s being a total A-hole this year he might have a point asking for it to change next year if this is something that actually is possible.
It’s about 50/60 kids a year but I don’t know how many are in the lessons.

"It’s about 50/60 kids a year but I don’t know how many are in the lessons."

You're saying that 50/60 kids from the school go on this skiing trip every year?

That seems a huge number to me. Where I come from only about 10 or 15 ever went on a skiing trip. That is from a school with around 1,700 pupils. I imagined it was something similar, but 50-60 is a huge number.

If you've got 50-60 kids going on the trip then there are clearly going to be very different levels and there are going to be multiple different groups for lessons.

In that situation I would be surprised if snowboarding was not an option.

Gentillie · 28/11/2024 19:43

EmotionalSupportPotato · 28/11/2024 19:41

I mean I think if OP put that snowboarding is way easier so she's surprised they don't offer it then this man will probably be OUTRAGED

He’s taken time to point out that he does “get it” somewhat as snowboarding is much harder?
Just to make sure we all know how talented his lovely DD is!

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Littletreefrog · 28/11/2024 19:43

Mumtobabyhavoc · 28/11/2024 19:42

I think it's rather restrictive to insist inly skiing can be done. Snowboarding has been around since the '90's fgs.

School trips are by their nature restrictive.

Pottedpalm · 28/11/2024 19:43

Gentillie · 28/11/2024 19:24

Because it’s in term time so if he pulls her out and takes her snowboarding it will be a term time holiday.

I see; thank you, I missed that.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 28/11/2024 19:42

I think it's rather restrictive to insist inly skiing can be done. Snowboarding has been around since the '90's fgs.

DanielaDressen · 28/11/2024 19:42

Babycote · 28/11/2024 19:19

I feel like a lot of people commenting haven't skied very much.
The extra equipment is trivial, it all comes from the same place.
The staff ratios are the same, teachers wouldn't ski with the kids anyway.
The slopes are the same
The only thing that is different is you would have a dedicated snowboard lesson.

I’ve been on about 20 ski holidays and I ski and snowboard. Dd has been on a school ski trip and at least one if not two teachers were with every group on the slopes. So if there was only one (or even a few) boarders you’d need extra staff.

Ultimately teachers volunteer for this, if no teacher wants or can board then there is no boarding.

EmotionalSupportPotato · 28/11/2024 19:42

JudgeJ · 28/11/2024 19:40

Are you a teacher at the school?? They would be heaving a sigh of relief to be rid of his poor daughter and his pretentious gripes.

No but he's a penis

Saschka · 28/11/2024 19:41

Gentillie · 28/11/2024 18:55

Out of curiosity, others who have kids who have done ski trips, have both skiing and snowboarding been offered?
The school runs the trip annually so while he’s being a total A-hole this year he might have a point asking for it to change next year if this is something that actually is possible.
It’s about 50/60 kids a year but I don’t know how many are in the lessons.

Yep, even back in the 90s our school trips were about 50/50 skiers and snowboarders. I can do both, but it literally wouldn’t occur to me that you wouldn’t be able to snowboard on a ski trip.

Much higher rate of injuries skiing as well, IME. Lots of knee and ankle injuries.

EmotionalSupportPotato · 28/11/2024 19:41

Cowboycorgi · 28/11/2024 19:05

Plus learning to ski can be a bastard if you don't take to it. Snowboarding is way easier & much more fun. Maybe the school will take it as a suggestion to offer it on future trips 🏂🏂

I mean I think if OP put that snowboarding is way easier so she's surprised they don't offer it then this man will probably be OUTRAGED

Notellinganyone · 28/11/2024 19:41

Plonker. He can complain all he likes. If he’s signed up to the school ski trip then he needs to accept their itinerary. He’s free to take his daughter himself and the trip’s not compulsory. I’m a teacher and parents like this are a nightmare.

thesunisastar · 28/11/2024 19:41

I'm in this position, in as much as DS is a moderately advanced snowboarder but a beginner skier, and his school trip is skiing only. Sure, it would be great if they were able to accommodate snowboarding, but I completely understand why they don't and I certainly wouldn't complain about it. It's not like it's compulsory!

To be fair to the dad here, if their school has previously always offered snowboarding and it wasn't made clear that this was no longer an option, I'm not surprised he is a bit pissed off IF he has already paid a deposit (or more). It's no excuse for the aggressive language though.

And if they're not yet committed to the trip, he is just being a twat.

JudgeJ · 28/11/2024 19:40

EmotionalSupportPotato · 28/11/2024 19:39

Oh goody I hope he does

Are you a teacher at the school?? They would be heaving a sigh of relief to be rid of his poor daughter and his pretentious gripes.

Yellowbananasarebetterthangreen · 28/11/2024 19:40

If she is not as advanced at skiing then this will be an excellent opportunity to advance her skiing skills. I hope the school continue to ignore his request.

schmeler · 28/11/2024 19:39

Margzarita · 28/11/2024 19:34

My children are too young to go on ski holidays with school yet. But I would he disappointed if they didn't offer snowboarding when my kids are that age.

Yes snowboarders are more likely to break wrists but skiiers are more likely to tear their ACL so I can't think that is the reason. Make wrist guards compulsory and this would pretty much do away with the wrist issue.

Why is it they are offering skiing and not snowboarding. There would be no difference in staff ratios so I don't see why they couldn't have both ski and snowboard lessons. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Edited

Yes there would be a difference in ratios. The ratio for high risk activities is 1:10 at high school.

20 kids go on the trip. 19 want to ski. 1 wants to snowboard. 2 staff needed.

The ratio is then 1:1 for the snowboarder and 1:19 for the skiers. The ski group are then out of ratio because of the snowboarder.

EmotionalSupportPotato · 28/11/2024 19:39

Oh goody I hope he does

DanielaDressen · 28/11/2024 19:38

Ultimately he should have clarified the situation before booking.

neverbeenskiing · 28/11/2024 19:37

StormingNorman · 28/11/2024 19:27

I also get the idea a lot of people don’t understand how interchangeable skiing and snowboarding are under the banner of “skiing”.

Contrary to my username, I was on skis as soon as I could walk, we went evey year as kids and I've continued to ski regularly as an adult. I still think he's being a dick.

Whether you're an expert skier, or you've never been on skis in your life it shouldn't be too hard to understand that schools, not parents, determine the activities on offer on school trips.

DanielaDressen · 28/11/2024 19:37

Gentillie · 28/11/2024 19:27

So another parent has joined in noting that this is the first year no snowboarding has been offered. Historically you had to be “above beginner level” and there had to be at least 4 kids wanting to do it. If only 4 wanted to it though they would have to pay more as the instructor would cost more per child.
Apparently the teacher who went with the snowboarders has left now so they just don’t offer it.

Well there you go, if there’s no teacher who can board then that explains it. The risk assessment will say a teacher needs to be there. If they did put boarding on the amazing dd would spend her whole week on a nursery slope watching a beginner teacher fall over. 😂

Ivyn · 28/11/2024 19:37

Margzarita · 28/11/2024 19:34

My children are too young to go on ski holidays with school yet. But I would he disappointed if they didn't offer snowboarding when my kids are that age.

Yes snowboarders are more likely to break wrists but skiiers are more likely to tear their ACL so I can't think that is the reason. Make wrist guards compulsory and this would pretty much do away with the wrist issue.

Why is it they are offering skiing and not snowboarding. There would be no difference in staff ratios so I don't see why they couldn't have both ski and snowboard lessons. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Edited

In that situation though you read the trip information and decide whether or not to send your child.

Not send your child and then moan, complain and threaten until the details of the trip are changed to suit your child.

Gentillie · 28/11/2024 19:36

Margzarita · 28/11/2024 19:34

My children are too young to go on ski holidays with school yet. But I would he disappointed if they didn't offer snowboarding when my kids are that age.

Yes snowboarders are more likely to break wrists but skiiers are more likely to tear their ACL so I can't think that is the reason. Make wrist guards compulsory and this would pretty much do away with the wrist issue.

Why is it they are offering skiing and not snowboarding. There would be no difference in staff ratios so I don't see why they couldn't have both ski and snowboard lessons. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Edited

So one of the parents who has older kids have said that they used to do snowboarding but now none of the teachers want to snowboard. Can see why that’s frustrating.
However someone else added a pic of the initial letter and it did state that only skiing would be offered this year due to staffing.

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Margzarita · 28/11/2024 19:34

My children are too young to go on ski holidays with school yet. But I would he disappointed if they didn't offer snowboarding when my kids are that age.

Yes snowboarders are more likely to break wrists but skiiers are more likely to tear their ACL so I can't think that is the reason. Make wrist guards compulsory and this would pretty much do away with the wrist issue.

Why is it they are offering skiing and not snowboarding. There would be no difference in staff ratios so I don't see why they couldn't have both ski and snowboard lessons. It doesn't make any sense to me.

EveryOtherNameTaken · 28/11/2024 19:34

What a dick.

He should take her snowboarding. This is a GROUP skiing trip.

ColdWaterDipper · 28/11/2024 19:34

No, my sons always go on their school ski trips (we are keen skiers and they have been skiing since they were tiny), and it’s made clear they not only have to ski but they have to do the morning ski school lessons. Now obviously my boys don’t go in ski school on our family ski holidays and haven’t ever done as I taught them when they were small, but I don’t complain and tell everyone they are too good for the advanced group. I just tell them to have fun, be well behaved and polite to the instructor. They get to do free skiing in the afternoons, but part of the trip is fitting in with what has been arranged and if I wasn’t happy with that, then I wouldn’t pay for them to go!

It sounds like the man is just trying to boast about how great a snowboarder his daughter is - sure he knew what he was signing up for? I would have thought he’d be pleased she was getting an opportunity to improve her skiing without it taking up their precious snowboarding time on family hols!