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To walk to nursery with two toddlers in the cold?

184 replies

Chillyoutthere · 28/11/2024 12:36

I like to walk to pre-school/nursery with my 3 and 1 year old children whenever possible. I enjoy it, I think they enjoy it, and I believe it’s better for us all to be outdoors instead of in a car.

The walk is about 25 minutes to pre-school, and then a further 15 minutes to nursery with a buggy and buggy board. Sometimes my husband will take one child and I’ll take the other (older one scoots in this scenario), which makes each journey about 20-25 minutes. Traffic is awful so it’s only about 5 minutes quicker in the car.

Obviously, it’s getting colder, which is leading lots of input from my MIL regarding our commute. She feels very strongly that it’s bad for kids to be outside in the cold (1C this morning). I am being told / texted multiple times a day that they will get ill, this is bad parenting and that I am selfish.

I disagree. I was brought up to believe that there’s no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes! Both kids were both wearing hats, gloves and snowsuits this morning.

So, dare I ask… AIBU?

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ZoeHS · 28/11/2024 22:27

As long as they’re wrapped up warm, they’ll be fine. Walking is better for overall health and the planet, plus your children will be used to walking distances so it will be beneficial in the long run. It also gives more opportunities for exploring and talking.

I’d take some cute photos of you all bundled up together on the journey and send them to your MIL.

Escaperoom · 28/11/2024 22:25

OK just seen that MIL comes from a country where they don't do cold weather. That might explain it then!

Escaperoom · 28/11/2024 22:13

I think this is strange. How old is MIL? Surely when she was a child it would have been quite normal to walk just about everywhere is all weathers? I am a GM and my DM never learned to drive and we didn't have a car when I was a small child - everyone walked. We all survived.

Maraudingmarauders · 28/11/2024 21:19

I send my son to a nursery that keeps the kids outdoors in 90% of the weather, all day every day. I think they'll survive (and thrive) in having a decent walk to and from school/nursery whilst warmly dressed.

JockTamsonsBairns · 28/11/2024 21:16

johnd2 · 28/11/2024 13:46

You're starting the habit of a lifetime for your children so your choice will probably stand them in good stead when private cars are not available to the general public in 50 years time!
I think the issue is grandparents often want to feel like they are being useful/indispensable and if they feel a bit sidelined then they look for any little opportunity to "help" even if it's not what you want.
Perhaps you could think up a task for them that's actually useful and say no thanks on the lifts but if they really want to help out can they do xyz instead that would be super helpful.
Then at least they can scratch the itch without driving you mad!

Obviously not the point of the thread, but why would private cars not be available to the general public in 50 years' time?

Okaygoahead · 28/11/2024 20:54

I'm baffled by the 3% who think you're being unreasonable when you're being very, very reasonable. I walked to school for years in a very cold country and it was never a problem at all.

Leavesandacorns · 28/11/2024 20:52

She's being ridiculous, surely they'll be playing outside at nursery anyway?

Walking is so much healthier than driving for most children, even in cold weather.

What does she think happens to children when it snows? She must know they all rush out to build snow men and have snowball fights as soon as there's a good covering.

DinosaurMunch · 28/11/2024 20:49

It's much colder to go by car because it takes ten minutes for the car to warm up and you aren't moving. I hate short car journeys in winter for this reason. By active transport you're always warm. I would use a thick sleeping bag type thing in the pram for the younger child.

Butterbean21 · 28/11/2024 20:45

As long as everyone is super cosy dressed she is being ridiculous and insulting you to get her point across is overbearing. My DS goes to an outside nursery in the north of Scotland. The kids all have wool base layers and really cosy suits on and wool balaclavas. He hasn't had so much as a cold so far.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 28/11/2024 20:40

No such thing as bad weather, just poor clothing choices - my Swedish friend 🤭

Chillyoutthere · 28/11/2024 20:12

kersh33 · 28/11/2024 16:53

Would it help to say that it contributes to their 3 hours of movement a day that they need to keep them fit and healthy?

My husband is from southern Europe and we often have similar discussions. He's always panicking about me taking DD swimming (inside!) when it's cold outside and then getting the tram home. It can be 15 degrees outside and he still wants me to put a woolly hat on her because she has wet hair. Hmm

Oh my goodness, you have my sympathies and solidarity!! We are up against the same genre of heated people!

This is why I’m struggling to get much of an intervention from my husband. He (not very) deep down fully agrees with her. Lets me get on with it out of resignation more than acceptance after many years!

He says that he can’t challenge her insistence on helping because the fear of the cold is genetic. He might be onto something. When my family joined his for Christmas and all insisted on the usual post-dinner walk in minus temperatures, her mind was genuinely blown. I think she’d been hoping from more support from them in discouraging me from walking thousands of steps a day with the (then) baby wrapped up snug in a sling. 😂😂

I will use some of the gentle methods of push-back you’ve all suggested. I’ve asked DH to stress, again, to MIL that she’s killing me with kindness. She is generally lovely and the kind of person who would do anything to help others. She’s not malicious at all. Just has a very, very, very different and unshakeable sense of… temperature.

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bakewellbride · 28/11/2024 19:54

Your MIL would hate me. I have a toddler and a greyhound who needs walking whatever the weather! Toddler has a very warm snowsuit and wellies and we get on with it. It's fine.

Chillyoutthere · 28/11/2024 19:46

WomenInConstruction · 28/11/2024 17:08

I used to walk my dc1 to school with dc2 in pram/carrier, and (delighted) dog along with us too... Through the woods, along the stream and arrive at the back gate.

Along the way I would pass another mum who set off at the same time as me, loading her kids into the large 4 wheel drive car to join the bumper to bumper queue of cars (1/4 mile away from school gate) battling for space through a congested junction.

We arrived pink cheeked and bright eyed having seen stoats, birds, paddled in puddles, picked up beautiful leaves, noticed the flower buds, marveled at the power of the stream after a big rainfall, made footprints in snow etc etc (many wholesome worthy examples 🤣). wellies all covered in mud (changed shoes at school).

Arriving simultaneously would be the other mum, no quicker for her car use... but her stunning very long hair and aspirational shoes were immaculate, her children spotless.

We each thought the other mad as a box frogs. 👀😎🤣🙃

I’m with you (obviously!) - neighbour a few doors down sets off to the same school in her massive car every morning and we both clearly think the other is missing a trick! 😂

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Chillyoutthere · 28/11/2024 19:43

WomenInConstruction · 28/11/2024 16:51

"Being stuck in traffic is warmer but way less fun. This is what gloves were invented for. Xx"

Is your reply every time she's sends you a message about it.

Don't change it. Just send again. And again.

She'll drop it eventually, no one can withstand 100% repeat of simple message. 🤣

This is also a good idea…

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Chillyoutthere · 28/11/2024 19:41

helibirdcomp · 28/11/2024 16:41

You could say- If you want to help wrap up warm and come and join the fun - make sure you have sensible shoes.
Singing and your son's new song all the way should help convince her you really are doing it because you enjoy it. (and probably embarrass her so much she wont do it again)

Haha I love this! My singing would be enough to convince anyone to keep their distance!

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Garnetcherrycola · 28/11/2024 19:31

Chillyoutthere · 28/11/2024 13:35

The “selfish” accusation was voiced, rather than written down last week when she arrived unannounced in the morning after I had declined the offer of a lift, and then I insisted on walking anyway as we were halfway out the door.

The message that particularly annoyed me this morning (sent after I said no to a lift yesterday evening and again by text today) was as follows:
“Lots of ice and frost outside. I think some help might have been better for babies and you”.

It sounds like an element of control. She wanted to give them a lift and wasn't happy you declined. So pulled the "you're such a selfish, bad mother" card, trying to guilt trip you in to accepting her drop them off and she gets her way. Guilt tripping and manipulating you in to believing you are a terrible mother for making the poor wee souls walk.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 28/11/2024 17:22

DH needs to tell MIL to butt out

chargethedog · 28/11/2024 17:15

Taytotots · 28/11/2024 17:09

We are not UK but here it snows and is often under -10 oC in winter. It is mandatory for daycare kids to be outside at least two hours a day unless temps too severe (around -20!). . Obviously in appropriate clothing!

Definitely side with you on this one OP!

Same here. Not mandatory, but we’re outside 2-6 hours a day. We even eat outside some days. It’s dark in the afternoons but we have strong lights so it’s fine.

Allfur · 28/11/2024 17:09

The pollution insude cars is worse than outside, tell her that - its far better not to ferry kids around in a car if it can be avoided

Taytotots · 28/11/2024 17:09

We are not UK but here it snows and is often under -10 oC in winter. It is mandatory for daycare kids to be outside at least two hours a day unless temps too severe (around -20!). . Obviously in appropriate clothing!

Definitely side with you on this one OP!

WomenInConstruction · 28/11/2024 17:08

I used to walk my dc1 to school with dc2 in pram/carrier, and (delighted) dog along with us too... Through the woods, along the stream and arrive at the back gate.

Along the way I would pass another mum who set off at the same time as me, loading her kids into the large 4 wheel drive car to join the bumper to bumper queue of cars (1/4 mile away from school gate) battling for space through a congested junction.

We arrived pink cheeked and bright eyed having seen stoats, birds, paddled in puddles, picked up beautiful leaves, noticed the flower buds, marveled at the power of the stream after a big rainfall, made footprints in snow etc etc (many wholesome worthy examples 🤣). wellies all covered in mud (changed shoes at school).

Arriving simultaneously would be the other mum, no quicker for her car use... but her stunning very long hair and aspirational shoes were immaculate, her children spotless.

We each thought the other mad as a box frogs. 👀😎🤣🙃

chargethedog · 28/11/2024 17:08

😂 I’m in a cold country and we’re outside even when it’s -20. And they sleep outside at nursery.

Besides, they are your children so why do you care what she thinks.

Isxmasoveryet · 28/11/2024 17:05

Not do them button of harm to.walk somewhere long as they r dressed appropriately some people would take car to their next door neighbour if they thought they could get away with it

TwinklyAmberOrca · 28/11/2024 17:02

Chillyoutthere · 28/11/2024 16:09

I don’t drive! That’s how she’s on to my outrageous behaviour.

I'd remind your MIL that some of the healthiest babies grow up in countries where prams are placed outdoors in the fresh air for nap time, even in the snow!!

Fresh air is great for kids and less likely to get ill!! Better than stuffy cars.

Tell your MIL she is welcome to walk with you!

insomniacalways · 28/11/2024 16:59

I always walked a similar distance to mine. I don't have a car. I would wrap them up and half the time they would take their clothes off. Cold doesn't make you ill ! It means my 10 and 13-year-olds are great and happy walkers. The 13 year old now chooses to do a 40-minute walk to school. People offer her lifts, but she doesn't want them. Scandi countries put babies outside to sleep - check out any school playground this time of year kids running around not a coat in sight in freezing temperatures.