Secondary school does not allow D.Martens

however since older students wear it too I guess the kickers are an examption

Or they may be being ignored at the moment or not picked up on - we get that everyone gets lax about some rule then a crack down occurs.

DD2 shoes I don't think are compliant -well ones she wears on PE days - I've said my piece she says it easier and everyone else does it and they've been fine last year and this with no singling out or anyone in school saying a thing to her or us. If it suddenly becomes an issue she has compliment shoes and she'll be expected by us to wear them. I'd prefer her to just comply but at 15 in Y11 I'm picking my battles with her - in Y7 at 11 she wouldn't have had the option.

@corporategreen The policy says shoes.

She is wearing boots.

No wonder there is a problem. YABU for allowing her to wear boots when it is a direct contradiction of the policy.

Just because others may not be following the policy, doesn't mean you also need to break it

It's clear that all boots are banned so that either applies to kickers, or we can assume that the rule is obsolete.

I'm reporting this thread to MNHQ. It's completely unacceptable to post screenshots of private communications sent in good faith. Buy your child some shoes, OP.

@corporategreen

Threatening violence even in this glib way is never appropriate.

The no boots rule is common, and kickers come as shoes as well as low rise boots

Nope school uniform states school shoes and not DMs. You have bigger problems than her shoes - this is not the issue to make a fuss about.

Why not just buy your DD the required shoes and let her get on with her schooling.

The school sounds like it has enough problems to be getting on with, without having do deal with your time-wasting awkwardness.

And now we know which school it is, I expect that will piss the teachers off even more!

the school doesnt sound very nice but the vast majority of secondary school kids have to deal with (unreasonable IMO) school uniform rules. Not a hill to die on.

My son had the widest feet. Walked on the outside of his shoes and would destroy them. DM shoes were the answer for him. Hard-wearing and I daresay good for protection

No wonder the school is in difficulties when parents don’t make their entitled kids follow the rules.

It doesn't really matter if the school rule is to wear red shoes with pink spots trimmed with ostrich feathers.
That would be the school rule. If you want to send your child there then comply.
If you don't, then find a school that will take DMs.
If you can't find one, keep her at home-wearing whatever she likes-and take some qualifications so that you can educate her up to A level yourself.

You and your daughter-schooled by your attitude-have some brass neck.

I long for the day when a Head Teacher can say-Fit in or Fuck Off.

There are always options.

@cardibach

Because the OP specified they're the boot ones.

Sooo…how do you know the kickers in question are not from the shoe range?

It’s DM boots that are banned as far as we can tell, not the brand. The OP refuses to clarify, so I think we can assume that’s the case. The uniform says shoes. DMs make shoes which have all the advantages you describe. I wear them all the time.

And you reckon teachers saying children should follow uniform rules are ‘embarrassing our profession’?
Wild.

You know I wasn’t saying there wasn’t something wrong with the school? Raising red flags about a child choosing shoes to do violence is actually part of dealing with poor behaviour.

DM boots used to have the nickname shin kickers, (don't know if they still do), I am sure you can figure out why.

What a fuss about nothing. Boots are not uniform in any school anywhere and using 'I can kick bullies' as a reason to wear them is obviously going to get the school even less likely to overlook them! Just buy her some shoes for school FFS

Part of the reason behaviour is bad in schools is that parents find reasons why their particular child doesn't have to follow the rules. It's a dreadful message to send to your child. You should tell your DD that they are not allowed and that is that. And you should buy her the correct footwear that complies with the uniform policy.

Rules are rules

Just get some ordinary black shoes for school. Keep the DMs for fun.

Problem solved - or at least this one.

I wish I'd that sort of money to burn when my children were at school. DMs or similar - (£100+?) for an 11 year old. The soles will be barely worn by the time she's grown out of them.

My DC go to a school like this - wasn't like this when eldest started and we moved into catchment but turned into this.

My advice - by some shoes that comply and tell her to wear them.

Other kids may get away with things your's won't but build good will and save your energy for battles that matter- stuff like them not having a teacher for half GCSE course - being able to eat or access a toilet.

Our middle child fell foul of SLT - outright and luckily for us provable lies making life harder for him - his teachers and head of year knew him for years and us - as rule polite rule followers which helped push back on some of the insane accusations and get past restrictions ( many offered to talk to SLT as couldn't believe accusations) . I think if we had reputation as difficult or he had that would have been impossible situation to manage. As it is made it harder to deal with any issue youngest had arise - have to rely on teachers who TBF are usually really good.

Uniform policy is shoes, not boots, so that's what your DD needs to be wearing. It does sound like the school have some behaviour issues and I'm sure they are working hard on fixing that. Part of enabling that to happen, is having parents who will back the school - on uniform policy, behaviour standards and discipline. If the school are constantly negotiating with parents and DC think parents will argue with school every time they think something is 'unfair' they won't get very far with making the necessary changes.