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Asking fathers permission to propose

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janfebmar87 · 28/11/2024 09:51

Inspired by another thread but not a thread about a thread.

I really feel this is out dated and perpetuates the narrative that women are the possession of men

If we ever want true equality then we need to put "traditions" like this to bed.

OP posts:
ChestnutGrove · 28/11/2024 10:47

RaininSummer · 28/11/2024 10:39

My partner, years ago, asked my Dad before he asked me. I didn't actually want to get married.

😁

betterangels · 28/11/2024 10:46

Tandora · 28/11/2024 10:22

This!! I feel like “proposals” and “engagements” weren’t even so much of thing a generation ago? Theres been a bizarre resurgence in these things- I guess part of insta culture? Proposals made sense in the Jane Austen era, they don’t make any sense in the context of current relationships. People live together/ buy property/ sometimes have kids and then announce their engagement . It’s hardly news is it? I’m thinking- “um yes, we did all already figure you two were an item!”

Agree. The whole thing is weird. If you live together (and even more if you have children), big proposals are weird. You've already committed.

VaddaABeetch · 28/11/2024 10:46

Would any of you adult women ask your parents blessing to take a job, buy a house, have a baby, take up Rock
climbing?

ErrolTheDragon · 28/11/2024 10:46

Has anyone posted this yet?

StandingSideBySide · 28/11/2024 10:46

In a similar vein to your thread OP
How many women have their fathers walk them up the aisle. This means the fathers are ‘giving them away’

Anyone considered what side you stand at at the alter in a church wedding?( Or even in a registry office, although this seems bizarre )
For those of you who have married did you realise you were standing on the left side!

Parker231 · 28/11/2024 10:45

DinoGD · 28/11/2024 10:42

My husband asked both my parents (they're not together but asked my Dad, took my mum out for lunch & asked her etc). I thought it was a lovely touch and cemented the support - and I'd be very touched if my children's future partners asked us before proposing!

Did you do similar with your future in-laws?

kiraric · 28/11/2024 10:45

I like the idea of asking for parents' support/blessing but I would have wanted to do that as a couple and with both parents.

The logic behind doing it man to man and one side of the family only escapes me

wombat15 · 28/11/2024 10:45

I have been married for over 25 years and it was very outdated even then. Women are not the possession of their fathers. The whole thing gives me the ick.

EdgyDreamer · 28/11/2024 10:43

DH didn't - we told them together as some of the first people to know. Wasn't given away either - small registry office but close family were there.

DH says if anyone of our DDs partners asks him he'll think less of them - and may say no to see what they do - though in practise not sure how he'll respond - probably with a startled okay - and a wtf for years afterwards.

wombat15 · 28/11/2024 10:43

triballeader · 28/11/2024 10:15

My eldest DD partner asked to come over and then asked us both if he could propose to our DD last December. Nothing for permission, as they are both adults, but for our blessing.
Our DD has views and would NOT have accepted any proposal without a blessing. A supportive family is important to her.

So why didn't she ask for your blessing?

Berlinlover · 28/11/2024 10:42

I’m Irish and living in Ireland but my partner’s daughters were born and raised in England. Both his sons in law asked permission to marry his daughters. I found it amusing but just assumed it was an English thing, I’m finding this thread interesting.

Reallybadidea · 28/11/2024 10:42

NineDaysQueen · 28/11/2024 10:03

So what? It rarely happens these days, and the fact that your brother and BiL asked is charming. It also demonstrates that they have been brought up well, have manners, consider others, and respect traditions.
Why turn this into a pro-feminist, man-bashing trope, when in reality today, it is not even considered from that view - it's just a tradition that some wish to adhere to
But at least you DH, unlike your DB and BiL, behaved in the way you wanted

My BIL asked my dad's permission to marry my sister. Sadly, this didn't demonstrate anything good about him because he turned out to be an abusive bastard. He just knows when to turn the charm on to fool people.

DinoGD · 28/11/2024 10:42

My husband asked both my parents (they're not together but asked my Dad, took my mum out for lunch & asked her etc). I thought it was a lovely touch and cemented the support - and I'd be very touched if my children's future partners asked us before proposing!

Parker231 · 28/11/2024 10:41

TheFlis · 28/11/2024 10:40

No 🙄But DH had discussed it with them.

Why your DH and not you?

BaklavaRocks · 28/11/2024 10:41

I like tradition. Most traditions have changed from their origin method or meaning but we continue them because of the fact they are traditions and feel special, and some (like the partner asking permission/seeking a blessing from FIL before proposing) are used to show respect or because they r a way to include family in our celebrating.

I also celebrate Christmas, even though I disagree with religion and most of the teachings of the bible.

I celebrate Easter even though I don't agree with lots of Christianity.

I'm happy to attend a firework display even though blowing up the houses of parliament isn't my thing! Or burning someone on a bonfire doesn't really marry with my current views on rehabilitation.

Do you celebrate Christmas OP? Is it not a bit outdated to celebrate the birth of a man who claimed to be the son of god (who it was also claimed happened to be male - how mysoginistic)? and who sporned a religion which opposed gay marriage until v recently? ... Or maybe it's ok to keep these traditions alive because the meaning has changed (for some) but the practice continues to be cherished by many....

ChestnutGrove · 28/11/2024 10:41

snotathing · 28/11/2024 10:34

I would have more than cringed. I would have dumped him.

😁

Bloom15 · 28/11/2024 10:41

triballeader · 28/11/2024 10:15

My eldest DD partner asked to come over and then asked us both if he could propose to our DD last December. Nothing for permission, as they are both adults, but for our blessing.
Our DD has views and would NOT have accepted any proposal without a blessing. A supportive family is important to her.

Your DD wouldn't marry someone if you hadn't given your blessing?! That is unusual.

DH didn't ask my DF - my dad was so lovely and would have said to ask me

BarbaraHoward · 28/11/2024 10:40

My BIL rang my dad to ask him before proposing to my sister. My dad refused to let him even get the question out (knew what it was as soon as his number popped up on his phone) Grin and just said it wasn't him that needed to be asked, but that if they did have any news at any point he and my mum would be very happy.

DH and I sort of just decided to start planning a wedding so no proposal or anything.

A friend got a bit of flack for not asking his FIL. He just said he knew either his partner or the FIL (who he got on great with) would be unhappy so he made his choice. Grin

TheFlis · 28/11/2024 10:40

Parker231 · 28/11/2024 10:34

Did you go and ask the same of your future in-laws?

No 🙄But DH had discussed it with them.

kiraric · 28/11/2024 10:39

Arseynal · 28/11/2024 10:31

It naff and would put me right off someone. I don’t really care too much about the sexism of it because I don’t think the 2 men involved in it really believe it’s a serious question or that either if them have any say. They are doing a dumb role play activity and we are supposed to think this somehow makes them polite and well mannered when they are just asking for cookies for being soo considerate without considering the woman at all. I don’t think they are sexist as such (although it’s definitely sexist fundamentally) but it’s a way to make themselves the main character. Naff and cringe. They’ll then covertly film the proposal and put in on Facebook.

Yeah I think one of the things I dislike about it is that role play element.

Similar to how I feel about proposals. Quite often the couple have chosen a ring together, booked a trip, in one case I know of had a friend ready and primed to video it to put on Instagram, wtf is the point of asking the question?!

EssentiallyItsTrue · 28/11/2024 10:39

Posters who are saying their husbands didn't ask their PILs permission but asked for their blessing but surely that's still a similarly outdated thing.

I understand a bride or groom telling their parents that they are getting married before telling everyone else but asking for approval is weird!

RaininSummer · 28/11/2024 10:39

My partner, years ago, asked my Dad before he asked me. I didn't actually want to get married.

triballeader · 28/11/2024 10:39

kiraric · 28/11/2024 10:26

Out of curiosity did she ask for her future PIL's blessings before accepting?

No and for a very good reason. They were both so abusive of him growing up, police et al all involved after too many hospital admissions from beatings, he now has a court enforced injunction banning them from any contact. My DH is now his next of kin so in a way he asked his dad and her dad at the same time.

ZippyLilacStork · 28/11/2024 10:38

VaddaABeetch · 28/11/2024 10:30

But surely you only ask the father once. Once divorced you ask the ex husband as ownership has transferred?

I have never heard anyone say this.
This one sentence makes it clear what a silly concept it is.

TheSilkWorm · 28/11/2024 10:38

TheGoddessFreyja · 28/11/2024 10:29

Aw no I think it's lovely and respectful. You are your fathers little girl not his possession. it's just a sign of respect.

My partner took my dad to play golf and asked him if he could marry me, then they went back to my parents home together and told my mum and they had lunch together.

It was one of the first things I asked when he proposed to me if he'd asked my dad 🥲 I think its lovely.

If you're a little girl you shouldn't be getting married. If you're an adult then you're nobody's little girl and it's weird that you see yourself that way