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To wonder what drives foreign fraudsters and criminals?

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Ezlo · 27/11/2024 19:50

I'm watching a programme on gang Universal Credit fraud and the other day I watched a programme on a shoplifting gang. The crims featured were Romanian and Bulgarian. I'm genuinely wondering what drives these people to come to the UK and then commit these crimes. Is it greed? Poverty?

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EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 28/11/2024 00:55

@Ezlo what’s the show called please? Tried to Google it but nothings come up. TIA

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 22:41

Sofianite · 27/11/2024 21:39

@CheesecakeTheCapybara Not all Eastern European people are white, there are non white ethnic minorities who have lived in Eastern European countries for centuries.

Sure but that's the same as in Britain too. So it's not linked to race is my point.

Sofianite · 27/11/2024 21:39

@CheesecakeTheCapybara Not all Eastern European people are white, there are non white ethnic minorities who have lived in Eastern European countries for centuries.

Sofianite · 27/11/2024 21:36

I'm from one of the countries involved and the "being from a poor country" is just nonsense and insulting to those of us who were born there and lead honest lives. Also, these countries are no longer as poor as they used to be - in my country many people now have a better life than many in the Uk, including people with higher salaries than my Uk one. Even some unskilled manual jobs are now quite well paid.
There's still poverty like everywhere of course, but not all poor people are fraudsters. These people probably weren't even poor back home.

Why do they do it? I guess for the same reasons anyone commits a similar crime, for greed and what they see as "easy money". They want money but don't want to work for it and think they can get away with it.
In my country the legal system isn't efficient and can be corrupt, so they do get away with a lot, but the benefits system is a lot less generous than the Uk so it's not as profitable. Universal Credit money, when converted to local currency, would be worth a lot more than what they can get back home.

The shoplifting and pickpocketing - it's usually (not always, but almost always) people from...a certain minority background, as un-PC as that might sound. Stealing is a way of life for many of them, and these types are equally hated in their own countries by normal people. Except people there are wise to their tricks and it's more difficult for them. If caught they'd just get beaten up and the police are also not gentle with them either. Prisons there are pretty brutal too. In comparison they see the UK as a soft touch.

They probably don't view being arrested by British police and spending time in a British prison as a real punishment. So in short, they do it as it's profitable for them and because the risks are worth it to them. They also do similar things in Germany.

We (people from my country) are outraged by it too and don't want them in our countries either.

Bluelane · 27/11/2024 21:11

The fact that shoplifting might as well be legal, consigned to the do nothing list.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 21:09

stargazerlil · 27/11/2024 20:35

I love the ones on Facebook market place, when they are planning to send a courier with a check that you have to pay insurance for, they always say, “ let me explain to you” I can feel their slathering greed and see them rubbing their dirty scamming paws together. I don’t know where they are from though could be English and white.

The OP was talking about white people though. Eastern European is as white as it gets. Apart from that I get your point.

stargazerlil · 27/11/2024 20:35

I love the ones on Facebook market place, when they are planning to send a courier with a check that you have to pay insurance for, they always say, “ let me explain to you” I can feel their slathering greed and see them rubbing their dirty scamming paws together. I don’t know where they are from though could be English and white.

Thevelvelletes · 27/11/2024 20:31

It's not desperation when it's millions of pounds to one gang .It's know how and organisation and the money is the reward.
A Thief is a thief no matter where they're from.

theeyeofdoe · 27/11/2024 20:30

EmmaMaria · 27/11/2024 20:14

OMG - them pesky foreigners are built different from us and that leads them to be criminals, unlike us nice white Brits who never ever commit crimes anywhere. MN scrapes a new low.

People who have known poverty from birth do lead different lives. Did you go to Moldova 20 years ago?

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 20:29

I think human nature is the same everywhere tbh. I saw a documentary on scammers at a call centre and they were laughing about how they rip people off. They don't get proper jobs because they want to be rich but instead of working hard for it they rip people off. I would like to rip them a new one personally.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 27/11/2024 20:26

Lollypop25 · 27/11/2024 20:21

I guarantee there are more British born 'fraudsters' deceiving social care in the UK than any other group.

Maybe they don't travel to other countries to do so (no idea and I guarantee neither do you) but that is a problem with our country's leniency, not those 'foreigners'.

I don't know what the situation is now but I know in the past (15/20 years ago - I have no crustie contacts any more) there were gangs of British crusties who would get the ferry over to Ireland to collect the dole and then back to the UK.

But that's fine I guess as they are following their in the footsteps of their forebears of exploiting Ireland 🤷‍♀️

Lollypop25 · 27/11/2024 20:21

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 27/11/2024 19:55

Well it didn’t take many posts for the accusations of racism. But how many British gangs defraud welfare systems abroad?

I guarantee there are more British born 'fraudsters' deceiving social care in the UK than any other group.

Maybe they don't travel to other countries to do so (no idea and I guarantee neither do you) but that is a problem with our country's leniency, not those 'foreigners'.

pikkumyy77 · 27/11/2024 20:18

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 27/11/2024 19:55

Well it didn’t take many posts for the accusations of racism. But how many British gangs defraud welfare systems abroad?

Sic.

pikkumyy77 · 27/11/2024 20:17

Eyesopenwideawake · 27/11/2024 19:54

Probably the same thing that drives British born fraudsters and criminals. 🙄

This. I imagine the entire Indian subcontinent and the rest of the colonial empire would be shaking their heads and tut tutting over the east india company foreign born gangs if they had the chance to watch such a documentary in 1850.

Lollypop25 · 27/11/2024 20:17

Ezlo · 27/11/2024 19:52

It makes me so angry. This is who our taxes are being spent on. Jailing these criminals and paying out UC to these fraudsters.

Just this? Nothing else no?

These types of shows are designed to deliberately redirect your anger at easy targets, those 'darn foreigners' and you've fallen for it.

EmmaMaria · 27/11/2024 20:14

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OMG - them pesky foreigners are built different from us and that leads them to be criminals, unlike us nice white Brits who never ever commit crimes anywhere. MN scrapes a new low.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 20:10

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That could be a factor too . The good ones will work hard at school and set up businesses, maybe become top dogs in politics and the bad ones will turn to crime because it's lucrative.

genesis92 · 27/11/2024 20:10

What's the name of the programme?

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 20:08

It seems to be more lucrative than many honest career paths and maybe they wouldn't get away with it in their own countries ?

taxguru · 27/11/2024 20:07

BasilParsley · 27/11/2024 19:52

Greed and the knowledge they'll get away with it....

Nail on the head. Our entire policing and justice system is an absolute joke.

DingDoong · 27/11/2024 20:05

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tarheelbaby · 27/11/2024 20:04

desperation. greed. opportunity. lenient punishments.

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 27/11/2024 19:55

Eyesopenwideawake · 27/11/2024 19:54

Probably the same thing that drives British born fraudsters and criminals. 🙄

Well it didn’t take many posts for the accusations of racism. But how many British gangs defraud welfare systems abroad?

Eyesopenwideawake · 27/11/2024 19:54

Probably the same thing that drives British born fraudsters and criminals. 🙄

suburberphobe · 27/11/2024 19:54

I'm watching it.

Utterly awful.