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Blasphemy Laws

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User37482 · 27/11/2024 17:58

Tahir Ali (Labour) got up in parliament and asked Starmer

'to prohibit the desecration of all religious texts and the prophets of the Abrahamic religions'.

Just the Abrahamic religions of course no mention of the Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, Taoism etc etc

AIBU to think most people absolutely do not want want blasphemy laws in the UK and would like to retain the right to say what they would like about any religion.

I don’t even know what a desecration of a prophet is? i’m going to assume it’s taking the piss out of one.

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alienpilotingaboeing · 28/11/2024 13:54

ParkBench5 · 28/11/2024 13:28

@Dontrowlmyflavour

Ime people desperate to ‘criticise’ religions (which almost exclusively seems to be Islam) are actually seeking to stir up hatred and division, which is not conducive to a multicultural society.

For me this MP’s proposal would strengthen community cohesion and prevent the far-right using criticism of Islam as a smokescreen to spew hatred.

Which community? Certainly not mine, or most other ones I can think of, other than highly sensitive Muslim men who spend most of their time shrieking outside schools because someone started a rumour that a child scuffed a Koran.

Lilifer · 28/11/2024 13:44

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 27/11/2024 18:26

As does the Monarchy. But we still have it, don’t we?

Mike drop 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

HotSlippergirl · 28/11/2024 13:36

User37482 · 27/11/2024 19:01

Yeah what happened to that poor autistic boy really bothered (and baffled me) me. It was utter capitulation to threats of violence and intimidation. Neither the boy or the mum should have been out in that position, they must have been terrified. It was like a court. It’s revolting, we don’t live in afghanistan.

We really need to have laws about harassing people with your religious beliefs instead. That would be more useful. Maybe we could get rid of the muppets outside abortion clinics is we did that.

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One of the invited guests on Anti-social was an ex-muslim and he was furious about what happened with that boy and his mum. He said it was like a Sharia court.

ParkBench5 · 28/11/2024 13:28

@Dontrowlmyflavour

Ime people desperate to ‘criticise’ religions (which almost exclusively seems to be Islam) are actually seeking to stir up hatred and division, which is not conducive to a multicultural society.

For me this MP’s proposal would strengthen community cohesion and prevent the far-right using criticism of Islam as a smokescreen to spew hatred.

Feelingathomenow · 28/11/2024 11:26

ParkBench5 · 28/11/2024 09:53

The fact is we are now a multi-cultural society and it is right that different religious views are protected from abuse and desecration. Too many people use ‘free speech’ as an excuse to be Islamophobic.

I don’t see the issue with requiring people to be respectful and understanding of others. I think it’s perfectly reasonable that those who defile the Quran or its contents (or any other religious text) are held to account in order to prevent community tensions.

Why? I think organised religion is a load of man made bollocks. If they can tell me there’s a God - I can refute it in any way I like? if I want to write an accurate book on the history of Islam and include illustrations why shouldn’t I? Why do I have to tread on egg shells round something that I think is terrible? Why can’t I point out that the Bible is a defilement of true Christianity? The religious views represent their views not mine. Why are their views more important than mine?

Faith is an individuals belief, if they want to interrupt my lunch hour standing in the street cranking out music and shouting some utter twaddle then I have every right to tell them what I think too.

what if I force a copy of the satanic Bible into their hands? Are they supposed to treat it with reverence?

pointythings · 28/11/2024 10:58

ParkBench5 · 28/11/2024 09:53

The fact is we are now a multi-cultural society and it is right that different religious views are protected from abuse and desecration. Too many people use ‘free speech’ as an excuse to be Islamophobic.

I don’t see the issue with requiring people to be respectful and understanding of others. I think it’s perfectly reasonable that those who defile the Quran or its contents (or any other religious text) are held to account in order to prevent community tensions.

Nonsense. Religions are all invented and do not merit protection. We already have strong laws against hate speech and that's enough. The scrapped free speech law was never needed and was a political tool intended to stop organisations from choosing not to host certain groups, groups such as Holocaust deniers - other venues have always been available.

The law is fine. Islam deserves no more and no less protection than other faiths.

Dontrowlmyflavour · 28/11/2024 10:12

ParkBench5 · 28/11/2024 09:53

The fact is we are now a multi-cultural society and it is right that different religious views are protected from abuse and desecration. Too many people use ‘free speech’ as an excuse to be Islamophobic.

I don’t see the issue with requiring people to be respectful and understanding of others. I think it’s perfectly reasonable that those who defile the Quran or its contents (or any other religious text) are held to account in order to prevent community tensions.

What do you mean by this. It sounds like you are saying a religious view is free from criticism? Where do you draw the line?

ParkBench5 · 28/11/2024 09:53

The fact is we are now a multi-cultural society and it is right that different religious views are protected from abuse and desecration. Too many people use ‘free speech’ as an excuse to be Islamophobic.

I don’t see the issue with requiring people to be respectful and understanding of others. I think it’s perfectly reasonable that those who defile the Quran or its contents (or any other religious text) are held to account in order to prevent community tensions.

User37482 · 28/11/2024 04:51

I think we need to go back to universal values. Everyone gets treated the same, no special consideration for any reason. You harass a teacher you get a conviction, you harass a child you get a conviction. I think the efforts to maintain community cohesion have backfired spectacularly, it’s given some people the impression that their feelings of being offended justify all sorts of disgusting behaviour and our institutions are backing them!

I do actually think if this had been Christian groups the response from the police would have been more robust and they would have been told clearly no crime had been committed and to back off.

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User37482 · 28/11/2024 04:12

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/11/2024 20:34

Respect the person, don't have to respect the belief.

Unfortunately Labour don't understand this in many ways (natural Leftie here) and choose to make conversations about hate crime and discrimination about having the hold the same beliefs as others, or at least pretend you do, rather than not discriminating/harassing/injuring others based on a protected class.

It's a dangerous game. We should all be able to say what we like about beliefs.

Yes precisely, asking me to behave as if I subscribe to a set of beliefs is very different to asking me not to insult or harass someone for being a member of a particular group.

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User37482 · 28/11/2024 04:10

Nikitaspearlearring · 27/11/2024 19:43

I have to say that I'm not comfortable with blasphemy at all, against anyone's religion, because it's rude and disrespectful. I hear it all the time, and keep quiet. Because I am very proud to live in a tolerant country. That Labour MP needs to suck it up. No way can we be silenced in that way. Bad manners, bad taste and poor judgement - these are not things to legislate against.

Yeah this is how I feel, it does make me uncomfortable because as you said it is rude and hostile. But as you rightly point out it shouldn’t be legislated against, it prevents reasonable discussion as well as insults designed to injure.

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User37482 · 28/11/2024 04:06

R053 · 27/11/2024 20:41

I read the article you linked us to but it doesn’t say anything at all about Islam, just about free and hate speech in general.

I don’t believe Labour plans to introduce special blasphemy laws to protect Islam. Just because one Muslim MP asked for it for all Abrahamic faiths it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. It’s politically risky and difficult to enforce especially in an era where the anti woke agenda is being pushed.

Yes it was a further point about protecting free speech. There was a definition of Islamaphobia that Labour had said it wanted to adopt pre-election which would have probably curbed free speech,

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MrsTerryPratchett · 28/11/2024 00:18

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There's rape justified in the Bible. And slavery.

PiggyPigalle · 28/11/2024 00:14

The only religion I ever hear blasphemed is Christianity.

JFC on a regular basis, Imagine saying that about Mo.

We have become a nation of separate communities who only do things for themselves but take from us. What's mine is mine, but what's yours is mine also.

Not especially Muslims but numerous others.

TempestTost · 28/11/2024 00:00

I'm not surprised this is on the table, it's not that differernt in many ways from the way people are now thinking about hate crimes - many political progressives seem to think that saying things they really don't like about certain groups is a hate crimes - a kind of secular blasphemy.

I am not a huge fan of blasphemy, personally, I think it's often just rudeness. But - it must not be against the law.

peanutbuttertoasty · 28/11/2024 00:00

CranfordScones · 27/11/2024 23:34

Labour's typical ill-considered, good-idea-at-the-time law making again.

The intention of such laws is as a shield to protect people. Unfortunately, they get used as a weapon to curtail free speech. That's a foreseeable consequence.

The government's efforts would be better spent ensuring the right to free speech, even if that offends some people.

It’s never a good idea at the time.

Money should be spent on protecting people from, you know, actual violence.

very little of that protection around these days.

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peanutbuttertoasty · 27/11/2024 23:49

Absolutely zero faith in Starmer on this one. The man is a danger to the nation.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 27/11/2024 23:42

HotSlippergirl · 27/11/2024 18:29

Cowardly politicians, and police, are letting in it by the back door though, by not taking a firm stand against Muslims who harass and intimidate people who they regard as having 'insulted' their faith. The teacher who showed a picture of the Charlie Hebdo cartoon in an approved lesson is STILL in hiding. His life and career has been destroyed. Politicians, police, the LEA and the school should all have firmly come down in his favour, and come down hard on all those who were threatening him.

When the autistic boy was accused of disrespecting the Qu'ran he received death threats and was terrified. His Mum had to go to a meeting in the local mosque and apologise and beg for her son's life, effectively, to the local Imam and Muslims. The police were there and did not intervene and point out that actually, her son was the victim, he had committed no crime, and it was the Muslim perpetrators of the threats who needed to be brought to justice, and perhaps the Imam and muslim representatives might want to co-operate by giving names of people who they feel may have been making the threats. There was a brilliant Anti-social episode on R4 on this where the Muslim interviewer talked on and on about how awful it was the Qu'ran had been disrespected ( it was dropped to the floor and unverified reports it may have got a bit scuffed) but waved away the death threats with a laugh and ' boys will boys!.'

Its absolutely disgraceful that some in the Muslim communities are effectively enforcing blasphemy laws through violence and threats and the politicians and police and institutions who should be standing up for the liberal, tolerant, pluralistic values of the UK are failing to do so.

I agree. I despair of how lazy and complacent our politicians and police have become. Our secular democracy, with its respect for human rights, is well worth defending.

CranfordScones · 27/11/2024 23:34

Labour's typical ill-considered, good-idea-at-the-time law making again.

The intention of such laws is as a shield to protect people. Unfortunately, they get used as a weapon to curtail free speech. That's a foreseeable consequence.

The government's efforts would be better spent ensuring the right to free speech, even if that offends some people.

SuzieNine · 27/11/2024 23:13

Dontrowlmyflavour · 27/11/2024 20:29

It's awful this has been suggested. No doubt Labour will implement it given who funds Stärmer

It was Labour that got rid of the blasphemy laws in England and Wales in 2006 but don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudice. The SNP finally got rid of them in Scotland this year but NI still has them.

CherryBowl · 27/11/2024 23:05

Oh and it was two. Imran Hussain (Bradford East?) asked the same question earlier asking that the PM

Condemn those in public office and positions of power who actively promote Islamophobia?
Commit to adopting a definition of Islamophobia today?
Outline the concrete steps the Government is taking to rip out Islamophobia at its roots, including in this place?

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