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Caused a scene in a cafe today. Now wondering if we were unreasonable

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pennytoffees · 26/11/2024 21:20

I'll start off by saying I'm welsh, born and bred and speak the language as does my entire family.

We visited (my mother and I) a local cafe today and had such an awful experience. We haven't been there in years but don't remember it being that bad. We don't sound welsh and spoke to them in English so they obviously assumed that we were tourists. They were very cold towards us.

Anyway, we placed our order and another staff member brought the food over to us. We asked for some sauces to which she replied "go and ask her" and then pointed to the woman at the till. There was a queue and we didn't want the food to go cold so asked her if she could get us some. She gave me a filthy look but reluctantly handed them over. I just want to add that at no point did she say that the sauces cost extra so we just presumed that they were free like most cafes/restaurants. It turns out that they weren't (to be honest I think it's pretty greedy charging customers for sachets of sauce when they've spent £14 on a meal and I don't know any other local businesses that do it but thats another argument). We would have paid with no issues had she explained that to us.

The main issue is that she came over to a couple sat behind us and started talking about us in Welsh thinking that we didn't understand. Funnily enough they asked for some sauces and she gave them for free but when we asked it was an issue. The only difference is they were clearly locals. At this point we'd had enough so I asked to speak with the manager and she asked me "why, is there a problem?". I said "yes but I'm not discussing it with you". Anyway, he came over and I explained what had happened. She was on the other side of the counter and came over and said "I'm sorry, I wasn't talking about you". She wasn't close enough to hear us talking so obviously knew what she had done wrong and was just trying to cover her tracks.

He apologised and we left it at that, didn't even finish our food as we felt so uncomfortable. To be honest I don't think he knew what to do but after reading the reviews online, it's clearly a regular occurrence and he doesn't care how his staff behaves or treats customers. It was embarrassing as everyone was looking at us. We don't like confrontation or causing trouble but felt we had to confront her. I believe we would have been treated differently had they known we were welsh. I was actually embarrassed to be welsh to be honest. They forget it's the tourists keeping them in business.

AIBU? Would you have confronted her or just walked away?

OP posts:
Gaz98 · 27/11/2024 00:07

WhatTheKey · 27/11/2024 00:04

I'm Welsh too.
I was about to agree with you that she was rude slagging you off behind your back, but she didn't, did she? Just pointed out that you hadn't paid for the sauces. I really don't get what's wrong with that.
It's happened to me before that people haven't realised I speak Welsh and have talked about me. I always butt in with "Mae'n braf tydi?" or some other pleasantry, and we all have a giggle.

BTW, roedd yr edefyn yma wastad yn mynd i ddiweddu efo agweddau gwrth-Gymraeg.

for me I just think it’s about being polite rather than anti welsh

definitely not all of wales I’ve had this experience but in north wales yes

DelphineFox · 27/11/2024 00:06

WomanFromTheNorth · 27/11/2024 00:04

No, it's not fine. But it's kind of understandable. And some of the xenophobic attitudes towards the Welsh, as evidenced by this thread, are far worse.

It's not understandable to be xenophobic no. Stop trying to justify xenophobia.

2110l · 27/11/2024 00:06

WhatTheKey · 27/11/2024 00:04

I'm Welsh too.
I was about to agree with you that she was rude slagging you off behind your back, but she didn't, did she? Just pointed out that you hadn't paid for the sauces. I really don't get what's wrong with that.
It's happened to me before that people haven't realised I speak Welsh and have talked about me. I always butt in with "Mae'n braf tydi?" or some other pleasantry, and we all have a giggle.

BTW, roedd yr edefyn yma wastad yn mynd i ddiweddu efo agweddau gwrth-Gymraeg.

Not the same on the internet when we all have google translate!

2110l · 27/11/2024 00:05

it's astonishing that businesses let staff be so rude about customers - really bad for the cafe owner

WhatTheKey · 27/11/2024 00:04

I'm Welsh too.
I was about to agree with you that she was rude slagging you off behind your back, but she didn't, did she? Just pointed out that you hadn't paid for the sauces. I really don't get what's wrong with that.
It's happened to me before that people haven't realised I speak Welsh and have talked about me. I always butt in with "Mae'n braf tydi?" or some other pleasantry, and we all have a giggle.

BTW, roedd yr edefyn yma wastad yn mynd i ddiweddu efo agweddau gwrth-Gymraeg.

WomanFromTheNorth · 27/11/2024 00:04

DelphineFox · 26/11/2024 23:21

So you think xenophobia towards all English people is fine because of what some English people did in the past? Xenophobic people always think they've got a good excuse for their prejudice. Doesn't make it ok.

No, it's not fine. But it's kind of understandable. And some of the xenophobic attitudes towards the Welsh, as evidenced by this thread, are far worse.

Morefibreplease · 26/11/2024 23:59

InternationalVelveteen · 26/11/2024 23:52

Are you trying to say that "the English" don't treat people with contempt based on their nationality? Utter nonsense. Many English people do precisely that. Just look at this thread and some of the contemptuous statements directed at other nationalities. I presume that at least some of those posts (probably the majority) were written by English MNers.

Yep, I’ve had English people show contempt for my Scottish accent (although I get more compliments tbf) various Scottish friends have been told aggressively to go back to Scotland while living in London
and I’ve overheard people in new workplaces being scathing or mocking about Scottish not having a clue that I am.

Also heard awful things being said about Irish and Welsh.

And no it’s not the “r-word” it’s more xenophobia.

I’ve had racism too but that’s another issue.

Anuta77 · 26/11/2024 23:58

3CustardCreams · 26/11/2024 21:31

Americans like us a bit no?

Canadians like the English. We have a town with a couple of English shops that sell imported articles.

Garlicpest · 26/11/2024 23:58

Crayfishforyou · 26/11/2024 21:49

I came on to ask the same thing! I got treated like that when I lived in north wales for not being Welsh

Me too! I was reluctant to make the assumption, and very relieved when you others did it first 🤣 Y maent yn gauedig i'r Saeson ...

Clafoutie · 26/11/2024 23:57

Frozensnow · 26/11/2024 22:46

I think the amount of xenophobia on this thread towards Welsh people and their language is appalling.

Agreed

LostTheMarble · 26/11/2024 23:54

Almostwelsh · 26/11/2024 23:46

You can't tell by accent whether a Welsh person speaks Welsh or not. People in North Wales who speak Welsh as a first language have the same accent in English as people from north Wales who don't. There are also a large number of people in North Wales who aren't first language Welsh, but can speak it.

The mental gymnastics here is astounding. If the op has a north Wales accent then anyone with any sense wouldn’t have risked being rude to them in Welsh. Unless you think (as many others here seem to), that speaking English in wales seems to magically negate a Welsh accent? In fact, any hint of a Welsh accent will usually have people in north west wales asking if you’d prefer to be spoken to in Welsh or English.

InternationalVelveteen · 26/11/2024 23:54

FloralGums · 26/11/2024 22:00

We don’t like them though!

Charming.

InternationalVelveteen · 26/11/2024 23:52

JudgeJ · 26/11/2024 21:46

Yet if other nationalities were treated with contempt by the English purely on the basis of their nationality then the r-word would be trotted out, funny that!

Are you trying to say that "the English" don't treat people with contempt based on their nationality? Utter nonsense. Many English people do precisely that. Just look at this thread and some of the contemptuous statements directed at other nationalities. I presume that at least some of those posts (probably the majority) were written by English MNers.

LostTheMarble · 26/11/2024 23:48

Antsy123 · 26/11/2024 23:42

Did they think you are English? Sadly there is a lot of racism in wales towards English people.

Racism, really. How exactly are Welsh people ‘racist’ towards the English?

Almostwelsh · 26/11/2024 23:46

You can't tell by accent whether a Welsh person speaks Welsh or not. People in North Wales who speak Welsh as a first language have the same accent in English as people from north Wales who don't. There are also a large number of people in North Wales who aren't first language Welsh, but can speak it.

LostTheMarble · 26/11/2024 23:45

Gaz98 · 26/11/2024 23:29

There is no Dave. There are no candles to have been forgotten.

Really now, gosh thanks for pointing out my potential scenario is not actually what the Welsh couple in question were actually discussing at the party. It’s almost like what they were discussing between each other was no one’s business. Especially some nosy preteen who gets weirdly offended if they can’t eavesdrop fully on adult conversations.

Elphame · 26/11/2024 23:43

foxandbee · 26/11/2024 22:14

What's the name of the cafe @pennytoffees ?

Yes please name it ( or at least the location so I can take an educated guess) so I don't accidentally visit it!

Mind you I would have switched into Welsh myself and said plenty....

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 26/11/2024 23:43

foxandbee · 26/11/2024 22:02

How strange not to bother speaking Welsh. It is like being fluent in Spanish, going to Spain and not botherimg to speak Spanish.

Linguistic victim blaming!

Twototwo15 · 26/11/2024 23:43

I love North Wales, we have been on holiday there several times. The only slightly negative person we came across was a woman who worked in a small clothes shop complaining that all the tickets for a local festival had been bought by tourists and she thought locals should get preference and be offered them first. I said how lovely Wales as a holiday destination and asked where she went on holiday when she already lived somewhere so nice and she said in a very smug tone that they all went overseas. But we spent most of our time at the beach of touristy places where most people were nice and friendly.

Antsy123 · 26/11/2024 23:42

Did they think you are English? Sadly there is a lot of racism in wales towards English people.

ThePoshUns · 26/11/2024 23:42

cryinglaughing · 26/11/2024 21:46

The people from North Wales are notoriously rude and unwelcoming.
They don't even see people born in South Wales as Welsh 🤣

Was about to say the same.

pennytoffees · 26/11/2024 23:41

@KimberleyClark if you think this is acceptable then I really hope that you don't work in customer service.

OP posts:
Gaz98 · 26/11/2024 23:41

KimberleyClark · 26/11/2024 23:39

I got the impression that the woman was being really rude in a personal way about the OP. What she actually said doesn’t seem worth making a big fuss about.

It isn’t so much what was actually said as the rudeness of discussing someone disparagingly in front of them to another person.

Letmegohome · 26/11/2024 23:40

KimberleyClark · 26/11/2024 23:39

I got the impression that the woman was being really rude in a personal way about the OP. What she actually said doesn’t seem worth making a big fuss about.

Well then you can stop commenting /sniping then

KimberleyClark · 26/11/2024 23:39

I got the impression that the woman was being really rude in a personal way about the OP. What she actually said doesn’t seem worth making a big fuss about.