Caused a scene in a cafe today. Now wondering if we were unreasonable

With an attitude like this, we won't miss you

Cytuno cant y cant. Ma'r 'thread' 'ma (ddim yn meddwl bod edafedd yn gweithio?) wedi fy nghorddi.

The history isn't medieval. By ANY stretch of the imagination

Many years ago I saw an episode of Pobol y Cwm (Welsh TV soap) on exactly this. It had a single Indian gentleman going into a cafe. The waiting staff were a nightmare. They were rude about him in Welsh and even put screens round him. He put up with this for the whole episode then got up to leave and addressed them in flawless Welsh

Cytuno cant y cant.

Exactly!

(PS asked Copilot to translate)

Do you really listen to nonsense on the internet? Why not go and make your own mind up?

There isn't, that's the point. People make it up. Hospitality staff are there to make people welcome and serve them tea and cake or whatever.

Most are youngsters and they don't care what nationality you are or what language you speak.

I've never had a bad experience as someone with an English accent in Scotland or Northern Ireland (or indeed the Irish Republic) either.

Dach chi'n bod yn afresymol a dw i ddim yn credu eich stori.

Mi ges i fy ngeni a'm magu ar Ynys Môn.

Yn eich post gwreiddiol mi wnaethoch chi ddisgrifio'r caffi fel un "lleol" ond yna dweud wrthon ni'ch bod yn byw yng Nghonwy a bod y caffi ar Ynys Môn. Dydy lleol ddim yn deugain milltir.

Mae Ynys Môn yn lle prydferth, poblogaidd a chyfeillgar sy’n dibynnu ar dwristiaeth. Fasai'n caffis yn ddim sy'n trin twristiaid fel yr ydych wedi disgrifio.

Exactly this!

Ha ha - exactly!

I would've spoken up to that girl, not specifically about the sauces but about her rude manners. The sauces.....I know lots of places where you pay for them seperately, like @Ikea Restaurant? In pubs etc. there's often a basket with bottles of ketchup, mayo, mustard etc. and yes, those you can use for free. But this post is of course not about the sauces, it's about the way that snotty girl treated you. I think you should be honnest in your review of the place!

Funny how it happens to everyone else LOADS of times and has never happened to me!

Last time I was in North Wales I was in a cafe where the two staff were indeed talking to each other in Welsh. But they spoke to us in English and were pleasant.

People do not speak English and then switch to Welsh as soon as someone comes in. How do they magically know whether you speak Welsh anyway. It's a nonsense thing to claim. I wish people wouldn't troll MN with such nonsense.

So am I - thanks!

This kind of thing has happened to me zero times in 19 years of living in Wales, how unlucky you are! Glad you've found other places to visit 👍

What kind of thing exactly? You pretend you can’t speak Welsh to try and catch Welsh speakers out and any very minor slight like in the op makes you want to not visit? Or are you another who believes Welsh people only start speaking the language when an English person walks in?

This kind of thing has happened to us loads of times in North Wales, we just stopped going in the end. Sad because it’s a beautiful part of the UK.

When I speak to family and friends I use the language we prefer. I don’t consider tourists’ needs funnily enough, just our own. I don’t exist to please tourists 😂

When we were in France for a couple of months a few years back we were looking for stamps to post some cards. Asked in English and what no joy , finally I turned to my husband in Welsh and Said "we will need to take the cards home" instantly they said "you're Welsh ? Yes I said and explained where we were from. They instantly changed and told us English tourists are very rude , we do not help them. So not just the Welsh who have issues with some English tourists.

Lots of cafes charge for sachets of sauce. Some round here charge 10p some 15p. But most charge

Thank you for the explanation.
Speak English / Welsh to make tourists feel uncomfortable then fill your boots.
As I commented previously, I won’t be visiting again.

@pennytoffees Christ, was this in Caernarvon?! We had a similar experience many years ago when I and another staff member, took some services users on holiday to Wales for a week.
We visited Caernarvon for the day, found a cafe at lunch time and placed our food orders. One of the clients just wanted 3 sausages, no chips, no beans, just the sausages, but was prepared to pay for the full meal. There was a lot of back and forth with me, about not wanting the other stuff on the plate... We sat for 15 minutes, while the woman and another person in the cafe at the time discussed us in Welsh (we were all English!) as they kept looking suspiciously in our direction. She then went into the kitchen, came back out 10 minutes later, stood in front of us and said "We're closed" and then crossed her arms and waited for us to collect all our stuff up and leave!!! It was just after 12pm when we went in and she didn't lock the door when we left!!! There were no issues with the 4 service users we were with, we were all sat quietly, discussing what we were doing next! This was the days before Google reviews etc, or they'd have got a scathing review! Rude as hell!