Caused a scene in a cafe today. Now wondering if we were unreasonable

Is this just a clever marketing ruse by the cafe?

Would that be ok to do on here? I don't want to say the name but llandysul is pretty small, it's absolutely not the Italian cafe they're lovely in there, there's then only one gift shop that's also a café on the same street. That one is very "you aren't local are you?" vibe

Yeah don't be sarcastic. People do get upset about this stuff & you're just being embarrassing by implying it doesn't happen.

I was.

Some Liverpool suburbs are nice, but I think the pp was referring to the accent.

Interesting. The Liverpool suburbs must be nicer than I thought...

We spend a week on the Llyn peninsular for a week in the summer visiting family. It would be easy to believe it is a suburb of Liverpool if you didn’t know otherwise.

It was. Not any more.

Because there are plenty of "those in NW Wales" for whom the second statement is not true.

Liverpool is often referred to as the capital of North Wales.

Anyone else fancy drawing this thread to a respectful end?

This thread does not represent the attitudes of my social group and real life; which is a mixture of Welsh, (fluent speakers and non-Welsh speakers,) English, German, French and Jamaican, (the latter of which is a fluent Welsh speaker.) We embrace our cultural differences, swapping recipes, language, cultural trends and humour. It’s truly beautiful.

To every person in this thread who has felt a moment of exclusion through not understanding a language others are speaking; consider the people who have hurt you in your first language. I have been offended in both English and Welsh; similarly, I have been supported and encouraged in both languages. It’s the nature of the person that distinguishes those moments, not their nationality.

Multiculturalism encourages an open-minded attitude, dispels stereotypes and celebrates our differences. Who would like to turn this thread into something positive and encouraging?

I don't understand how you can make such ridiculous sweeping statements, but you're not alone in this cesspit of a thread so make yourself at home!

There isn’t! Where I’m from we had a lot of visitors from Liverpool and Manchester, absolutely no issue and you’re more than welcome as we often share a history across the border. The issue comes from the some who refuse to recognise that the UK is a collective of individual countries come together, not England and Associates. It’s lovely to hear that people from Liverpool dressed up for St David’s day.

I won’t disagree that England wouldn’t show discontent towards the Welsh in general. Other people though… I have Jewish ancestry (though not religious) and I’ve been told ‘Hitler had the right idea’ and ‘that’s disgusting’ by some English people who I’ve told. I don’t judge all English people by it though. Some simple minded folk wherever you go.

Having spent a lot of time in both places, I used to be married to a Scot, I don’t believe there is as much antipathy as some would like us to believe. In Wales, Scotland, or anywhere else for that matter.

@WomanFromTheNorth I don't understand this antipathy to the English in both Scotland and Wales. If anyone from these nations chose to make their home in England they are made very welcome but not vice versa. I'm from Liverpool and every St David's Day we used to wear traditional Welsh hats. Our neighbours used to call their grandparents nain and taid. I am a mixture of Liverpool Welsh, Scots Irish Scottish and Irish with a small helping of English.

... saying "the majority are Welsh first language" and then saying "English for those in NW Wales is a second language" is contradictory.
@MasterBeth , in what way is it contradictory?

The op was making up fairytales, ones you realise that then the reality of what I’m saying will possibly make sense to you.

Hopefully, at some point you'll realise that saying "the majority are Welsh first language" and then saying "English for those in NW Wales is a second language" is contradictory.

Of course some/many/most North Walians have Welsh as a first language. That doesn't mean the OP does.

@TheWonderhorse yes, I agree with all of that.

I think if you included just school age children and above that would be a considerably higher percentage. Welsh medium education is massive all over Wales. My kids couldn't have been called Welsh speaking at 3, but at age 5 they were.

I'm in the Vale of Glamorgan, not really an area known for it's Welsh speaking population, but we do hear it now. Pretty regularly in supermarkets, and on the streets.

Also, there are tons of people, like myself who don't call themselves Welsh speakers, because they're not fluent, but could get by day to day. I think I could manage most of my life with my clumsy Welsh if I needed to. I could absolutely manage to order food in a cafe like the OP and I certainly would in a Welsh speaking area.

There's not just fluency or nothing.

I noted that you said many, not most. It made no difference to my response.

I think nothing of the kind. I know that the majority of people in Wales speak only English or English and Welsh. The number people in Wales speaking other languages or combinations of languages is not going to alter that.

I am happy to be corrected if you can prove, with credible sources, that I am wrong.

@Expletive , I said many, not most. There are people from different heritages in Wales.
I'm not clutching at straws, but you seem to think that Wales is only populated with monoglots and people who only speak Welsh and English.

The last time I went to Tesco a couple of staff members were speaking to each other in, I think, Polish. It didn't bother me.

Some more up to date data here:

For the year ending 30 June 2024, the APS estimated that 27.8% of people aged three years or over were able to speak Welsh. This is the lowest percentage recorded in eight years. This figure equates to around 854,400 people.

www.gov.wales/welsh-language-data-annual-population-survey-july-2023-june-2024-html

When I asked him about it, he said it was their fault, not his. However, his character is such that he may not want to accept that it is him that can’t understand them rather than the other way round.

Has that happened since 2021 census?

You may have missed that I referred to Wales as a whole.