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To refuse to host BIL, his family and untrained dog!

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twogreentrees · 26/11/2024 10:31

So we have always hosted Christmas. Literally for the past 17 years. It's mainly as a result of the fact that for a long time BIL and his family lived in a very small house whereas we have a larger house with room to seat everyone. PIL also find it easier to get to us (about an hour) than to BIL (about 2 hours). BIL and his family generally stay overnight so they are with us for two days. PIL tend to stay for the day and then go home since they prefer to sleep at home.

This year BIL and his family "rescued" a street dog from Eastern Europe. He is a large mixed breed and is completely out of control. He has to be kept on a lead at all times when out because he has a very high prey drive and zero recall. He regularly kills pigeons, squirrels, mice, rabbits etc. He is extremely reactive and charges at cats and other dogs. He is also very noisy.

We have a small dog, two kittens and free range ducks. Our garden is also not particularly secure for such a large dog (it's fine for ours but he's small). DH and BIL are both in a strop because I have said we are not hosting them this year unless they put the dog into a kennel. BIL has said it is offensive and the dog is a member of their family. Apparently I am ruining Christmas for their children (teens so probably couldn't care less anyway about visiting their aunt/uncle). I am gob smacked that we have even been asked.

I don't even know why Im asking. Just for reassurance really. I'm absolutely not BU am I? I'd really rather not have a festive small pet massacre on my hands.

OP posts:
Toddlerteaplease · 26/11/2024 11:46

Your pets are members of your family. And it's THEIR home. They get priority over an out of control dog.

Rosscameasdoody · 26/11/2024 11:46

twogreentrees · 26/11/2024 10:39

DH has been nagged at a lot by BIL and SIL. He's ended up suggesting we try to put our dog in kennels! Apparently it would be fine if we shut our kittens in a bedroom upstairs and just don't let the dog into the garden with the ducks!

I am very much the baddie in this. DH is trying to keep the peace and not upset BIL/SIL too much.

OP don’t entertain it. There will inevitably be a tragedy if you do, and they’ll find some way to blame you for it. If they’re nagging your DH why is he engaging with it ? He’s a grown man and he should know what the risks are. It will make the Christmas period stressful for all and he should have your back and end the discussion. And why is it unacceptable for them to put their dog in kennels but to expect you to do so with your own dog. Just no. End of.

Shade17 · 26/11/2024 11:46

No one in their right mind would want a dog that kills other animals

Of course they would. For a start every sighthound out there (probably with a few exceptions) will kill small furry animals if given the chance, it doesn’t make them dangerous or in any way a poor choice of pet but clearly you have to manage them more than a dog with no prey drive.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 26/11/2024 11:44

Oops, don't know what happened to the quote but this was in response to Apollo365

You'd think, wouldn't you?

I'm in France and the govt clamped down on bringing dogs in from Romania but now they seem to be coming from Ukraine. A local woman who runs a 'charity' rehoming dogs has an endless supply of Ukrainian puppies which she punts rehomes for 250 euros a pop.

AAudreyHorne · 26/11/2024 11:43

Even if you lock your kittens away for the duration of their stay, the dog will be desperate to get to them and could easily destroy your house in the process ... but also, the sounds of an angry dog outside a door will be an extremely stressful situation for your kittens and is not fair on them at all.

You are doing the right thing OP ... stand firm and give your wet lettuce DH a kick up the arse to remind him of his priorities.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 26/11/2024 11:42

They’ve got time to find a dog sitter-there’s loads around.

Fraaahnces · 26/11/2024 11:40

Cancel Christmas entirely. Tell DH he needs to get on Amazon and order himself a bloody backbone. I suspect it’s more than just the dog that needs socializing and training - that whole family needs some very clear boundaries.

LBFseBrom · 26/11/2024 11:40

You are not unreasonable. If they come to you they can make arrangements for the dog which would probably be kennels as the dog sounds a bit much for a dog walker. I'm sure they can afford it and though I know nobody wants to do that with their pet, needs sometimes must and it won't be for long.

They also need to take their dog to dog training classes in the new year.

If they won't leave the dog, tell them they have to spend Christmas at home. I doubt very much anyone else would want them at theirs.

Do be firm, you have to put your own pets first, it's their home.

AllYearsAround · 26/11/2024 11:39

Ridiculous! What is wrong with your DH?!?!

I'd use this as a reason to stop hosting.
BIL can go to his parents and you have a nice quiet Christmas at home.

DemonicCaveMaggot · 26/11/2024 11:39

If your BIL is upset that his children won't see their grandparents the solution is for him to drive, or take the train, and take his children to see their grandparents.

How dare they get miffed when you have hosted them for the past 17 years? What an ungrateful jackass.

Apollo365 · 26/11/2024 11:39

As a side note, what is the rescuing from overseas thing about? Don’t we have enough dogs in need of homes in the UK?

abbey44 · 26/11/2024 11:39

EmmaMorleysboots · 26/11/2024 11:31

Originally I thought yanbu but then read you have your own dog so can see the waters are a bit muddied and why might be family conflict. We have no dogs on the property rule that all visitors know about so never any grey areas about types/temperaments of dogs. I wouldn’t want to be around dogs of any kind when relaxing with children and food at Xmas.

The fact OP has a dog (and other small animals) doesn’t muddy the waters at all - it makes it even clearer that another large dog, especially one with a high prey drive, would be a really terrible idea.

I have a large dog myself and would never assume it’d be ok to take her to anyone else’s house - and she’s a well-behaved one. Stand firm OP, your husband needs to find his backbone here.

Sooverwork · 26/11/2024 11:39

Honestly your BIL and SIL are pieces of shit . I’d permanently univite them and their rabid stray from Christmas and any other gathering at your place . Your pets have a right to be safe in their home. Uninvited them , that’s all . Don’t stress anymore about it

godmum56 · 26/11/2024 11:39

Manxexile · 26/11/2024 11:37

Yes. This is obvious from the BiL's comment that "the dog is part of the family".

No it isn't - it's just a dog.

They need to find kennels. If they can find one to take it...

yes it is a part of the family...at least mine were and that means it has the right not to be stressed out by taking it somewhere strange where it will be surrounded by triggering sights and smells and have to spend the day on a lead.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 26/11/2024 11:39

Ellie1015 · 26/11/2024 11:28

Yanbu. Wrong to assume a well trained, small dog could come and stay without checking.

Irresponsible to even consider bringing a dog with high prey drive to a home with small pets.

Edited

Absolutely this.

My SIL adopted a dog from Romania - it's a big dog, untrained and reactive. Came as quite the surprise to her when I told her she absolutely could not bring the dog with her to stay - we have cats and chickens. Plus I'm just not up for having someone else's dog in my house. She refuses to consider kennels so she can't come to stay (pre dog she was a regular). Oh well.

Mumsgirls · 26/11/2024 11:38

How stupid is this, put your dog in kennels because we won’t?
Your family will be traumatised when the dog kills a poor kitten in its own home.
Don’t we have enough homeless animals in the uk already with cost of living crisis? My own cat was a stray who had been on the streets for two years and he was obviously a pet cat who had been abandoned.We have no need to import strays when we cannot solve our own animal problems.

BarbadosItsCloserThanYouThink · 26/11/2024 11:38

Apologies I see they live 3 hours away. They should have thought about things like this when they got the dog. Dogs are great but they are a tie and sometimes restrict what you can do. You definitely aren't being unreasonable OP.

MarketValveForks · 26/11/2024 11:38

The weird thing is that he wants you to consider his dog as an equal member of his family but doesn't want you to consider the same status for your own pets as members of your own family. He wants your pets to be sidelined/shut away/sent away or if not be at risk of maiming/death and thinks you should be putting his pet as a higher priority than your own. He must be either stupid or massively narcissistic if he can't perceive the disjoint here.

If one of the human members of his family were prone to out-of-control fits of violence which would put members of your family at serious risk of injury or death would you be inviting them all to dinner? I suspect that saying that the non-violent members of the family can come but not the dangerous one would be exactly what would happen if this was a human family member.

Justlovedogs · 26/11/2024 11:38

EmmaMorleysboots · 26/11/2024 11:31

Originally I thought yanbu but then read you have your own dog so can see the waters are a bit muddied and why might be family conflict. We have no dogs on the property rule that all visitors know about so never any grey areas about types/temperaments of dogs. I wouldn’t want to be around dogs of any kind when relaxing with children and food at Xmas.

No muddied waters. I have dogs. I gave friends with dogs. I do not and would not take my dogs to their houses for five minutes, let alone a couple of days, without discussion and agreement.
Just because someone has a dog, it is not right to assume you have the right to take your dog to their house.
OP - stand firm.

MadMadMad · 26/11/2024 11:37

No, no and no! The only dog that someone should assume they could bring is a recognised service dog as everyone would know that they rely on it before issuing an invitation. As pp have pointed out the dog will sense the other animals and will try to go after them and someone may get hurt trying to stop them. The other animals will also sense the dog and will get very stressed especially if they are shut away and can’t escape. Just don’t do it.

NewGreenDuck · 26/11/2024 11:37

Absolutely no way would that dog be in my house. Ever.
Say no, no arguments no compromise, they should have thought it through before taking on a dog that clearly has issues. And I am a dog lover. But I also care about my cat too.

godmum56 · 26/11/2024 11:37

BreadInCaptivity · 26/11/2024 11:00

Some (though obviously not all) owners seem to think it's up to everyone else to accommodate their decision to own a dog.

It's not.

Dog ownership comes with both benefits and drawbacks and the latter is especially true if the dog is a larger breed, aggressive or untrained (or a combination of all).

You make the decision to take on such a pet then the implications of this, which may impact who you can visit / cost of kennels is part of the deal.

Not everyone likes dogs and even those that do cannot / do not want to host animals that are problematic in their home setting.

Dogs are not welcome in my home full stop. I don't have to justify why and if that means some people won't visit, then fine.

I'm not going to be guilt tripped into giving in.

Stand your ground OP and tell your DH to find his bloody backbone (I'd be just as annoyed with him about this as his brother - kennel your dog? WTF!).

Their dog, their choice and consequences.

^^ this totally
I am a dog lover and in those circs I'd stay at home with the dog but I would do it calmly and cheerfully and say to the family that they totally understand your POV....actually that would have been my attitude from the get go and I wouldn't even have asked you, just given my apologies. What your idiot Bil hasn't considered is that it will be HORRIBLE for a high prey dog to be on a lead all day surrounded by prey scent and sights in a strange place. He really is a thoughless idiot.

IsawwhatIsaw · 26/11/2024 11:37

It’s enough that you’ve hosted for 17 years. Get your boundaries in place. Of course these people will be annoyed you’ve put your foot down.
sounds like a DH issue?

Manxexile · 26/11/2024 11:37

Terrribletwos · 26/11/2024 10:35

Absolutely not. If the dog is really that bad I am surprised they are even considering taking it to yours. Sounds like they have their head in the sand re dog's behaviour.

Yes. This is obvious from the BiL's comment that "the dog is part of the family".

No it isn't - it's just a dog.

They need to find kennels. If they can find one to take it...

DisappearingGirl · 26/11/2024 11:36

My friend has a similar Eastern European rescue dog. My friend is an experienced dog owner and the dog is actually a lovely dog in general and great with people. However she has a huge prey drive and once she spots prey she has no recall at all. She lunges at cats, runs after squirrels. Also pins down smaller dogs if given the chance (she is only playing but the small dogs don't know that!).

No way would it be appropriate to have your BIL's dog in a house with small animals.