Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

To think that this week, as court decides what the legal definition of a woman is, that the Scottish Government (and others) aren't fit for purpose?

107 replies

WandsOut · 26/11/2024 08:25

The meaning of what a woman is, is supposedly being hammered out in court this week.
How many of you know we are being reclassified this week?

"If the Supreme Court rules that a man can become a woman because he declares it to be so - and vice versa - then the sex-based protections provided by the Equality Act will become meaningless.
After all, how does one protect - or even begin to consider - the rights of women if to be a woman is nothing more than a feeling?"
www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/crucial-legal-battle-over-the-definition-of-a-woman-is-one-for-our-bizarre-times-euan-mccolm-4880056

You can watch the shitshow here
m.youtube.com/@UKSupremeCourt/videos

Live tribunal tweets here tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/for-women-scotland-vs-the-lord-advocate

YANBU - To think that this week, as court decides what the legal definition of a woman is, that the Scottish Government aren't fit for purpose and neither is anyone else in senior positions who can't understand why biology is important.

YABU - Gender identity is more important than the sex based rights of women. Woman is an idea and anyone can identify as one.

OP posts:
Original poster
WandsOut · 26/11/2024 12:37

archive.ph/ZFv6G

Live coverage

OP posts:
disappointedAmnesty · 26/11/2024 11:46

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/contact-us
Tell Amnesty what you think!

I've just contacted them as a member of 25 years .

I'm only staying a member in the hope that we can win eventually. I bin all their post before it touches the floor!

Contact us

We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/contact-us

itsgettingweird · 26/11/2024 11:29

I was listening this morning and they said about the transwoman placed in a woman's jail on suspicion of rape.

Just how?

Only men, males, can rape.

Only men/males have a penis - a biological requirement to be able to commit the crime of rape.

How the feckitty feck would anyone think putting them in a woman's prison was correct?

And no man should be allowed into a woman's prison after rape until they've had their dick chopped off - would solve more than 1 problem!

And why would a man who thinks they're a woman or identifies as a woman use their manhood as a weapon?

Original poster
WandsOut · 26/11/2024 11:19

@OhNotNow

What are YOU going to do about it?

OP posts:
Original poster
WandsOut · 26/11/2024 11:18

For a start, this woman is posting about it here hoping that other women will see what's happening to us because we are not being told the truth about what the ramifications are when we are being "kind" and saying that "transwomen are women."

We will lose everything.
We are losing everything.

This is a men's rights movement which will protect and enable male predators.

The only way to stop it is by a huge amount of public pressure. But unless women are told what is at stake, what can they do?

OP posts:
AlisonDonut · 26/11/2024 11:15

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Who is against it and why? What do you think they should do about it?

BodyKeepingScore · 26/11/2024 11:12

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

It beggars belief that any woman would take a stance that removes her sex based rights and protections in law as well as those of lesbians.

BodyKeepingScore · 26/11/2024 11:10

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

It is WOMEN who brought the case to a hearing. Many of us have not been taking this lying down.

Original poster
WandsOut · 26/11/2024 11:07

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Are you serious?

OP posts:
BeforetheFlood · 26/11/2024 10:57

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Do you mean women who are in favour of their definition in law being re-written and their right to protection from predatory men being erased? I imagine they will be safe in their large, comfortable homes with their secure wealth, and probably won't trouble themselves to watch the news so they won't be aware of the rise in sexual violence and the murder of women and girls, or what's going on in Afghanistan and won't hear about this either.

I don't think there'll be that many of them though.

OhNotNow · 26/11/2024 10:43

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

AlisonDonut · 26/11/2024 10:31

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

They are in court today. Funded by many other women.

Brefugee · 26/11/2024 10:29

SharpOpalNewt · 26/11/2024 09:12

I hope the Supreme Court will see sense and realise that sex based rights need protecting.

I am not hopeful

porridgecake · 26/11/2024 10:24

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Fighting all the way to the supreme court. Thwarted and bullied all the way by men and their handmaidens.

OhNotNow · 26/11/2024 10:21

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

HermioneWeasley · 26/11/2024 10:16

It’s dystopian that a court can erase our entire existence with a legal fiction. There will be nothing left for women.

mindandsensespurified · 26/11/2024 10:13

WandsOut · 26/11/2024 08:42

x.com/jk_rowling/status/1861197982097350882?s=46

"A truly despicable move from a once-respected human rights organisation, which now openly champions the elitist, first world notion of 'gender identity' over biological sex, the basis on which females across the globe are oppressed."

JK Rowling on the betrayal of Amnesty International intervening in order to influence the decision in favour of gender over biological sex.

Cancel your Amnesty subscriptions now if you haven't already.

JKR spot on as always. The ratio on the Amnesty post gives me some hope that the tides are turning.

Beekeepingmum · 26/11/2024 09:53

BodyKeepingScore · 26/11/2024 08:36

Noteworthy that what a "man" is has never been up for debate...

Men have less to defend. For most men - "man = not women" is acceptable as a definition.

FupaTrooper · 26/11/2024 09:44

It is terrifying. Actually terrifying.

We all know men commit over 98% of violent and sexual crimes... But soon it will look like a heck of a lot of "women" are doing it too.. Stats will be muddied entirely.

Causes for our safety will become obsolete. There will be no space anywhere other than our own homes where there will not be a man present.

Jails, bathrooms, hospitals, changing rooms...

This is active oppression of women's rights and the people doing it are no better than those in Afghanistan.

porridgecake · 26/11/2024 09:26

WandsOut · 26/11/2024 09:24

Because women don't matter enough to tell us what is happening that will affect our safety for the foreseeable future.
We don't actually matter.
We only matter when we are getting in the way of men's fetishes and then it's just to crush our rights.

Women who speak out about it are vilified in the press like JK Rowling.

Every paper in the land should have this on the front page.

Show quote history

Agree 100%.

unmemorableusername · 26/11/2024 09:26

True. It's a mess.

Original poster
WandsOut · 26/11/2024 09:24

porridgecake · 26/11/2024 09:17

I am amazed that this isn't being discussed anywhere today. (Well, not really).

Because women don't matter enough to tell us what is happening that will affect our safety for the foreseeable future.
We don't actually matter.
We only matter when we are getting in the way of men's fetishes and then it's just to crush our rights.

Women who speak out about it are vilified in the press like JK Rowling.

Every paper in the land should have this on the front page.

OP posts:
Easypeelersareterrible · 26/11/2024 09:18

It’s ridiculous on so many levels, but the thought that to some men women are just a hairstyle, a style of dressing, a feminine name - it’s just so reductive. Women are so more than that, and men can never be women, they can never be the ‘so much more’. Women can dress in a male style, call themselves Sam and have short hair and STILL BE A WOMAN.

That Bud Light advert shows 100% how men don’t understand what it is to be a women, and how insulting and degrading it is to see Dylan whathisname parody us.

I hope the Scottish Government get laughed out of court in 5 mins. It would certainly restore my faith in humanity.

porridgecake · 26/11/2024 09:17

I am amazed that this isn't being discussed anywhere today. (Well, not really).

SharpOpalNewt · 26/11/2024 09:12

I hope the Supreme Court will see sense and realise that sex based rights need protecting.