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To think that this week, as court decides what the legal definition of a woman is, that the Scottish Government (and others) aren't fit for purpose?

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WandsOut · 26/11/2024 08:25

The meaning of what a woman is, is supposedly being hammered out in court this week.
How many of you know we are being reclassified this week?

"If the Supreme Court rules that a man can become a woman because he declares it to be so - and vice versa - then the sex-based protections provided by the Equality Act will become meaningless.
After all, how does one protect - or even begin to consider - the rights of women if to be a woman is nothing more than a feeling?"
www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/crucial-legal-battle-over-the-definition-of-a-woman-is-one-for-our-bizarre-times-euan-mccolm-4880056

You can watch the shitshow here
m.youtube.com/@UKSupremeCourt/videos

Live tribunal tweets here tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/for-women-scotland-vs-the-lord-advocate

YANBU - To think that this week, as court decides what the legal definition of a woman is, that the Scottish Government aren't fit for purpose and neither is anyone else in senior positions who can't understand why biology is important.

YABU - Gender identity is more important than the sex based rights of women. Woman is an idea and anyone can identify as one.

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 26/11/2024 21:16

Easypeelersareterrible · 26/11/2024 19:02

Oh come now, we are talking about SNP MSPs. Not the brightest!

Very true!

WandsOut · 26/11/2024 20:19

We haven't had much in the way of TRA Bingo yet but we have had a visitor who was cross we aren't throwing ourselves in front of horses though.

Maybe it was the chap on the other thread looking for Guardian Soulmates and he should have turned left at Albuquerque but accidentally found this thread instead.

Or maybe it is John Swinney hoping all us annoying lazy women will do something about it so he doesn't have to.

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Easypeelersareterrible · 26/11/2024 19:02

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 26/11/2024 18:00

It's an understatement and a half, and that apparently intelligent(!) adults involved couldn't foresee the problems that could - and indeed have - arisen as a result of this nonsensical notion.

Surprised the resident 'you're all bigoted transphobes' haven't popped up yet.

Oh come now, we are talking about SNP MSPs. Not the brightest!

SmudgeHughes · 26/11/2024 18:11

WandsOut · 26/11/2024 15:18

@OhNotNow you do realise that women are working dismantling this shitshow price by piece, policy by policy, behind the scenes in a myriad of different ways including raising awareness. You do realise that women across all industries are working in fear because they will lose their jobs and have to find ways of communicating with each other across the culture of silence that has sprung up around this. You do realise that some of the women here are supporting children whose mental health has been messed up by this and that women are working in a hundred different ways every single day to counter the threats of gender ideology on the safety of women and children.

How dare you accuse any woman here of not doing enough despite saying you won't lift a finger yourself.
How lazy, accusatory and quite frankly, disrespectful and ill informed of what goes on behind the scenes whilst you wait for some big fireworks.

If not now, when. If not you, who? Instead of grumbling about women talking on her you could have written a letter to Amnesty for example. Why didn't you?

Also the hundreds of women writing to their MPs, their banks, etc, contributing to legal fee crowdfunds, writing on social and mainstream media comments, attending meetings, trying to influence their employers’ internal and public policies, leafleting and flyposting etc

Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/11/2024 18:01

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 26/11/2024 18:00

It's an understatement and a half, and that apparently intelligent(!) adults involved couldn't foresee the problems that could - and indeed have - arisen as a result of this nonsensical notion.

Surprised the resident 'you're all bigoted transphobes' haven't popped up yet.

No doubt they’ll be here soon! 🤪

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 26/11/2024 18:00

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 26/11/2024 17:50

It's absolutely bonkers that a law was enacted that allows a male to have his birth certificate changed to say he's female. It needs to be repealed.

It's become very clear how damaging this bit of legal fiction has been to women and our safety, privacy, dignity and rights.

It's an understatement and a half, and that apparently intelligent(!) adults involved couldn't foresee the problems that could - and indeed have - arisen as a result of this nonsensical notion.

Surprised the resident 'you're all bigoted transphobes' haven't popped up yet.

Isxmasoveryet · 26/11/2024 17:57

I doubt this whole my child is gender neutral/trans what trendy parents we are has helped matters much as it giving kids that will grow up into adults confused ideas

SmudgeHughes · 26/11/2024 17:57

And people are blinded by our desire to ‘just be kind’.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 17:55

What @GargoylesofBeelzebub said.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 26/11/2024 17:50

It's absolutely bonkers that a law was enacted that allows a male to have his birth certificate changed to say he's female. It needs to be repealed.

It's become very clear how damaging this bit of legal fiction has been to women and our safety, privacy, dignity and rights.

Helleofabore · 26/11/2024 17:49

And no man should be allowed into a woman's prison after rape until they've had their dick chopped off - would solve more than 1 problem!

Sadly, a male with their dick chopped off is still a male, just with their dick chopped off. There is no evidence that males at any stage of transition have a lower rate of committing sex crime.

And there there is more than one way to sexually assault and abuse women in women’s prison.

ILikeDungs · 26/11/2024 17:30

And no man should be allowed into a woman's prison after rape until they've had their dick chopped off - would solve more than 1 problem!

Sorry, no.

That man is still a MAN. Chopping dicks off does not change sex, and no man should be housed with women prisoners.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 26/11/2024 17:26

Fair point john 😀

JohnTheRevelator · 26/11/2024 17:23

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 26/11/2024 17:14

One assumes that once they have decided what a woman is they will be right into the what is a man question 🤔

As if!

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 26/11/2024 17:14

One assumes that once they have decided what a woman is they will be right into the what is a man question 🤔

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 26/11/2024 17:13

Speaking the truth 😀

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 26/11/2024 17:12

JohnTheRevelator · 26/11/2024 17:07

Can't believe the number of posts on this thread that have been deleted by Mumsnet. I wonder why? Because they're speaking the truth maybe? 🤔

breaking talk guidelines according to MNHQ,

HRTQueen · 26/11/2024 17:08

BodyKeepingScore · 26/11/2024 08:36

Noteworthy that what a "man" is has never been up for debate...

Interesting that ....

The reason for all of this is male entitlement

When a man makes a statement he speaks the truth. End of discussion

When a woman makes a statement its up for debate

JohnTheRevelator · 26/11/2024 17:07

Can't believe the number of posts on this thread that have been deleted by Mumsnet. I wonder why? Because they're speaking the truth maybe? 🤔

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WandsOut · 26/11/2024 17:04

Back to the news in hand

www.legalcheek.com/2024/11/what-is-a-woman-supreme-court-hears-landmark-legal-case/

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WandsOut · 26/11/2024 17:00

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Accusing women of being hysterical when they are talking about safeguarding says everything we need to know about you.

It's not the verbal win you think it is.

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OhNotNow · 26/11/2024 16:59

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Brefugee · 26/11/2024 16:57

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are you a bloke?

why don't you just stop scolding. If you're not going to lift a finger why are you here?

and seriously? 'hysterical'? ODFOD

Brefugee · 26/11/2024 16:55

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are you lecturing me, a 2nd wave feminist and seasoned protester, on women's history?

We. Need. Men's. Voices. Because. Men. Are. More. Likely. To. Listen. To. Men.