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To think that this week, as court decides what the legal definition of a woman is, that the Scottish Government (and others) aren't fit for purpose?

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WandsOut · 26/11/2024 08:25

The meaning of what a woman is, is supposedly being hammered out in court this week.
How many of you know we are being reclassified this week?

"If the Supreme Court rules that a man can become a woman because he declares it to be so - and vice versa - then the sex-based protections provided by the Equality Act will become meaningless.
After all, how does one protect - or even begin to consider - the rights of women if to be a woman is nothing more than a feeling?"
www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/crucial-legal-battle-over-the-definition-of-a-woman-is-one-for-our-bizarre-times-euan-mccolm-4880056

You can watch the shitshow here
m.youtube.com/@UKSupremeCourt/videos

Live tribunal tweets here tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/for-women-scotland-vs-the-lord-advocate

YANBU - To think that this week, as court decides what the legal definition of a woman is, that the Scottish Government aren't fit for purpose and neither is anyone else in senior positions who can't understand why biology is important.

YABU - Gender identity is more important than the sex based rights of women. Woman is an idea and anyone can identify as one.

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Rudicoolcat · 30/11/2024 11:07

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/11/2024 15:23

This is such a primeval fight, isn't it? And bewildering given we live in the 21st century with all it's accrued knowledge and scientific progress.

If at this point we are having to legally debate what constitutes "woman", then why not man? Or even human? It's the very definition of "the lunatics taking over the asylum" (and I say that with no disrespect to people with mental health issues, of whom I have been one, but of all the madness circulating in my brain at that time, biological nuance was not on the damn list).

I honestcannot quite grasp that the world I was a teenager in, and then a young woman, while not perfect in many ways, was more progressive and hopeful than the one we now live in. The regression I see across the board at 55 is far beyond my understanding apparently, far beyond my "lady brain".

I wonder if the collective subconscious will always be intent on punishing all women because a man wrote that Eve bit an apple and committed the worst transgression ever - seeking knowledge and progress despite being told No by a patriarchal entity (allegedly). Along with freedom from reproductive oppression and legal autonomy down the line.

The current manifestation of this is evolutionary psychology, quackery of the highest order espoused by psychologists at one end and misogynists at the other. The irony of course is that those championing these stupid ideas claim to be on our side and invite us to sup with devil.

When we refuse to capitulate, out come the cattle prods on both sides. It's uncomfortable being crushed between a rock and a hard place, being pitted against each other on a human level and feeling that there are no winners other than those rubbing their hands as they create the "rainbow pound".

Do I sound unhinged? Possibly I am. Once I might be snidely accused of being at the mercy of menstrual vagaries, but I'm past that now, so am I a withered bitter crone?

I'm securing my place in the handbasket, ready to go down fighting for women's rights, which are simply human rights, or should be. I just hope hell is warmer than this.

Last night husband and I watched Life of Brian.... Stan wanting to be Loretta is a clip that we thought just about sums up the madness today.

A recent payslip i received had a public notice attached, encouraging "people with a cervix" to ensure they have regular smear tests. So now I'm a person with a cervix and not a woman.... 😶

WandsOut · 30/11/2024 10:44

www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/11/scottish-government-is-ignoring-womens-rights

"Two things stood out as I followed the case on day two: that women (in Scotland in particular), were being gaslit by the Scottish government; and lesbians were, in effect, being told by the Scottish government that they were no longer protected in law according to their sexual orientation. By virtue of a legal piece of paper, it was argued, a “heterosexual male” could become a lesbian woman overnight. These were the words of Scottish government lawyers."

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WandsOut · 28/11/2024 21:05

And all the time through all of this the ironic thing is NO ONE ACTUALLY BELIEVES MEN CAN BECOME WOMEN.

Not one of the people making this judgement believe a man can become a woman. And yet they are deliberating it, sleeping on it, pondering it.

This gender nonsense is now making the law lie.
Swear on oath?
Lies.

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borntobequiet · 28/11/2024 13:40

You are perfectly correct, and not BU at all.

Benmac · 28/11/2024 13:36

The Scottish government is entirely unfit for purpose. Would love Holyrood to be disbanded. The money wasted on this glorified town council could be repurposed to actual deal with the real issues Scotland faces.

Brefugee · 28/11/2024 13:20

MovingCrib · 28/11/2024 11:55

I've been reading tweets about it and I think Parkrun might fall under the EA on this

Parkrun used to (do they still?) get money from Sport England with the specific intent of increasing women's participation in sport.

TBH Parkrun need to get over themselves and either: just give everybody a time and just publish them in alphabetical order (or only inform the individual runner) or admit they are allowing men into the women's category (since i assume they are not checking GRC/Birth certificate status). And then we can all stop pretending it's OK / Not OK (delete as applicable according to your views)

Needanewname42 · 28/11/2024 12:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2024 11:20

If anyone interested in watching, the video replay is now up:

www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2024-0042.html

I'll watch this later - thankyou 😊

MovingCrib · 28/11/2024 11:59

Indirect sex discrimination as no sex categories

MovingCrib · 28/11/2024 11:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2024 11:44

May I ask where this leaves Parkrun if FWS win?

I don't think it would affect Parkrun as they are not relying on the Equality Act to provide a female only thing.

I've been reading tweets about it and I think Parkrun might fall under the EA on this

MrTiddlesTheCat · 28/11/2024 11:54

YANBU. The ramifications of this ruling will be enourmous for women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2024 11:44

May I ask where this leaves Parkrun if FWS win?

I don't think it would affect Parkrun as they are not relying on the Equality Act to provide a female only thing.

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2024 11:40

Also abortion laws do not apply to trans men with a GRC because they are legal males.

MovingCrib · 28/11/2024 11:38

May I ask where this leaves Parkrun if FWS win?

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2024 11:36

BodyKeepingScore · 26/11/2024 08:36

Noteworthy that what a "man" is has never been up for debate...

Actually it was referred to.

Noteworthy -

A trans man doesn't gain full rights as a man even with a GRC. So being a legal man doesn't allow 'him' to gain inheritance rights. A male sibling will still inherit first. The Gender Recognition Act specifically excluded this right.

A trans man with a GRC who has a baby is a legal man so does not have rights under UK maternity legislation as this only applies to women. A trans man gives up those rights when they become legal men.

So in a nutshell trans men do not gain full advantages. I would hazard a guess that this is because they are female.

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2024 11:31

I didn't see the deleted posts but I think they were along the lines of women not doing enough or maybe doing too much.

What I will say is thank you to the tireless women of Mumsnet who were posting on the FWR boards long before I found them about the issues that were addressed by the Supreme Court over the last couple of days.

A fine line has had to be trodden with challenging Talk Guidelines (the truth is hateful/ bigoted).

Many of the arguments and even phrases we've seen on Mumsnet were used by Counsel for FWS and other interested in the court submissions.

Whatever the outcome this has hit a point of no return. Women shouldn't have to fight tooth and nail for the right to be seen, in legal terms, as fully human. Yet here we are.

If you are a woman and still think you should 'be kind' consider the world you are leaving your daughters.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2024 11:20

If anyone interested in watching, the video replay is now up:

www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2024-0042.html

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/11/2024 23:24

It's outrageous that the Scottish government are basically arguing the opposite of what they promised women before the GRR bill

YY.

CandlesOrangesRedribbon · 27/11/2024 22:03

It's going to be a momentus case whichever way it goes.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 27/11/2024 21:59

It's outrageous that the Scottish government are basically arguing the opposite of what they promised women before the GRR bill

AlisonDonut · 27/11/2024 21:15

That man is a lesbian because his certificate says so even though nobody is allowed to see the certificate but just believe him I mean her i mean on my goodness.

Notaflippinclue · 27/11/2024 20:40

Let's have another petition - vote everyone out of office who thinks men can become women, could reach 34 million in no time

WandsOut · 27/11/2024 07:38

Does the SNP expect us to accept that men can be lesbians? If so it is homophobic and you would expect Amnesty International would be outraged, shocked!
But no.

This insane men's rights movement has Amnesty as its bedfellow endorsing state sanctioned homophobia.

I wonder how many of the predominantly male judges are secretly getting their kicks by knowing how powerful they are.
Same old story.

To think that this week, as court decides what the legal definition of a woman is, that the Scottish Government (and others) aren't fit for purpose?
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WandsOut · 27/11/2024 07:28

x.com/joannaccherry/status/1861379255365452027?s=46

"I don’t think the founders of the SNP some of whom were women and some of whom were same sex attracted would be impressed if they could see the Scottish Government in court arguing for the subordination of women’s & lesbian rights to men who identify as women" - Joanna Cherry

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WandsOut · 26/11/2024 23:12

www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/24749222.transgender-woman-jailed-15-years-raping-young-girl-wirral/

It's a man.

In law this man should always be a man, a piece of paper shouldn't make him legally female.

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Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 26/11/2024 21:23

BodyKeepingScore · 26/11/2024 08:36

Noteworthy that what a "man" is has never been up for debate...

Good point. And solid evidence that genderism is part of the men’s rights movement.

No one argues about what a man is, because their identity is unassailable unless they choose to change it.

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