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rampy · 2024-11-25T23:19:56+00:00

I'm born and bred Aussie. We live in WA and kids here can't go to kindy or school without having been vaccinated. I have a couple of British friends who were so offended that they needed to vaccinate their kids they home schooled because 'well we'll just go back to the uk' but they've stayed and now need to get their kids vaccinated because they have no friends their own age and can't go to school without vaccines. You can't apply for child related benefits if your kid isn't vaccinated either here. Having seen NZ have just declared a whooping cough epidemic Id say I agree with WA stance I'm honest!

CharlieMagenta · 26/11/2024 02:59

RogueFemale · 26/11/2024 02:56

Just an inevitable consequence of failing to vaccinate against deadly viruses, and entirely the decision of anti-vax parents.

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There is usually a reason why people are antivax, and it’s usually after seeing a loved one suffer a severe reaction.
Lucky you to not have experienced this and sit on your high horse and judge others who have suffered it, and wish death on their children.
Unvaccinated kids aren’t dripping in disease.

CharlieMagenta · 26/11/2024 02:57

RogueFemale · 26/11/2024 01:55

I think it's fine for uneducated parents to not have their children vaccinated. In Darwinian terms, it means some of the kids will die before they go on to breed future generations of ignorance.

What isn't fine is for uneducated parents' unvaccinated children to mingle with children too young to be vaccinated or children/people who can't be vaccinated due to a medical condition, thus putting these people at risk.

You say 'the medical community has lost trust' etc. and 'they need to work hard to regain that trust'. This is sheer bollocks. The science of vaccination is very well established and proven. For example, smallpox no longer exists.

What has happened is that science has been undermined by snake oil merchants selling their wares to a gullible public who believe in 'fake news'.

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I’m not uneducated. In fact I work in a research department and followed a masters in policy evaluation. One of my children was fairy badly affected by her pre school booster. The other is unvaccinated. You call me uneducated and wish death on my younger child?

RogueFemale · 26/11/2024 02:56

CharlieMagenta · 26/11/2024 02:52

You are wishing death on children? Wow.

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Just an inevitable consequence of failing to vaccinate against deadly viruses, and entirely the decision of anti-vax parents.

TerrorAustralis · 26/11/2024 02:55

Each state has it's own health department and health (see also education, policing) is the responsibility of the states. That's because the country is a federation of states. So it's not a blanket across-Australia policy. (That's why the federal government trying to mandate country-wide Covid health policy was so difficult.)

So it's not a requirement to be enroled in childcare or education in all parts of Australia, but it is in WA. NSW asks for vaccination records, but does not require children to be up to date, hence the unvaccinated clusters in schools around Byron/NSW North Coast.

MermaidMummy06 · 26/11/2024 02:53

QLD is the same. I support the policy. I was horrified, during a whopping cough epidemic, to find my SIL was anti vax & let her young unvaxxed DC be all over my newborn without telling me. I assumed my DB would vax his DC. You never know who isn't vaxxed.

SIL quickly had her DC vaxxed a couple of years later to get them into their private school of choice, which had a vax policy for enrolments. I won't comment on how ragey that made me!!

CharlieMagenta · 26/11/2024 02:52

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You are wishing death on children? Wow.

CharlieMagenta · 26/11/2024 02:51

TheGoogleMum · 25/11/2024 23:25

I am also a Brit who thinks this rule is good. My kids are fully vaccinated! I would be in favour of it becoming law over here too (but it wont)

Presumably because your kids didn’t have any sort of severe reaction to any, otherwise you’d probably be against mandatory vaccination.

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Rachie1973 · 26/11/2024 02:48

UhhhhhhhOK · 25/11/2024 23:23

You have to show vaccinations for uk schools as well. Each to their own.

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No you don’t.

RedRobyn2021 · 26/11/2024 02:44

I vaccinate my child

But that policy is completely fucked yo

TerrorAustralis · 26/11/2024 02:43

ToothHurtyAppointment · 26/11/2024 00:01

I’m in Australia. Children can attend *some childcare centres without being vaccinated, they’re just not eligible for the childcare subsidy. Some (most) childcare centres refuse enrolment due to children not being vaccinated.

Family tax benefit is also cut by $30 per week for any children who are not vaccinated.

Children are eligible to attend school unvaccinated, even when the school asks for proof of vaccinations. A school (state schools) cannot refuse enrolment due to a child not being vaccinated. I’m a teacher and I have a few students in my class who are unvaccinated. One parent is totally anti vax because “you don’t know what they’re pumping into the kids”, yet ironically the packed lunch she sends her child is full of god knows what (eg a bag of skittles, Doritos and a bottle of Gatorade)…

It depends on the state. WA's policy is quite clearly "do not enrol" without an exemption.

Anuta77 · 26/11/2024 02:43

coxesorangepippin · 26/11/2024 01:26

People need vaccinations

No vaccine? No education

Same here in Canada

That is a lie, nobody ever verified my kids' vaccination status in Canada.
The only thing was during covid where unvaccinated (against covid) teenagers weren't allowed to do extracurricular activities. It was all abolished.

TempestTost · 26/11/2024 02:43

RogueFemale · 26/11/2024 01:55

I think it's fine for uneducated parents to not have their children vaccinated. In Darwinian terms, it means some of the kids will die before they go on to breed future generations of ignorance.

What isn't fine is for uneducated parents' unvaccinated children to mingle with children too young to be vaccinated or children/people who can't be vaccinated due to a medical condition, thus putting these people at risk.

You say 'the medical community has lost trust' etc. and 'they need to work hard to regain that trust'. This is sheer bollocks. The science of vaccination is very well established and proven. For example, smallpox no longer exists.

What has happened is that science has been undermined by snake oil merchants selling their wares to a gullible public who believe in 'fake news'.

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Trust doesn't work like that. Loss of trust in any authority calls into question everything that they say.

There have been so many medical and scientific scandals in recent years, and the medical and scientific community have been really compromised.

If people are worried about vaccinations, some group that is also implicated in other medical scandals is hardly going to be in a good place to convince them they should do what they are told.

TerrorAustralis · 26/11/2024 02:42

PyongyangKipperbang · 26/11/2024 00:00

So how does it work with a bad reaction?

DD1 had a horrific reaction to her first jabs and the GP said that she should not have anymore.

She went into a career in medicine that meant that she needed to get a lot of vaccinations in order to work and they all had to be done uner clinical conditions, actually in a theatre with staff there in case she reacted again.

Would she have had an exemption or would she simply have to be homeschooled?

She would get an exemption because hers is clearly a genuine medical case for one.

eightIsNewNine · 26/11/2024 02:37

PyongyangKipperbang · 26/11/2024 00:55

As I mentioned above, a lot of vaccines contain pig gelatin as a stabiliser, and this is something that strict followers of some religions simply cannot have. The same for vegans or vegetarians.

If there is not a vegan version of the vaccine available in that countries healthcare system, then they cannot be vaccinated.

I am atheist and a meat eater, but respect others beliefs and do not believe that someone should be forced to use use, ingest or otherwise be administered something that is wildly at odds with these values. So yes, I do believe that there should be religious or dietary exemptions.

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That's ridiculous.

Surely no religion would prefer the followers to risk their kids getting seriously ill over a small bit of gelatine.
Any religion unable to make an exception should be illegal.

Edit to add that vegan parents risking their child's health by refusing the vaccination are incredibly selfish.

OhcantthInkofaname · 26/11/2024 02:05

Annabmt · 25/11/2024 23:23

I am antivaccination if I can be, and we live in America. I would say that you should see if your friends can fill out an exemption form if possible. We have a religious exemption form so that we do not have to get vaccinations. I am pro-vaccine if they didn't add so many extra things into the vaccine, but they do.

What extra things are they putting in them?

Gingerlingerlonger · 26/11/2024 02:03

So, the rule makers are so concerned with children's health that they remove food money from family finances if parents don't comply.

I am not a fan of that sort of state coercion even though I am not an antivaxxer.

I also don't like calling all of those who don't vaccinate morons as some have legitimate issues with various vaccines, as previous posters have demonstrated. That in itself is moronic from the other side. The way some people talk as if children become infected with a disease the moment the vaccine against it is refused is quite deranged. There's ill informed ignorant shit said on both sides of the vaccine debate.

NiftyKoala · 26/11/2024 01:56

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 25/11/2024 23:21

I am also in WA and agree with the policy.

I wish everywhere had that policy too.

RogueFemale · 26/11/2024 01:55

TempestTost · 26/11/2024 01:39

I think it's great to encourage important vaccinations, but it's generally not a good idea to require them.

There has been a fair bit of work that's been done looking into how we get people to take vaccinations when they are skeptical for some reason.

One of the take-aways is - don't force them to do it, it makes the problem worse.

Sadly, the medical community has lost trust to a really significant degree. And it's pretty much totally their own fault. If they want to be able to convince people who are skeptical about treatments to trust their expertise they need to work hard to regain that trust. Which does NOT mean telling people they are stupid, just for the record.

I think it's fine for uneducated parents to not have their children vaccinated. In Darwinian terms, it means some of the kids will die before they go on to breed future generations of ignorance.

What isn't fine is for uneducated parents' unvaccinated children to mingle with children too young to be vaccinated or children/people who can't be vaccinated due to a medical condition, thus putting these people at risk.

You say 'the medical community has lost trust' etc. and 'they need to work hard to regain that trust'. This is sheer bollocks. The science of vaccination is very well established and proven. For example, smallpox no longer exists.

What has happened is that science has been undermined by snake oil merchants selling their wares to a gullible public who believe in 'fake news'.

Momtotwokids · 26/11/2024 01:53

CharlotteRumpling · 25/11/2024 23:50

No, am not a bot. I just believe in herd immunity.

So everyone else children get the vaccines so yours are safe?

TempestTost · 26/11/2024 01:51

coxesorangepippin · 26/11/2024 01:26

People need vaccinations

No vaccine? No education

Same here in Canada

There are many kids in Canada in school with no, or partial, vaccinations.

TempestTost · 26/11/2024 01:44

Ponderingwindow · 25/11/2024 23:44

I used to believe that if a policy was sound, people would do the right thing. Then the pandemic happened. I lost all faith in humanity. I now want experienced public health officials to advise on best practices and have those best practices mandated by law. so now I fully support the policy of requiring vaccinations for school. I think there should be medical exemptions, but not religious/philosophical.

But the authorities mandated all kinds of weird crazy stuff with no scientific basis during covid - why would you leave it up to them?

TempestTost · 26/11/2024 01:39

I think it's great to encourage important vaccinations, but it's generally not a good idea to require them.

There has been a fair bit of work that's been done looking into how we get people to take vaccinations when they are skeptical for some reason.

One of the take-aways is - don't force them to do it, it makes the problem worse.

Sadly, the medical community has lost trust to a really significant degree. And it's pretty much totally their own fault. If they want to be able to convince people who are skeptical about treatments to trust their expertise they need to work hard to regain that trust. Which does NOT mean telling people they are stupid, just for the record.

Harriww · 26/11/2024 01:38

PyongyangKipperbang · 26/11/2024 00:55

As I mentioned above, a lot of vaccines contain pig gelatin as a stabiliser, and this is something that strict followers of some religions simply cannot have. The same for vegans or vegetarians.

If there is not a vegan version of the vaccine available in that countries healthcare system, then they cannot be vaccinated.

I am atheist and a meat eater, but respect others beliefs and do not believe that someone should be forced to use use, ingest or otherwise be administered something that is wildly at odds with these values. So yes, I do believe that there should be religious or dietary exemptions.

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There are generally exemptions within religious/ethical frameworks if it’s about the preservation of human life. People practicing Judaism are obligated to guard their health, that includes vaccinations. Islam values both preventing harm and serving public interest. Most vegans/vegetarians will take medications that have animal ingredients if there is no other option (myself included), even PETA encourages vaccinations.

Zippidydoodah · 26/11/2024 01:38

UhhhhhhhOK · 25/11/2024 23:23

You have to show vaccinations for uk schools as well. Each to their own.

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No you don’t.