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stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 18:38

Can anyone help please?

I work 2 days as a primary teacher and I’m on UPS3. I earn roughly £1300 per month which is about £18k per year. My other half is a teacher too but in management ( class based) so has a lot of responsibility. I have three small children and I/we am/are really struggling to manage it all.

The lack of flexibility and stress of having such young children is really taking its toll on our stress levels and we simply cannot manage. I need to find an alternative job but I think I am going to struggle to find something that is paid similarly with the holidays.

Has anyone been in a similar position? I have the option of doing 3 days in a year or so.

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stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:10

GoodIsGoodEnough · 25/11/2024 18:57

In the gentlest way, I don't think you'll find what you're looking for either the salary you have. Another job would also require you to do multiple childcare provider drop offs wouldn't it?
If you're not having to WFH then I think you're doing pretty well. I'm a teacher too and do have to work at home.
Small children are hard and teaching is hard. But I think you'll also find difficulties elsewhere with the logistics.
Job satisfaction is important though! What would you like to do?

Thank you. I think you're right. I think I'd like to work with adults perhaps.

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Shinyandnew1 · 25/11/2024 19:10

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:08

I think you're right. I was looking for a unicorn. We have looked at 1 day a week and it's still an option but I need to find a way to make up some of the shortfall. We could probably manage on about £1k income I think.

Could you go down to one day a week and then do tutoring on a Saturday morning to make up the money?

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:09

Thanks @GranPepper . I really do know that we actually have a brilliant roll of the dice in some ways and other people have it much, much harder.

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estornudar · 25/11/2024 19:08

What about looking at other types of teaching? Lots of online schools have appeared recently, or look into special schools? I moved into special just over two years ago and would never look back! The workload is definitely reduced, though it was a big change at first. I know you've said you don't particularly enjoy teaching, but it could be something to consider?

skelter83 · 25/11/2024 19:08

Be careful what you wish for here. Teaching on that salary for 2 days, with the holidays, is not bad at all. Maybe get a cleaner rather than dropping your salary.

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:08

Gardendiary · 25/11/2024 18:55

Could you stop for a while and go back when the kids are a bit older? I honestly don't think that pay, a two day contract, plus all the school holidays really exists, unless you can contract in some very niche area.

I think you're right. I was looking for a unicorn. We have looked at 1 day a week and it's still an option but I need to find a way to make up some of the shortfall. We could probably manage on about £1k income I think.

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stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:07

Probablygreen · 25/11/2024 18:54

I get that you’re trying to think of something else you could do, but in the shorter term…
Why 3 childcare settings? Can this not somehow be cut to 2?
Housework - can you get a cleaner in a few hours a week? If your children are really young though, you might just have to lower your standards for a year or two! Things will get easier.
Also, just because your DH works full time, doesn’t mean he can’t pull his weight when he’s home. Only you know if that’s an issue and if it is, you need to speak to him about it, because things shouldn’t feel quite this overwhelming.
Do you think it feels worse because Christmas is coming up and you’ve got so many things to think about? I get a bit like that at this time of year but it passes come January.

It's 3 because they are at school, nursery and childminder. This will be a bit easier when my middle child goes to school in 2025. We have a brilliant cleaner who does make things a lot easier. Yes I think we need to look at distribution of jobs tonight. Thank you.

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stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:05

MintGlitter · 25/11/2024 18:53

Working and raising young children at the same time is just hard. However unless you can afford not to work, then two days term-time for your salary will be hard to beat.

This is what I was expecting to hear!

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bellocchild · 25/11/2024 19:05

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 18:47

@GranPepper yes I thought that but I'm trying to find something with similar hours, perhaps an extra day in a year or so.

The reasons are complex and multiple. I've never really wanted to be a teacher so I don't particularly enjoy the job ( not that the students would know that!) and I am ALWAYS surrounded by children which I find exhausting. So one aspect of it is job satisfaction. However it's mostly the balance of getting all three of them out of the house to 3 different childcare settings and then the work after school combined with the insane amount of housework which 3 children seem to generate. It seems so hard for 2 parents to be in teaching and raise the 3 of them effectively.

Teaching is probably one of the worst jobs for parents of very young children - you never escape the stress of delivering something necessary to your own offspring or someone else's. The kids themselves are usually lovely - but not always! - yet it's hard. If you can find something on the admin side, preferably surrounded by rational adults, for a couple of years it might help. You would have still have to cover part of the holidays, though.

ThisTeaIsBad · 25/11/2024 19:04

I know teachers who are making more tutoring than they do teaching. Might be something to look in to. Although maybe not as big change as you'd like?

Shinyandnew1 · 25/11/2024 19:02

I need to find an alternative job but I think I am going to struggle to find something that is paid similarly with the holidays.

You don’t particularly need the holidays for childcare if your DH is a teacher. Why not long for a job all year round?

Superhansrantowindsor · 25/11/2024 19:01

You won’t get a job that pays as much which is a lot less stressful. Your options are work more hours in a less stressful job or find a way to cope. It is tough when children are little but it does get easier.

Colourblinds · 25/11/2024 19:01

Could you teach adults in a college?

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:00

DownWhichOfLate · 25/11/2024 18:51

That’s the equivalent of about £45k per year. What are your qualifications and experience other than teaching?

This is what I find hard to answer when we discuss it at home. I went into teaching so I could get the experience to be apply to be an Ed psych but that ship has well and truly sailed. I enjoy working with adults the most I think. I'd love to do lecturing, parenting classes or even something like basic skills ( don't think it's called that) but I'm not sure I have the experience for that either.

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ZippyDoodle · 25/11/2024 19:00

If it's £18k for 2 days a week then the equivalent annual salary is £45k.

You'd be hard pushed to find something on that salary with no experience or training.

Do you need the £18k?

Part of the conundrum is that so many part time jobs are low paid or minimum wage. Realistically, you'd be looking at £10k for two days a week plus you wouldn't get the holidays. People assume part time low paid is low stress but it doesn't always work like that.

What about the education department at the local council? Experience might get your foot in the door then you could potentially move within the council if there's something else you fancy later on. Mind you. I work in social care and that is stress central!

Colourblinds · 25/11/2024 18:58

You won’t find a job paying that with the holidays & don’t forget the big pension contributions.

Could you do one day? I think it’s 3 young dc more than anything.

Probablygreen · 25/11/2024 18:57

Cross posted with your reply to me, but yes, I get the missing out on Christmas thing. There are schools that are a lot more flexible in this respect, if you liked your job and wanted to continue teaching.
I get it though, I left teaching for that reason, I felt like I was missing out on my kids’ lives too much.

GoodIsGoodEnough · 25/11/2024 18:57

In the gentlest way, I don't think you'll find what you're looking for either the salary you have. Another job would also require you to do multiple childcare provider drop offs wouldn't it?
If you're not having to WFH then I think you're doing pretty well. I'm a teacher too and do have to work at home.
Small children are hard and teaching is hard. But I think you'll also find difficulties elsewhere with the logistics.
Job satisfaction is important though! What would you like to do?

GranPepper · 25/11/2024 18:57

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 18:47

@GranPepper yes I thought that but I'm trying to find something with similar hours, perhaps an extra day in a year or so.

The reasons are complex and multiple. I've never really wanted to be a teacher so I don't particularly enjoy the job ( not that the students would know that!) and I am ALWAYS surrounded by children which I find exhausting. So one aspect of it is job satisfaction. However it's mostly the balance of getting all three of them out of the house to 3 different childcare settings and then the work after school combined with the insane amount of housework which 3 children seem to generate. It seems so hard for 2 parents to be in teaching and raise the 3 of them effectively.

It's insanely difficult for any couple with 3 children and, sorry, not to be critical, but many will be on a lot less of an income than you are with hours a lot longer than teachers are. I know this because of my DD hours as a teacher. You're unlikely to get another job at your income for 2 days a week with school holidays but good luck if you do. Job satisfaction is difficult to achieve unfortunately these days. There may be other ways of mitigating your situation - could you get a cleaner to decrease home chores; could you pay someone to babysit your children once a week/pick the older ones up from school/nursery whatever. It isn't easy with 3 young children but it won't be forever. Best wishes

Gardendiary · 25/11/2024 18:55

Could you stop for a while and go back when the kids are a bit older? I honestly don't think that pay, a two day contract, plus all the school holidays really exists, unless you can contract in some very niche area.

TryingDry · 25/11/2024 18:54

TryingDry · 25/11/2024 18:53

Don't forget getting the school holidays op. Fwiw, I also work in a school. I make less than you do for five days a week! But it is worth it to get the holidays off with my kids.

I worked in private sector before and holidays were a logistical nightmare.

Just worth thinking about before you give up on teaching 💐

Could you get into a non classroom based role in your school? I've worked as a TA and an LSA and liked it, but my school office job is much more peaceful. Terrible pay compared to yours though!

I also get to go to my dcs school plays etc. I just have to make up my hours another time by coming in early /staying late/ working through lunch

Probablygreen · 25/11/2024 18:54

I get that you’re trying to think of something else you could do, but in the shorter term…
Why 3 childcare settings? Can this not somehow be cut to 2?
Housework - can you get a cleaner in a few hours a week? If your children are really young though, you might just have to lower your standards for a year or two! Things will get easier.
Also, just because your DH works full time, doesn’t mean he can’t pull his weight when he’s home. Only you know if that’s an issue and if it is, you need to speak to him about it, because things shouldn’t feel quite this overwhelming.
Do you think it feels worse because Christmas is coming up and you’ve got so many things to think about? I get a bit like that at this time of year but it passes come January.

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 18:54

cansu · 25/11/2024 18:49

You have to decide whether you are willing to take a pay drop. You won't find a job paying the same money for the same hours. I suspect that the answer is your dp contributes more at home.

I think you're onto something!

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stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 18:53

MineMineMineMineMine · 25/11/2024 18:45

I'm a teacher and need another job too. But I'm not earning as much as you! I'm guessing your 2 in work days includes another wfh day in effect?

Its highly unlikely you'll find another job at the same salary but Im happy accepting lower pay for lower intensity and stress.

It feels like lots of teachers feel the same! No I don't work from home so just 2 days a week at school.

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MintGlitter · 25/11/2024 18:53

Working and raising young children at the same time is just hard. However unless you can afford not to work, then two days term-time for your salary will be hard to beat.