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stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 18:38

Can anyone help please?

I work 2 days as a primary teacher and I’m on UPS3. I earn roughly £1300 per month which is about £18k per year. My other half is a teacher too but in management ( class based) so has a lot of responsibility. I have three small children and I/we am/are really struggling to manage it all.

The lack of flexibility and stress of having such young children is really taking its toll on our stress levels and we simply cannot manage. I need to find an alternative job but I think I am going to struggle to find something that is paid similarly with the holidays.

Has anyone been in a similar position? I have the option of doing 3 days in a year or so.

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orangewasp · 25/11/2024 19:29

Could you teach adults in a college?

You probably could do this but pay in FE teaching will be significantly worse than you get now.

Overthebow · 25/11/2024 19:29

You’ve actually got a really good deal at the moment 2 days a week, decent take home pay for the no.days and school holidays off. Honestly you’re not going to find that doing anything else. 2 days a week is hard to come by anyway and would likely be minimum wage unless you’re already established in that career. You're unlikely to get the holidays too. There many of us working in stressful jobs with young children, I have 2 young DC in different settings and I work 4 days a week and my DH full time, and I don’t get school holidays off other than the standard annual leave. It’s hard, it’s hard for anyone working but we just have to get through these early years.

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:28

MrMucker · 25/11/2024 19:24

I would look to pay someone to do the drop offs in the morning.
Get them to come an hour before you have to leave and leave them to do all the leg work.
It will take a little training! It might take a while to find someone. Depends where you live.

In your favour, if you work in a school you have access to a huge community of staff and their contacts. Not just teachers, but site staff, admin staff and catering staff all local. You need to put your feelers out for help with the morning runs. Mention it to literally everyone at work. Someone will have suggestions.

It would then make the world of difference if you could leave home in the morning and focus on your job only, then on return, you leave your job focused on your home only.

Your situation is not going to get more difficult. It will get easier as the kids get older, and it seems quite draconian to leave your job when it might just need some thinking out of the box.

Good luck!

Thank you so much. I will have a good think about this!

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ZippyDoodle · 25/11/2024 19:26

Look into it. You might have to put an ad up.

They could come back to the house on those two days and straighten the house up, make the beds, prep dinner. You'd at least come home to a tidy house.

It's very difficult to tick the boxes of part time, flexible, well paid and interesting work. You have to prioritise what is important. Anything else is a bonus.

I actually think that public sector is much better for women than private sector as they are far more accommodating and have far more part time jobs that don't take the piss on the salary.

Have a look at civil service as well.

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:26

@Thisismetooaswell the job share has her kids in nursery and they aren't flexible with days. The missing school plays etc is crap but it's not the bit causing the most stress/unhappiness.

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GranPepper · 25/11/2024 19:25

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:00

This is what I find hard to answer when we discuss it at home. I went into teaching so I could get the experience to be apply to be an Ed psych but that ship has well and truly sailed. I enjoy working with adults the most I think. I'd love to do lecturing, parenting classes or even something like basic skills ( don't think it's called that) but I'm not sure I have the experience for that either.

The ship hasn't sailed. It's just in the harbour for now OP. For now, you've got 3 very young children, a 2 day a week job paying pretty good money and the prospect of changing your career once the children are "up a bit" such as them all being at school. If you really need a break, there is likely to be a Career Break policy which might give you a few months off to get yourself in the right frame of mind to keep going for now until you can change your job if you feel you need to. I would only add that I've seen many news items about the Contracts of FE lecturers not being robust so I'd say do your research and try not to jump out the frying pan into the fire

MrMucker · 25/11/2024 19:24

I would look to pay someone to do the drop offs in the morning.
Get them to come an hour before you have to leave and leave them to do all the leg work.
It will take a little training! It might take a while to find someone. Depends where you live.

In your favour, if you work in a school you have access to a huge community of staff and their contacts. Not just teachers, but site staff, admin staff and catering staff all local. You need to put your feelers out for help with the morning runs. Mention it to literally everyone at work. Someone will have suggestions.

It would then make the world of difference if you could leave home in the morning and focus on your job only, then on return, you leave your job focused on your home only.

Your situation is not going to get more difficult. It will get easier as the kids get older, and it seems quite draconian to leave your job when it might just need some thinking out of the box.

Good luck!

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:24

@potatocakesinprogress okay. Thank you.

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Thisismetooaswell · 25/11/2024 19:24

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 18:52

I work 2 days. They are 7, 3 and 18 months. Yes I thought that would be the case. One of the hard things is missing the school plays etc because we're at work ( they always seem to fall on my working days) and I wish I could have a job which offered flexibility around school drop offs etc so we didn't have to faff around with multiple childcare providers. The reasons for stress are in a post above ^

If you work 2 days, presumably another teacher works the other 3? Could you not ask to swap with them if your child has a school play etc?

potatocakesinprogress · 25/11/2024 19:24

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:22

@potatocakesinprogress I have 2 of the preschool children off with me on those days off so it's not like I have 5 days to commit to the house. I am looking after them!

You don't need 5 days to commit to the house, it's literally 15 mins of an evening.

I think you don't appreciate what you have.

Simonjt · 25/11/2024 19:22

Shinyandnew1 · 25/11/2024 19:02

I need to find an alternative job but I think I am going to struggle to find something that is paid similarly with the holidays.

You don’t particularly need the holidays for childcare if your DH is a teacher. Why not long for a job all year round?

Yes I thought this as well, he is already available to cover the school holidays bar the odd inset day that doesn’t match up, you don’t need two people off in the holidays.

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:22

@potatocakesinprogress I have 2 of the preschool children off with me on those days off so it's not like I have 5 days to commit to the house. I am looking after them!

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ThisTeaIsBad · 25/11/2024 19:21

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:14

I have definitely looked at this and spent hours researching. It's the fact that most parents want tutoring after school which in some ways makes it harder to manage.

I think there is quite a big market with home schooled children too that wouldn't need to be after school.

potatocakesinprogress · 25/11/2024 19:19

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:09

Thanks @GranPepper . I really do know that we actually have a brilliant roll of the dice in some ways and other people have it much, much harder.

In some ways?! In all ways.

You have a husband on a good salary with school holidays.
You work 2 days a week with a great pro rata salary, school holidays, and no work to take home.
You have childcare sorted for your kids, and it will be more efficient from next year.
You have a brilliant cleaner.

It's really just that you don't like teaching children, and you already said you'd be happy to teach adults (so not retraining in an entirely different area).

I'm not sure why you've listed housework as a problem since you have a cleaner, kids and husband are out a fair amount, and you presumably have time for it with 5 days a week off?

But generally you're living most people's dream. Most people don't have all that, and the ones who are closest have a rubbish cleaner or childcare.

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:19

JasmineTea11 · 25/11/2024 19:14

Might you consider a cleaner as a medium term solution, to clean on the days you're teaching?

We have one. She's fantastic. We are both messy people and have to work extra hard to keep the place tidy. Some people are just naturally tidy and we are not!

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TwinklyAmberOrca · 25/11/2024 19:19

@stressedteachersos that's the whole thing about teaching - the term time hours are SO intense, hence the pay is reasonable!

If you want a less stressful job you will need to either take a pay cut or work more hours. If there was a less stressful option with the same holiday and pay we'd have no teachers!

You need to establish WHY you find teaching so stressful. You may find with childcare drop offs with other jobs are just as stressful.

I teach 4 days a week and have 3 kids. On my day off I do my planning and marking whilst the kids are at school (youngest now 8) which doesn't always fit in so I do some work at weekends. Last week I have worked 48 hours due to marking Y11 exams.

What about working evenings in a supermarket or pub? That way you don't need any childcare for the younger two, can do all the school runs, and your DH can manage the bed time. At minimum wage of £12.21/hour you could do 4 evenings a week say 6pm til 11.30pm which is 16.5 hours so £201 a week. The amount you'd save on childcare it would probably be MORE than you get doing 2 days teaching.

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:17

ZippyDoodle · 25/11/2024 19:15

You almost need to hire a granny to help get them sorted and drop them off in the morning. I know someone who did this after school. I sometimes feel there is a gap in the market for a girl Friday do anything sort of person!

I'd chuck some money at the problem if you can while you work on a longer term plan to get out. Work is so difficult these days that it might be out of the frying pan into the fire.

I wouldn't bother with Ed Psych. That takes forever to qualify.

absolutely!! It would make all the difference. Yes I've heard EP is just not worth it anymore and we can't afford the huge cut in salary.

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strawberryandtomato · 25/11/2024 19:17

I felt the same way you did when the kids were younger. But I've also found they need me more as they are older. Taking them to clubs, being around.
3 of that age is HARD.
But it's not forever. And to have that salary on 2 days a week is ideal.
I earn that working 20-25 hours a week. But I do it because it's flexible.
I could only suggest teaching in the school your children go too as an option. Or hope your OH steps up a bit more.

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:16

skelter83 · 25/11/2024 19:08

Be careful what you wish for here. Teaching on that salary for 2 days, with the holidays, is not bad at all. Maybe get a cleaner rather than dropping your salary.

I needed to hear this. Thank you. I think I need to try to reframe and be grateful for all the things that do work in our favour.

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ZippyDoodle · 25/11/2024 19:15

You almost need to hire a granny to help get them sorted and drop them off in the morning. I know someone who did this after school. I sometimes feel there is a gap in the market for a girl Friday do anything sort of person!

I'd chuck some money at the problem if you can while you work on a longer term plan to get out. Work is so difficult these days that it might be out of the frying pan into the fire.

I wouldn't bother with Ed Psych. That takes forever to qualify.

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:14

ThisTeaIsBad · 25/11/2024 19:04

I know teachers who are making more tutoring than they do teaching. Might be something to look in to. Although maybe not as big change as you'd like?

I have definitely looked at this and spent hours researching. It's the fact that most parents want tutoring after school which in some ways makes it harder to manage.

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JasmineTea11 · 25/11/2024 19:14

Might you consider a cleaner as a medium term solution, to clean on the days you're teaching?

stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:13

Shinyandnew1 · 25/11/2024 19:02

I need to find an alternative job but I think I am going to struggle to find something that is paid similarly with the holidays.

You don’t particularly need the holidays for childcare if your DH is a teacher. Why not long for a job all year round?

I think he'd divorce me 😂

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stressedteachersos · 25/11/2024 19:11

ZippyDoodle · 25/11/2024 19:00

If it's £18k for 2 days a week then the equivalent annual salary is £45k.

You'd be hard pushed to find something on that salary with no experience or training.

Do you need the £18k?

Part of the conundrum is that so many part time jobs are low paid or minimum wage. Realistically, you'd be looking at £10k for two days a week plus you wouldn't get the holidays. People assume part time low paid is low stress but it doesn't always work like that.

What about the education department at the local council? Experience might get your foot in the door then you could potentially move within the council if there's something else you fancy later on. Mind you. I work in social care and that is stress central!

Good idea. I will keep my eyes peeled!

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Ionacat · 25/11/2024 19:11

I don’t think you’re going to find a term time only job on that salary outside of teaching with flexibility.

How about a change of school or even sector? Secondary or FE might suit you - there’s often more opportunities to branch out simply as the schools/colleges are bigger and you’re not stuck with the same class all the time so you can gain experience elsewhere. Some schools are happy for you to swap non-teaching periods so you can get to school plays etc. (That is very school dependent though!)