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Dealing with teachers who are (imho) bullying children

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derivativation · 25/11/2024 17:44

DC is year 8. The school was mostly amazing last year but unfortunately we have had a head change head and several new teachers, with several really good teachers leaving.

Several of the new teachers get too critical with the children, saying they are not very clever, that they have no thoughts, their mind is a void, boys are not as good as girls etc. DC is well behaved and so not affected until last week. DC has however stood up for one of the children who was being called stupid by making a light hearted comment. DC was really upset that children were being called stupid and we had decided to try to move school by that point, though it will take a bit of time to organise because of practicalities. But now it has got worse. Last week and today two teachers in classes where DC has done well and the teacher has sung DC's praises (DC does all required homework, does not disrupt classes, puts hand up to speak) talked to DC as though DC had done something very bad and that he deserved to be treated really badly. DC very upset. I strongly suspect that the teachers are intentionally trying to take DC down a peg or two because someone has said they are too much of a smarty pants. DC is quiet and can come across as quietly confident, but DC is not confident at all deep down.

The new head is a chocolate teapot who has brought in a series of changes to rules which appear to be designed to humilate and shame children.

Any brilliant ways of dealing with this while DC has to attend? If I try to talk to the teachers they will think that I am trying to tell them what to do and it will make things worse for DC. If I tell them that DC is in fact not confident and is in some ways quite vulnerable, they will pick on him. I am not joking unfortunately.

I wish I could home school but to set that up would take just as long as finding a better school.

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HoundsOfSmell · 25/11/2024 19:56

I do know that some teachers are bullies and some heads are chocolate teapots but without real detail it’s difficult to make up our mind

ParkBench5 · 25/11/2024 19:56

Too many aspects of this story don’t stack up for me.

Not one but “several” teachers are calling DC stupid and making generally rude comments. Multiple teachers gossiping about “smarty pants” DC and wanting to take them down a peg. A number of teachers now suddenly taking against a good DC following said gossip. A headteacher deliberately aiming to “humiliate and shame” children.

I have had DC in the school system for many decades and have never heard of any of the above happening. Teachers have a difficult enough job as it is without conspiring to bully or humiliate DC. Whose interest would it serve to do so?

I suspect there is a strong case of Chinese whispers here and that the school won’t be devastated to see you and your DC go.

Lemonadeand · 25/11/2024 19:55

The school sounds toxic. If you have an exit plan for your child then I’d just be telling him to keep his head down until he’s out of the door, sadly.

leftfootinletfootout · 25/11/2024 19:52

Of course it's relevant because you don't actually know exactly what was said, you're just believing whatever your child is saying.

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 25/11/2024 19:52

derivativation · 25/11/2024 19:50

If I have a well behaved child who does well and does not get into trouble, what on earth makes you think there is no discipline?

Your child did get into trouble. For being badly behaved and rude towards a teacher.

derivativation · 25/11/2024 19:50

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 25/11/2024 19:47

Do you really believe more people feel the need to homeschool than teachers feel the need for parents to actually discipline their kids?

If I have a well behaved child who does well and does not get into trouble, what on earth makes you think there is no discipline?

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derivativation · 25/11/2024 19:49

leftfootinletfootout · 25/11/2024 19:36

You weren't there op

You keep saying that. How is that relevant?

There is no court determining who is right or who is wrong. I have a dc who needs help and I am giving them help. Other posters saying "oh but you don't know" or "oh your dc shouldn't need help they should just be able to be resilient" or "oh parents are so mean and teachers are so great and this is why teachers don't want to teach" are missing the point. I am not marching in there causing trouble. I am asking if anyone wise and sensible has some strategies which will work to help dc feel more comfortable without me making waves which will make things worse.

I give up for today actually. Will check back tomorrow.

Thank you to posters who have tried to help.

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leftfootinletfootout · 25/11/2024 19:48

You haven't confirmed how you know all this op ??

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 25/11/2024 19:47

derivativation · 25/11/2024 19:43

Actually it is the other way round, this is why so many people feel they need to homeschool.

Do you really believe more people feel the need to homeschool than teachers feel the need for parents to actually discipline their kids?

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 25/11/2024 19:46

You need to speak to the teacher and find out what actually happened. Because from what you've heard, the teacher was a bully. But from what you've written, the other child was unruly, your child interrupted/spoke out of turn/answered back, and the teacher disciplined them because that doesn't meet expectations.

derivativation · 25/11/2024 19:44

Marblesbackagain · 25/11/2024 19:39

The op has clearly said their behaviour is consistent. It sounds like new teachers not using appropriate language at the very least. I wouldn't tolerate a peer or professional using stupid as a description.

As teachers I would expect better.

Thank you. I am really shocked at some of the posts here.

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derivativation · 25/11/2024 19:43

Hoppinggreen · 25/11/2024 19:36

Its about discipline and preparing children for their future
Theres a whole other thread on it if you are interested and in fact OP you are providing an excellent example of whay teachers say they can't teach any more.

Actually it is the other way round, this is why so many people feel they need to homeschool.

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NotEnoughRoom · 25/11/2024 19:42

Normally, I am all for working with the school to understand the issues, and come to an agreement on the way forward, however... by the time you have collated the recent examples, set up meetings with head of year/school leader to ask for their perspective on the incidents, understood the facts of these incidents etc, and then agreed what should have happened/what will happen next time, it'll be Christmas. You've obviously lost faith in the school, so not sure that any discussions with them would be productive anyway.

If you are likely to get your DC into a new school in January, then honestly, I'd tell them to keep their head down and ride it out for the last few weeks of term.

Marblesbackagain · 25/11/2024 19:39

cansu · 25/11/2024 18:00

Telling someone that their behaviour was stupid or that they made a stupid comment is fair. Your dc does not get to be the judge of what is a lighthearted comment. In class the teacher is in charge of what is OK or not.

Your dc generally does well and the teachers praise him. This time he did something not so good and was told off. You and he dislike this. You need to teach your dc that sometimes he will get things wrong and sometimes he will be called out on his behaviour. He needs to cope with this.

The op has clearly said their behaviour is consistent. It sounds like new teachers not using appropriate language at the very least. I wouldn't tolerate a peer or professional using stupid as a description.

As teachers I would expect better.

leftfootinletfootout · 25/11/2024 19:36

You weren't there op

Hoppinggreen · 25/11/2024 19:36

derivativation · 25/11/2024 19:32

Not subject of thread, but I initially went to a secondary school (many years ago...) whcih had a ridiulously strict uniform policy, and moved after two terms to a much better and nicer school without a strict uniform policy. I think sometimes it is just a ridiculously strict policy. Re security, I understand the importance of having the right colour jumper, the right colour shirt. Having exactly the right number of mm between creases is not so necessary?!

Its about discipline and preparing children for their future
Theres a whole other thread on it if you are interested and in fact OP you are providing an excellent example of whay teachers say they can't teach any more.

ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 25/11/2024 19:35

Who has told you all this?

And you are calling a headteacher 'a chocolate teapot'??

HoundsOfSmell · 25/11/2024 19:33

A few questions …

was the teacher saying the children were stupid or that the children’s behaviour was stupid? There is a big different.

what light hearted comment did DC say?

what humiliating changes and rules has the head bought in?

derivativation · 25/11/2024 19:33

Makingchocolatecake · 25/11/2024 19:17

'DC has however stood up for one of the children who was being called stupid by making a light hearted comment. DC was really upset that children were being called stupid'

Did they say 'you are stupid' or 'you are being stupid'? Huge difference!

That the child was stupid. Yes, there is a difference!

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derivativation · 25/11/2024 19:32

Tittat50 · 25/11/2024 18:56

@Corrrrrblimey Ahh, that makes sense. It's good to know that. Thankyou. I know so many kids find it ridiculously strict ( we have for example no white socks or you'll face detention, blazer at all times on top of jumper).

Not subject of thread, but I initially went to a secondary school (many years ago...) whcih had a ridiulously strict uniform policy, and moved after two terms to a much better and nicer school without a strict uniform policy. I think sometimes it is just a ridiculously strict policy. Re security, I understand the importance of having the right colour jumper, the right colour shirt. Having exactly the right number of mm between creases is not so necessary?!

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leftfootinletfootout · 25/11/2024 19:31

The teachers have got better things to do than listen to this silly bollocks

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 19:29

Ask for a meeting with the teachers in question.

Makingchocolatecake · 25/11/2024 19:17

'DC has however stood up for one of the children who was being called stupid by making a light hearted comment. DC was really upset that children were being called stupid'

Did they say 'you are stupid' or 'you are being stupid'? Huge difference!

MrMucker · 25/11/2024 19:08

I work in education, I love my job, I spend my days only with other professionals who love their jobs and it's been that way for decades. We are absolute pros in working hard, supporting children, progressing them, protecting them.

All I get from the OP is that their child can do no wrong even when not in front of their parent's eyes to prove it, and if anyone else in loco parentis is not actively praising them and accommodating their personal preferences, then that person is a bully. Also, there is zero fact base for any of this, but an overriding concern to depict the attitudes of all school staff in a combative and unwarranted way.

I struggle to see what this parent wants apart from maligning the school at the expense of parenting their own child into the sort of mindfulness or self affirmation they can practice when they don't like a tone of voice or whatever else which is actually as innocent as classroom wallpaper.

Stop complaining about schools and parent your child into greater resilience.

Stormyweatheroutthere · 25/11/2024 19:07

We removed ds.. There really was no alternative..