To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

No, not uncomfortable. Thanks for your concern, though.
Genetically connected. Not father.

Are you quoting from a google search summary from Science Direct, by chance?
Other studies, NHS included, show no increased risk and that risk in all study groups increased with a mental health history.

I agree.

Donor conceived children have a right to their feelings and opinions. Stating they have no “father” is biologically incorrect and cruel.

If people are arguing that the NHS can't fund IVF the thought that they'd invest ANY funds into unexplained infertility is truly laughable.

Next to nothing is known about female reproduction you just have to look at the thousands of women with endometriosis left suffering to see that.

Your extremely insensitive language is pretty disgusting.

He IS her biological father.

Kids know they have a biological mother and biological father.

Trying to gaslight someone who is dealing with complex feelings because they make YOU uncomfortable is awful.

That’s not necessarily true.

There is ample evidence that women who have been through IVF are more likely to develop PND. The thinking behind it is seems to be that because there has been such a struggle to conceive, the person idealises parenthood to an unrealistic degree.

Personally I know two people who had IVF, after multiple miscarriages, years of treatments, and both of them realised that while they’d wanted a baby due to natural broodyness, neither of them enjoyed being a mum, and said that if they’d known then what they knew now, they would never have gone through it.

One of them actually ended up going back to work full time after just eight weeks, whenever they went on holiday they had to find somewhere with full-time holiday clubs by day and babysitting by night, because she felt that although she worked from 8-6 Monday to Friday and her DH did half the childcare on weekends, she needed a break from her dD. It was incredibly sad.

I think we need to be careful not to essentially paint women who have been through IVF as heroes and make some kind of statement that their children are more loved because of what they have been through, because that’s simply not true, and is an insult to parents who love their children just as much, and that means of conception is not a barometer to how much a child is loved.

Based on that surely the reverse applies to IVF? They will always know they were 100% wanted, to the extent that their parents (particularly mother) were willing to go through tests and invasive procedures for the sole purpose of having them? My daughter is currently only nearly 3 but I often think no matter what else happens at least she'll always know she was very much wanted (I was the result of an accidental pregnancy and as children my sister would often taunt me with "Which one of us was planned again?").

I have a family member with a prosthetic so I know (a little bit) about the availability, likewise provision of wheelchairs from public funding. I'm aware that there isn't endless money to provide the very best possible treatment/care in many many fields and that most have a compromise of 'we can provide this but if you want beyond the basic you will need to fund it'.

Are you also against forms of contraception like the coil? With the coil, sperm and eggs fertilise into embryos but they are prevented from implanting - actually very similar to discarded embryos from IVF - yet it's contraception

@RogueFemale "And thanks to the changing nature of work, we could continue to be productive for longer. Today, jobs in developed economies are seldom physically demanding. Whereas once running a farm demanded the hard toil of dozens of women and men from dawn till dusk, for instance, now only a handful of people are needed given the enormous effectiveness of modern machines. Technological advances mean that being 60 today is not the 60 of a century or even 50 years ago. That we choose to retire and spend decades at leisure is proof of wealth and success." so we will all just work into our old age and never retire and you think that's a good thing?

"An older population will place undoubted pressure on health spending and revenues, however this will in part be offset by lower spending on young people’s education" .. who's going to be treating the older population? 😵‍💫

50 years ago if you were infertile you had a pretty good chance of adopting a new born. The rise of fertility treatment has gone almost arm in arm with the decline in babies available for adoption. We were exploring adoption as an option but knew we were very unlikely to be able to adopt a baby, that most children in need of homes have levels of additional needs/trauma that means green around the gills first time parents aren't a great fit. The reason we weren't actively pursuing adoption was that I had fallen pregnant naturally (twice in 8 years, both end in miscarriages) so it was possible that I could do so again and adoption agency required us to promise we would stop TTC. If we had reached a point when we had reached the end of the road on trying to conceive we would have pursued adoption but we were weren't ready to give up when DS arrived.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/ib-knowledge/finance/ageing-populations-and-declining-birth-rates-are-they-really-such-catastrophe/

As I said in an early post I take it that poster isn't in favour of prosthetic legs on the NHS - it doesn't 'fix' limb loss/absence and people with one leg could use crutches.

There are many things in medicine that don't 'fix' the issue, they help if, some issues can't be fixed. Although my mum did have IVF to have my siblings but had me naturally a few years later, so maybe it did fix the issue.

@pinksheetss my sister is a doctor for the NHS and she is the result of IVF, many people on this thread could have potentially benefitted from her existence 🥰 although I did read one person refer to the existence of 10 million people as 'ridiculous'

He was a donor of sperm. He was not and is not her father.

Most people TRY to conceive, I.e they have their babies on purpose. They choose to get pregnant...

It's really not on to tell someone that how they refer to their biological parent is wrong. The poster is literally correct, that person is her biological father, a biological father is the person who provides the sperm. That's what a biological father is.

Your lack of comprehension seems to apply to more than the English language…

“It doesn’t fix the person though. If you fixed the person they could create their own embryo and carry to term.”

You’re also the awful poster who seems to believe that people are infertile “for a reason nature wise”.

Your comments are completely heartless and cruel. I’m quite sure that you wouldn’t voice an opinion like this face-to-face with anyone in the real world. Imagine if it was one of your close friends or family members – would you tell them they are infertile for a reason?

This is one of the worst threads I have ever read on MN. There are so many posts showing zero empathy, a complete lack of respect for facts, cherry picking of sensational stories, and an almost comical level of hypocrisy.

In response to the original question, yes there are still questions to be asked about the ethics of IVF, as there are about every aspect of assisted reproduction. Given the magnitude of what we’re doing in creating life, in a way that was impossible just half a century ago, it would be irresponsible if these weren’t interrogated.

Personally, I know lots of people who have been able to have children as a result of IVF who otherwise wouldn’t, and I’m thrilled for them, and that it’s available. But I’ve always felt that I’d struggle to opt for it myself because I do have qualms about potentially creating embryos which need to be disposed of - in the same way that I don’t think I could choose abortion for myself but am grateful that it’s legal. I also have concerns about women being encouraged, through financial savings on their own treatment, to donate their eggs. If having their own biological children is so paramount, how do they square that with the knowledge that they may have biological children elsewhere who they don’t know? I don’t think I could contemplate that.

Generally though I don’t have an issue with IVF - I’m just breaking it down because the question’s been asked. Surrogacy, on the other hand, I find absolutely morally repugnant for all the reasons others have mentioned.

I don’t believe so. It was some pages ago so I’m not going trawling now! It stuck with me, though, as a very unpleasant comment.

This 100%

I’m so glad it worked for you. I think your funding suggestion is sensible, particularly as more options become available in the future.

You don’t mean me do you, because I never said that anyone with infertility should just get over it. As @nothingcomestonothing said I said it is possible to get over it.

I'm truly sorry you feel that way, but that man is not your father. He donated genetic material for you to be conceived by someone who wanted a child.
Have you considered counselling to help you process your feelings and discuss what may be a sort of existential crisis?