To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

If there was a link between IVF and cancer then I dare say we'd know about it seeing as tens of millions of women have had IVF. The two women you knew who died from cancer who also had IVF are just coincidences, would you be concerned their cancer was caused by any other medical treatment they'd both happened to have?

Did you just say that in your out loud voice? Do realise that you pressed “post” and we can all read that now?

I don't have an issue with IVF, as a treatment for infertility (pre menopause) . I disagree with it being used for women in their 60s or 70s (rare but it has happened)

I disagree with surrogacy, and don't see it as the same thing.

@Nn9011 What evidence do you have that many children born from ivf have physical and mental problems?

There have been 12 million ivf children. I find it very hard to believe that even a significant minority have health problems. We've had ivf for almost 50 years now and lots of ivf children will have their own children.

I egg shared for my first two cycles of IVF. I know there is a male child born in 2009 out there somewhere.

At no point was I coerced or persuaded to do so. I would CHOOSE to do it all over again in a heartbeat.

We can talk til the cows come home about how a child is conceived having an impact. I mean, my friend conceived in a shrub on our Travel & Tourism residential trip to Majorca when she was 17 with the help of a man she'd never met. Is that preferable to a loving couple, desperate to love a child accepting my eggs to use?

I'm sorry but I find your comment abhorrent. Natures way of controling population increase? That's disgusting. My husband survived cancer, hence our need for IVF. Should he have died to save population control? Should my DD not exist now because well really he should be dead, so she shouldn't have even be a thing in the first place?

Glad you have your natural child. I hope to god one day she doesn't need IVF

This is a disgusting and hurtful post. Of course there isn't "always something wrong" with IVF children, you surely can't actually believe that.

Your friend clearly being part of the problem does not excuse your use of dehumanising language.

Regarding IVF, there are ethical issues when it comes to sperm and especially egg donation. I don't think it happens in Britain, but in some countries young women are really exploited as egg donors. But IVF using the gametes of both parents is not in itself an ethically troubling issue. Whether it should be funded by the NHS is another question, but not really relevant here.

Surrogacy is a different matter entirely. It involves 'renting out' a woman's body for 9 months and then taking a tiny baby away from its only source of comfort. Even 'altruistic' surrogacy is wide open to coercion and all sorts of other ethical problems. 'Commercial' surrogacy is simply horrifying. Handmaid's tale stuff.

Personally I think surrogacy should be banned in all its forms, as it is in most European countries.

I am against IVF with donor eggs or sperm. Just look up Laura High on TikTok.

I don’t think I would ever do it myself, as we really don’t know much about the long term impact of it (less than 50 years is nothing) and it is so punishing on the mother.

But in general not against the principle of IVF…IVF on the NHS is a tricky one.

I don't agree with surrogacy - there are biological reasons why it's devastating for a baby to be ripped away from birth mother.

For IVF I have concerns, nothing religious more aboth the ethics of it. Many children born through IVF deal with medical issues whether that's physical or mental. How do we decide what embryos to use without boarding on eugenics but avoiding unnecessary harm to children knowing they may deal with difficulties as a result? There's also issues with the use of donors and the ethics of it.

And yet how amazing is it people who wouldn't otherwise are able to have children!? I think it is an incredible breakthrough that needs much more oversight and regulations.

I don’t agree with IVF if it involves egg and sperm donation, but other than that, I think it’s ok.

Surrogacy is the renting of women and their wombs and purchasing of babies which is extremely unethical. It should be banned everywhere imo.

Medical science isn't far off being able to make egg cells from any cell. So a 90 year women could create a viable egg.

When I say woman, it's actually possible for any human.

It is unconscionable to remove a newborn infant from its biological mother (unless said mother is incapable of providing a safe and loving home).

If by biological mother you mean the woman who provided the egg and is genetically related to the child, then in many, if not most, cases of surrogacy the birth mother is not the biological mother of the child. She carries a child that she is not related to. Even in surrogacy for gay couples, the egg donor and the birth mother are different people.

I know several women who having carried multiple children of their own have volunteered to carry a child for someone else, who have been unable to carry a baby to term themselves. None of them considered they were giving up their own baby.

I know the law in many countries treats the birth mother as the legal mother even if she is not genetically linked, but I wanted to point behind the biology to be clear.

I am a Catholic. I had one round of IVF on the nhs due to medical issues with my husband and am so thankful that it was successful ( my eggs/ husbands sperm). Those saying you dont agree with it on the nhs are of course entitled to your opinion, but unless you've been there....
infertility was out of my control.

Re - ‘discarded’ embryos. I was incredibly lucky and had plenty of successfully fertilised eggs and they froze the embryos as I hoped further down the line to have another.

Sadly my husband had different ideas and left post-affair. Using those embryos therefore wasn’t an option and they were donated to medical science. Heart breaking for me at the time but I feel incredibly lucky to have my son.

And hopefully those embryos will go towards helping research in some other area of medicine / to treat life threatening diseases affecting everyone - both pro and anti IVF!!

There are definitely doctors who disagree with IVF. I know one consultant geneticist who said it is far too early to say it is a good thing, and that he would never advocate for it or do it himself.

Not in this country , no.

The more I think about it the less I like surogacy, to deliberately take a child away from their mother is not something I am comfortable with. I'm not sure about IVF on the NHS, and definitely not when the access is different across the country but I'm very open to the science of it.

And you have people who want it to be only accessible to rich people as they don’t agree with it being offered on the NHS. Usually said by those who were able to conceive without issue.

@Elphamouche please edit your post to delete "Karen". It's a terrible slur and will just derail the thread

“Karen” 🙄🙄🙄

yeah of course your best friend has done it.

Why are you so concerned about her changing her mind then?

@Elphamouche defending your misogynistic language by using yet more misogynistic language. Classy.

As already said. Best friend referred to herself as a carrier. Have closely been through this.

thank you and good night.