To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

That question wasn't directed at me, but while 'altruistic' surrogacy isn't as obviously ethically fraught as simply trading in babies, there are many issues too. What if the sister was coerced into surrogacy? What if she wants to keep the baby? How will her own children feel to see her carrying a baby which is not going to be their sibling but their cousin? And so on.

Is destroying a viable embryo any different from taking the morning after pill?

So wrong to use the terminology that there's something "wrong" with children!! I'm sure there's no evidence that IVF impacts on children in that way?! Utter bollox

I have three non IVF kids. My middle child is autistic. Your terminology of "wrong" is highly offensive. I'm sure you'd lump my child in that category.

There will be loads of IVF kids you don't know are IVF kids. Most people don't advertise it.

Many people do have left over embryos. I have had 8 cycles of ivf and have mostly used all embryos, but we do have 2 frozen. Would either actually become a baby? Who knows. I have produced many embryos, lots a better grade than those two even, but I have only two children.

Yes, and the talk of the only issue being the 'carrier' deciding she might want to keep the baby she's creating in her own body, as if it was like hiring a builder who pulled out of the contract.

So dehumanising.

I also hate the 'so and so had a baby via gestational carrier' expression you read when some 'celebrity' buys a baby. 'Via'? Did you pick up your new laptop via delivery or click and collect? Such horrible language.

This.
And sometimes innocent little I was just curious OP's are goady af with an agenda. 🧐

The “natures way” argument has always confused me regarding IVF. Many, many medical procedures divert “natures way”.

Are the people who argue this also against - vaccinations, organ donation, cancer treatment, antibiotics, limb amputations, c-sections or otherwise assisted births? Or is it just fertility treatment alone they take issue with?

just curious… do you think the same if there’s no monetary transaction, if say, a sister carries the child?

I assume @nosmartphone also doesn’t use antibiotics / have vaccines either. After all surely that’s all natures way of keeping the population down.

What a load of ignorant twaddle!

Off the top of my head I know six IVF children who are all healthy and NT, as are their parents.

Unless you can show me peer reviewed health research that confirms there’s “always something wrong with IVF children” accept you’re spouting anecdata rather than “facts”

@nosmartphone you haven't touched a nerve. You are being downright rude and offensive over something you have very little understanding of.

Educate yourself

Just curious as to your statistics and where you got your information from? I know many IVF babies, all appear developmentally normal and healthy minus one baby who was premature and still young enough to catch up. I heard there are 12 million IVF born people, so how many do you know? I’d say I know maybe 15-20.

It’s a bit hypocritical of @nosmartphone to say this:
If your egg won't mix with your husband's sperm, that's nature way of not making that genetic mix of baby.

When she’s on another thread telling a woman she needs to get an abortion. How is infertility in the name of ‘nature’ then but abortions aren’t?? Not an anti-abortion post at all BTW, I’m just pointing out her hypocrisy. It’s almost like some posters just come on MN to stick the boot in to OPs

What if the people who are buying the baby change their minds?

There is a small baby at the centre of this that is not being considered at all.

So you’re pro life?

They don't. That poster is talking out of her very offensive arse.

For every successful IVF pregnancy and new baby, that child's siblings remain frozen until a future round of IVF, discarded, or used in embryo experimentation. An embryo is an individual human life, and is treated as a product, therefore ethically wrong -the ends never justify the means.

Clearly they haven’t, and I bet that their shit doesn’t stink either.

Have you ever struggled with infertility?

You do understand that getting egg and sperm to mix can be part of the problem. Some women have blocked tubes due to illness/ infection. Some men have low sperm count due to childhood illness.

Hope you aren't going to get antibiotics next time you are ill, you don't want to mess with natures population control

WTAF

Please do be aware though that medical issues are often nowhere near as prevalent as they seem with IVF / ICSI births. For example, reports often state the risk of serious heart defects is 36% higher, but actually this is a rise from 1.15% to 1.84% so a fraction of a per cent. I only raise this as I was an extremely anxious IVF mum to be, who worried endlessly about things like this so did a lot of research both online and questioning the various consultants and embryologists.

The difference with surrogacy is that someone else’s body is being used to create a baby for the benefit of someone else. Its womb hiring. With IVF that’s not the case.

I have Joy on my Netflix watch list about the birth of IVF I’ll be looking forward to watching that