To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

A baby is not essential for life. Organ donation is.

Is it fair to say they're profiting from human misery? They're profiting as much from alleviating misery and helping create families, surely? I'd say profiting purely from human misery would be someone who manufactures gallows, or writes scripts for Keith Lemon.

That said, I am opposed to private healthcare (and education, and transport) personally. The two purposes - maximising profits and providing the best service - always end up being in conflict, and there's only ever one winner.

Kudos nothing.

The baby has no option in this shitshow.

Kudos indeed to the women who deliberately choose to engage in a process which rips a newborn away from the only person it knows. You wouldn’t do that to a puppy.

Is it not humans creating IVF then? Was always under the impression my fertility doctor was a human but huh I must have been wrong

I have no issues with IVF when the mother's egg is used. I have serious concerns about the use of donor eggs. There are commercial companies who sell the idea of donating eggs as being an easy way to make some quick money. They do not give adequate information on the risks to the donor. I read an article on a woman who nearly died from Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS)
and the company she was selling the eggs to were useless. There is also next to no research on long-term effects of egg donation, something the companies gloss over by stating there is no evidence of long-term effects.

Interesting article here - www.statnews.com/2017/01/28/egg-donors-risks/

I don’t agree with the buying or selling of someone’s body or its parts.

Not dying of heart failure isn’t a right either but organ donation doesn’t seem to get the flack fertility treatment does.

I think ivf is a wonderful thing but I'm
bit sure it should be funded by the NHS. I’m also not entirely sure that encouraging woman to part with their eggs to get cheaper treatment is entirely ethical.

Yes, that’s true.

I do wonder if the increase in youngsters with SEN could be in part due to the rise in various fertility treatments. We just don't know what longer term effects could be.

I’m against IVF because I believe that humans have the right to be made the human way.

Controversial, but I think if theres people not being able to get or get others pregnant. We should'nt force this either with IVF or surrogacy.

Having a baby is not a right.

The same way I believe people who have many disabled children (knowing theirs a high possibility of issues) are wrong.

I think they should be used for various scientific tests

My ethical issues with IVF are around the fact that some people working in the industry have made a fortune from other people's misery.
And yet they are treated like heros.

I don't think saying IVF isn't natural because it goes against population control is fair. The rise in infertility numbers shows how the chemicals and surroundings we are in affect human fertility.
I don't think nearly as many of those suffering with infertility now would have been the same back in the day.

IVF is fine- although I know some anti choice---- pro life people who are opposed.

Surrogacy is a completely different thing- and I will never be able to support it.

I don’t think my mum agreed with IVF but I am not sure if she was opposed to it being funded on the NHS or to the idea in principle. It wouldn’t have been to do with leftover embryos. She was also opposed to organ transplantation.

One difference is you definitely know you have a viable embryo in the one case, and you don't in the other. You're just preventing a possibly fertilised egg from implanting, and it may not even have been fertilised with MAP.

Have I missed something - why does anyone care if an embryo was destroyed? What else should have happened to them if they’re not needed?

So you produced many embryos with two children and two frozen embryos - what happened to the rest of them? Were they healthy viable embryos that you agreed to dispose of? Did they not progress in their development? Did you have genetic testing done and chose to discard them based on results? Did you spin a wheel and pour the losers down the sink for shits and giggles?

This thing about the destruction of embryos needs some context. There’s a difference between embryos that were never going to make it to being born, and those that are chosen to be discarded at the end of treatment. Only those discarded at the end of treatment are ones that I’d personally regard as destroyed because of IVF. Then again they only existed because of IVF.

I really admire women who volunteer to be surrogates for sisters, best friends etc. That’s because I know I couldn’t do it myself; I absolutely know I’d become attached to the child and consider myself its mother. Kudos to those who can do it though.

I’ve no objection to IVF, although it wouldn't have been something I’d have considered if we’d had trouble conceiving. I know plenty of very happy childfree people!

I’m not sure about the NHS paying for it though, when it’s practically collapsing at the roots.

You believe? Or you know? Can you share a source or are you confidently spreading misinformation without fear of consequence?

It isn’t factual.

Also @nosmartphone has a SEN child.

What did YOU do to make your child have something “wrong” with them @nosmartphone??