To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

Fair.

If you can afford to pay for it then fine. But while the NHS is refusing life saving treatment to some, it shouldn’t be funding IVF to others.

Can you, hand on heart, tell me that the only reason you didn’t pursue IVF was because you wanted to spare the NHS the cost? The time, pain, inconvenience, stress, misery, hassle, uncertainty, unpredictability wasn’t a factor in your decision? And you were 100% desperate to have a child, so that it occupied your every waking moment, and the prospect of never having a baby made you incredible depressed. But you put aside all of that, just so the NHS would have a bit more cash to spend on smokers? Seriously?

Very best of luck with it and I really hope it goes well for you.💐

To hell with anyone else's judgment and narrow mindedness.

I know quite a few people who go to other countries for egg donation who have no such laws.

As for adoption, I strongly disagree with closed adoptions. I think they are profoundly damaging to children.

So, a child is a child, then. Not your child. You'd never say, or think, my child, then?
Interesting. Sounds very 1960's hippy. 🧐

Yep, and that. The NHS is not the panacea for all ills. That was never what it was designed for. When we have got to the stage when drugs and treatment which can save lives or make the quality of life very much better are being refused because of cost for those who could benefit, then we have to look again at what we are prepared to fund via the NHS. Facilitating having children was never the intention, and certainly not at the expense of those refused life saving drugs. How would you feel if someone you love was condemned to an early death because they couldn’t afford the treatment denied to them on the NHS ?

They can but it isn’t as straight forward as just being given the details. They can write to the clinic where the donor donated. The clinic then contacts the donor and the donor has the right to decline. The child will not be given the details if the donor declines.

No you don't. You have what LOOKS like a viable embryo. I have been implanted with top grade embryos that I miscarried or that just didn't take. Actually, my successful rounds were with lower grade embryos. You know nothing when it comes to ivf, from my experience (8 full rounds).

Exactly - can the NHS afford to carry on treating stuff that doesn’t kill you? Theres a case for everything else being private/insurance funded and the NHS just doing A and E, cancers, heart attacks and the like. Let the private sector deal with the routine hip replacements etc.

Just curious, is your objection just to IVF on the NHS or does it include privately paid for IVF?

I think anyone who hasn’t been in the heart breaking position of needing IVF can shut their mouth on the subject and keep it shut. But I start round 3 in January and I’m out of patience.

Or watched someone they love go through it?

I presume one of this couple had children already. NHS funding is dependent on neither of the 2 people having children already.

it is bypassing a part of the reproductive process that doesn’t work right.
The woman still has to grow the egg, implant the embryo and carry the baby etc.
It is like a split for the part of the process where the egg and sperm join together. It is still only maybe 30 percent effective in those that qualify so the NHS own guidelines say people should be entitled to 3 rounds if they qualify

In the UK there is no donor anonymity any more. Donor conceived children can get their donor’s name and last known contact details when they turn 18. The anonymity law changed in 2006.

Me. And several people I know. None of whom would think of burdening the NHS with fertility treatment at the expense of those who are desperately sick and can’t access the drugs or treatment they need.

They all failed. We have never destroyed any. They either did not implant, or were miscarried. That is what I was saying really. The two I froze could be babies, or (more likely) would be further, expensive, heartbreak. Like the other twenty something.

Also I know someone who had their second child at 51 through donor eggs.

Their son is 5 now and they are both way too tired to properly parent and don't plan to ever tell him he's not her biological child. It's heartbreaking.

She has major mental health problems to begin with and is a hoarder.

The kids don't even have their own bedrooms.

I think at a bare minimum donor conception should involve a home study just like adoption.

Most embryos in the UK aren't genetically tested so 'viable' just means cells continuing to split for 3+ days.

An embryo being viable is one of many many many necessary steps to a healthy pregnancy.

A 'viable' embryo leads to pregnancy in 40% of cases at best.

I think people accept it, it happens, but not everyone likes it and some people with infertility problems would not do it. Surrogacy is a whole different ball game and it's not legal here in England anyway, which doesn't stop people doing it quietly.

To me, it is all representative of people feeling they have the right to have a child at all costs. In years gone by, though it was sad if someone couldn't have children, they accepted that path was not their destiny and found something else on which to focus. A child is not a status symbol and a childless person has as much value as anyone else.

Nope. Disabled, full time wheelchair user. Eat as healthily as possible because I’m limited mobility wise and know how easy it is to be overweight, which adds to my problems. Have never smoked, don’t really drink and definitely don’t ride a motorbike or run downstairs in my socks. Although sometimes I wish I could. The NHS has saved my life several times over and been there whenever I’ve needed it. It saddens me to see people taking the piss. When cancer patients can’t access suitable drugs because NICE won’t approve them, it seems perverse to allow couples several rounds of fertility treatment - that’s not what the NHS was designed for. I sympathise with those who struggle to conceive but sometimes you just have to accept that such is life.

If you've previously been sterilised and your hubby is a drug taking wrongun, why do the NHS still take a few grand off you to have it done?

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/couple-use-tiktok-raise-45k-22011883

I’d like to know how many of the anti IVF/surrogacy/donor brigade have had to endure the pain of not being able to conceive naturally.

So someone who, for example, had cancer as a child and is subsequently sterile, is not allowed to have any kind of NHS fertility treatment. But someone who chose to smoke, drink and eat to excess, despite already having had 4 heart attacks, is entitled to an NHS coronary artery bypass?