To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

It's tricky and I appreciate that people can be against something without reason/reason acceptable to others/uninformed or anything else.

If it's okay for a male to donate why should women be prohibited the same privilege? Isn't that an infringement on a women's agency over her own body? 🧐

No you don't think straight couples should have better access to fertility treatment than same sex couples?

But you have been in that position? So your opinion is as valid as mine even if we have dealt with our situations differently. I’ve no problem with people who have experienced infertility disagreeing with IVF or taking another path. That is a personal choice. My issue is with those who have never experienced this situation feeling like they’ve a right to comment on what people should or shouldn’t do. I’ve never wanted or needed an abortion. So I’ll keep my mouth shut on the subject and not judge others or state what is right or wrong for them, because what do I know? It’s the same kind of thing to me.

For those arguing about the cost to the NHS, how is it fair that fertile women can have as many NHS funded births as they want but infertile couples don’t even get the chance to try? Maternity services cost far more than IVF. Should we expect women with multiple children to access private maternity services so they don’t drain NHS resources?

If you can’t even accept someone asking whether IVF might have a knock-on effect on evolution, why engage in a discussion about people’s hesitations?

And no, that doesn’t mean IVF cured it.

Anyway, I’ve said I’m not against IVF so I’m not sure what else you want.

So you think couples who cannot afford ivf should have to suffer through infertility. Whereas it is fine for richer people to have it. To me this is a massive ethical concern having suffered through infertility myself. I paid for my own ivf but I wouldn’t wish infertility on anyone

The film touches on the issues that the scientists were playing god

It doesn't seem as if anyone is bothered about that. More about wasting NHS funds on something that's considered unnecessary

I don't agree with donor eggs, sperm or embryos ethically they just don't sit right with me.

I understand you have the right to your views and I am not arguing against that, but this makes me very sad. Is the aim of science not to make the world a better place? If science could help someone to walk, or to see, would that not be celebrated as a wonderful thing? Why is science helping someone to become a parent any different?

Again since when is viagra a medical necessity. But it effects men having sex so they get it on the nhs

IVF is recommended for 3 rounds by NICE guidelines. It is caused by a number of different medical conditions

I think OP is referring to the Netflix film

I havent seen a documentary anywhere

@MinPinSins not necessarily. That stat of 20pc isn’t a good one because relatively few people are willing to risk it without the drugs when they are already investing their time and money . There isn’t much data on it. There is some evidence that it could produce better eggs and less side effects

I think your logic only holds if the cause of infertility is genetic. In any case, while growing, I think the number of IVF babies born per year is still not quite enough to threaten the future of the human race. I suspect Trump is a bigger risk.

Sorry, you don’t get to tell me to calm down. I lived through the reality of infertility and it was absolutely awful. You said in your post that “IVF doesn’t cure infertility”. I was unable to get pregnant after trying unsuccessfully for 4 years. IVF meant I was able to have my first child. After having my first child for the first time in years my periods were ‘normal’. When I went on to try for a second child. Lo and behold I got pregnant on the first month of trying. So yes, IVF cured my infertility.

If we were relying on everything being natural many more women - and children - would die or be injured in childbirth. No pain relief, no epidurals or c-sections, no blood transfusions etc
I spent the first 8 weeks of my life in SCBU, that's not natural, I needed medical intervention to survive.

Thank you for clarifying. It's an interesting point.

I don't know the ins and outs of my neighbours' private life but I doubt they have qualified for NHS IVF as they already had a child. They wanted another that was biologically related to the other woman and she couldn't carry it herself.

I've no issues with this and wish them every happiness.

It's an interesting thought about where to draw the line with NHS IVF though.

Personally, I worry about it becoming something only for the rich and that makes me sad when I think about all the working class mothers who volunteered in the trials.

IVF should absolutely not be on the NHS, that's absurd to me - since when is having children a medical necessity?. Otherwise I don't see any ethical issues with it

not all causes of infertility genetic inherited traits. For example someone with blocked tubes. Ivf is not a cure but it is a solution. It doesn’t mean the baby will also have blocked tubes …

It does for some people with unexplained infertility. A proportion can get pregnant a second time without intervention after an IVF pregnancy

I didn’t say I’m against it? I said I’m uncomfortable with one aspect that I mentioned. I’m also uncomfortable with many choices I’ve made about my own body. Calm down.

But if it's natural IVF with it's reduced chance, or nothing then it's a good option.

I do get what you mean by 'homosexual IVF' but I'm curious what your take is on gay friends (ie M/F) having IVF together? I know the HFEA classes this as a 'known donor' situation, but it's not that uncommon as a way for gay people to have babies.

What a dumb comment. I was infertile. IVF meant I was able to have a baby. It cost me around £6k. I had to save to be able to pay for that treatment. It wasn’t some easy quick fix as you imply. It was absolute hell feeling desperate to have a baby and not being able to get pregnant when practically everyone else I knew was. Give your head a wobble FFS 🙄

No.

I have a friend conceived via sperm donor. She really struggles with it. She’s part of a group for donor conceived children who are having similar struggles to her which are around identity, belonging in family, wider relationship issues etc.

She has been having therapy on and off for 15 years and she has a strained relationship with her parents. She is strongly against egg and sperm donation along with many other donor conceived children in the group. Her mum and dad love her but have said seeing the problems it has caused, if they could go back, they wouldn’t do it. It’s been devastating for the whole family. There is definitely a human cost.

Good solution is overstating it slightly! Its success rate is around 20% of conventional IVF.