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Call a General Election? Really?

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Veryoldandtired · 25/11/2024 08:48

I mean, I very much doubt this will get anywhere in the parliament but nearly 2 mil people signed it in just over 24 hours 😬

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143

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Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 16:14

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 16:08

Yes - this petition - 3rd highest number of signatures since 2010.

And yet, the one I just spoke about wanting us back in the eu got over six million and it did not get debated.This is not going to get debated plus as we keep saying, many of these people signed are not real people, they are bots

Mebebecat · 25/11/2024 16:12

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 15:27

I keep asking this question, but does anybody really truthfully believe that you signing a f petition is going to overthrow the government?
And I am not a massive fan of labour. I just cannot stand right-wing. Parties like conservatives or reform. Because i'm not a racist or a bigot or an evil person.

No one believes it will overthrow the government. Many people rightly believe it will embarrass Starmer. It already has done. He has been asked questions about it by broom cupboards Andi Peters. You'd have to go some to devise a more ridiculous encounter than that! The government is not popular. No one has to give them an easy ride.

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 16:12

DadJoke · 25/11/2024 16:03

It's left versus right.

Plenty of foreign far-right activists have admitted they have signed it and there is tons of bot activity. It was promoted on X.

I have already posted this:

Postcode SW1A 2AA is Number 10 Downing Street and SW1A 1AA is Buckingham Palace - they might be rumbled!
Haven't checked the others.

Of course, Starmer could be a far-right mole.

Cherrysoup · 25/11/2024 16:11

Do people want the right back in? Because they did such a smashing job over the past years?

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 16:08

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 16:05

Are we talking about this petition. If so there was a big oegition with over 6 million on for joining back to the EU gid that get debated nope so let's be clear here

Yes - this petition - 3rd highest number of signatures since 2010.

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 16:06

Note to self fat fingers and phone keyboard is a rubbish combination lol 😆

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 16:05

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 15:57

No doubt you signed the Revoke Article 50 petition.

If you don't mind the people supporting this then go ahead

You want the objectionable Swedish journalist to have freedom of movement to the UK - not me!

I don't think it's a waste of time - the BBC reported the petition has gathered the third highest number of signatures since 2010.

Are we talking about this petition. If so there was a big oegition with over 6 million on for joining back to the EU gid that get debated nope so let's be clear here

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 16:04

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 15:48

@Littlemissgobby your insults undermine your argument

Labour will struggle to reconcile public spending with a contracting private sector and /or there's little growth

They won't be able to tax and borrow £70bn next year. So we'll see how it goes

Unlike the CBI and farmers who have said they feel betrayed by Labour it was pretty easy to see what would happen beforehand

I'm interested to see how they deal with little growth v fastest in G7 claim. And what they do about spending.

Look I get all that i am sorry if you feel o am insulting you. But I have no patience anymore as it's been obvious from the start people gave tge tories under austerity etc much easier time then they are willing yo give labour.
They and I repeat have only been in 6 months and already this manufactured outrage fuelled I believe by the rich big voices, alot of well to the right voices to and various other factors

DadJoke · 25/11/2024 16:03

MiraculousLadybug · 25/11/2024 08:53

there is a lot of bot accounts that have signed this.
If you have some proof of this you'd better let UK Parliament know that their petition system is flawed.
If you don't, you're just trying to polarise this into left vs right.

It's left versus right.

Plenty of foreign far-right activists have admitted they have signed it and there is tons of bot activity. It was promoted on X.

Call a General Election? Really?
Call a General Election? Really?
DuncinToffee · 25/11/2024 16:01

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 15:57

No doubt you signed the Revoke Article 50 petition.

If you don't mind the people supporting this then go ahead

You want the objectionable Swedish journalist to have freedom of movement to the UK - not me!

I don't think it's a waste of time - the BBC reported the petition has gathered the third highest number of signatures since 2010.

Next you will tell me I am Dutch Grin

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 15:57

DuncinToffee · 25/11/2024 15:40

If you don't mind the people supporting this then go ahead, personally I think it's a waste of time.

No doubt you signed the Revoke Article 50 petition.

If you don't mind the people supporting this then go ahead

You want the objectionable Swedish journalist to have freedom of movement to the UK - not me!

I don't think it's a waste of time - the BBC reported the petition has gathered the third highest number of signatures since 2010.

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 15:48

@Littlemissgobby your insults undermine your argument

Labour will struggle to reconcile public spending with a contracting private sector and /or there's little growth

They won't be able to tax and borrow £70bn next year. So we'll see how it goes

Unlike the CBI and farmers who have said they feel betrayed by Labour it was pretty easy to see what would happen beforehand

I'm interested to see how they deal with little growth v fastest in G7 claim. And what they do about spending.

DuncinToffee · 25/11/2024 15:40

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 15:25

Actually, I haven't - do you think I should?

If you don't mind the people supporting this then go ahead, personally I think it's a waste of time.

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 15:40

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EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 15:32

Labour do get angsty on here. Aim it at Starmer and Reeves

It's their policies people are reacting to.

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 15:31

As for 'which policies'

All the policies people are lobbying against ie those impacting

Farmers
Businesses
Pensioners

And those that have taken growth down from doing better to stagnation plus a contracting private sector as shown in the PMI data

No wonder Labour have the polls they do and a petition with that ability to ignore so much. Only 8% share your view @louddumpernoise

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 15:31

louddumpernoise · 25/11/2024 15:27

What terrible policies? Are you against laws to safeguard women from spiked drinks? maybe you are.

Most people are not impacted at all.... its all froth by people who are pissed their party lost.

Yes I saw that good policy or the one about those having to pay unfair communal charges by dodgy freehold people I believe

louddumpernoise · 25/11/2024 15:27

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 15:25

@Littlemissgobby I know how you feel about Labour but not everyone shares that view. You're also likely not in one of the groups impacted by their terrible policies

Many are - hence the polls, petition and CBI statement

What terrible policies? Are you against laws to safeguard women from spiked drinks? maybe you are.

Most people are not impacted at all.... its all froth by people who are pissed their party lost.

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 15:27

I keep asking this question, but does anybody really truthfully believe that you signing a f petition is going to overthrow the government?
And I am not a massive fan of labour. I just cannot stand right-wing. Parties like conservatives or reform. Because i'm not a racist or a bigot or an evil person.

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 15:25

DuncinToffee · 25/11/2024 14:57

?

Did you sign the petition by any chance?

Actually, I haven't - do you think I should?

louddumpernoise · 25/11/2024 15:25

The CBI have added their voice against today too

they ve just said this morning that they aren't ready to back the Tories yet either.

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 15:25

@Littlemissgobby I know how you feel about Labour but not everyone shares that view. You're also likely not in one of the groups impacted by their terrible policies

Many are - hence the polls, petition and CBI statement

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 15:24

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 15:22

9400 asylum seekers deported since July?

Do you have a link to that data?

9,400 asylum seekers or a mixture of asylum seekers, visa over stayers and voluntary returns? Why are Labour opening up new asylum hotels?

the Conservatives deported a few 100 in their last year in office

Some stats here:

In the year ending June 2024 there were 7,190 enforced returns
In the year ending June 2024 there were 22,361 voluntary returns

In the year ending June 2024, 25% of enforced and voluntary returns were asylum-related.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2024/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned

Actually, I did here on the radio that they actually had deported a few people, labour, and even the journalist said they're not shouting about it, because they are getting on with politics. The fact is, they also are doing lots of different things that are going to becoming through soon. I keep saying, give these a chance. We have too much right-wing press. In this country. It's far obvious to me that we all be manipulated to hate labour, yet they forgave the tories, almost everything, it's sickening, how disgustingly undemocratic this country is

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 15:22

louddumpernoise · 25/11/2024 15:01

Meaningless waffle, there wont be a GE until 2029 - do you not support the changes in law and training to tackle drinks spiking? the curbs on the excess profits companies managing childrens services?

9400 asylum seekers deported since July? the Conservatives deported a few 100 in their last year in office & that would be 9 times the number Rwanda was going to take in the first year!

Changes to business rates will help smaller businesses too. Water company bosses stopped from taking bonuses, the work shy to face sanctions!

Everything i ve listed could also have been since Sunak became PM but it didn't.

We ve a 5 year electoral cycle, with a majority of over 100, that wont change.

9400 asylum seekers deported since July?

Do you have a link to that data?

9,400 asylum seekers or a mixture of asylum seekers, visa over stayers and voluntary returns? Why are Labour opening up new asylum hotels?

the Conservatives deported a few 100 in their last year in office

Some stats here:

In the year ending June 2024 there were 7,190 enforced returns
In the year ending June 2024 there were 22,361 voluntary returns

In the year ending June 2024, 25% of enforced and voluntary returns were asylum-related.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2024/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned

Littlemissgobby · 25/11/2024 15:22

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 15:19

@Littlemissgobby polls don't work like that, they don't put 'like minded people together'

They poll a cross section and 70% think it's worse. 8% think as you do.

Whatever you feel about your belief in their success it's not great for Labour

The CBI have added their voice against today too.

They have only been in power 6 months it's not worse since July at all people what wanted a fucking miracle. This is why we don't have decent gov people don't realise it takes ages to sort the shit out

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