To find this so cringeworthy?

I wouldn’t date a Tory either - it would mean our basic understanding of how society should work and our general values would differ. That would be tough to accommodate. However someone who enjoyed different films, holiday donations, hobbies…crack on as long as you don’t want me to join in too much (I’d still, for eg, go to a body building competition to support from time to time). I like a bit of individual time.
Dubai as a favourite place could suggest some of the values issues I suppose…

I guess you can’t help icks. And it’s very hard to come back from an ick.

I once met an amazing guy, handsome, tall, kind, successful, generous and sweet…he licked my nose when we were having sex and I just never came back from it.

I mean, it has none of the 'hallmarks of a classic', so there's that 😅

Because they’re emotionally stunted due to toxic masculinity? We need more boys like yours. Toxic masculinity never did men OR women any good.

Ah leave him be.
I don't think you can continue id that gives you the ick
Let him find someone who connects with him

He deserves someone who loves how he expresses himself, you seem overly critical and judgemental. Let him find who he was meant to be with, a person who appreciates him, instead of looking down on him.

@KeenCat is it? I don't think I've ever dated anyone into musical theatre, as it's not my cup of tea. I haven't deliberately filtered them out.
Same way I wouldn't date a Tory. Or someone who loves going on holiday to Dubai. Or is into bodybuilding. It just would be unlikely to happen.

”Hallmark” isn’t even an unusual word, so doesn’t really say anything about his vocabulary. I think it’s more that his phrasing just sounds a bit pretentious.

Belly is also giving me the ick.

OP you’re just not into him. That’s fine but probably time to end it! If he’s super nice maybe you can be friends still.

Agree

This. I hope my sons feel comfortable in using what vocabulary they like and feel comfortable in their choices without feeling laughed at.
You sound awful, sorry. He's better off without you, find someone more on your own wavelength.

Sorry OP! I am derailing - your man seems potentially like one of those people who use language in a rather leaden way, not noticing layers of whimsy or how phrases come across. Ain't no saving ick like that.
OR
he is quite clever and sparky and using a clichéd phrase on purpose pending having a longer discussion - I might do that myself and expect someone to know I was enjoying choosing my words.
So either you are a bit pedestrian or he is! Probably him!

You must not know many people.

Yes!

I am sure you need to be a pretty rigid and loyal group conformist to be a soldier; and we certainly need such people for our safety. But that's not the only possible definition of manliness.

@CorbyTrouserPress I agree. Nothing sexier than a manly man who fully embraces his soft side with his dc.

It's possibly the sexiest thing ever

Some boorish oaf who is 'too manly' to be able to sit through a musical is pretty much the epitome of cringe

Now I've read you're autistic and he possibly is then it changes everything, different rules 😆
Also I'm glad you have stopped judging adults seeing U films, very small minded.

@TriesNotToBeCynical Wicked isn't a Disney Film.

Um.... I really don't think you have read the book or seen the show. Or googled the plot. Which tbh I would have done, if I was doubling down on being wrong, as magnificently as you are doing!

One of the most thought-provoking aspects of the show and how it twists the genre of Disneyfied romantic storytelling is that it changes the tropes of the romantic duet and love story to make it about female friendship. The "Love duet" at the end of the show is changed from tradition to take place between the two women leads - musically, with the high and low harmony lines swapping at intentional points to show that traditional conventions of romantic following and leading do not apply and that the characters have been on a journey. Good and wickedness are not simple. Relationships are not simple. Yes, it is conveyed in the genres of the art form but hey, a sonnet or a novel also use their own conventions.

I'm not gonna say what happens to the male romantic lead!!!!! Because it's a massive and hugely clever spoiler. Anyone who knows can have a good laugh at this point, about the layers of meaning about Hollywood and the clever relationship of the musical to the original Oz film, and about romantic storytelling generally, and in particular about the idea that the heroine "wins a man" at the end of this tale.

@Bpuss
I'm not sure what your issue is but I realise the cinema thing was just one example.

I'm wondering if it's that he's like one of those people who buys a bottle of wine from the supermarket and then starts waffling on about detecting raspberries with a hint of juniper. Just prats on in slightly high brow fashion about something quite normal

My DH would sit through any musical if it made his DD happy. Thats because he’s a loving father, which is a lot more ‘manly’ than your daughter’s sorry excuse for a father.

I get it OP, my ex thought of himself as a film critic, always telling me/posting on social media his thoughts on a film. He used to say things like 'an unusually dialled-in performance from such and such' ewww can't explain why but it was just so offputting. He'd say things like Hallmarks of a classic. I'm glad he's my ex.

Oh, yes. His answer is always that there's nothing because he loves me so much...

I would never have guessed!

This! If you are getting the ick over this then you just aren't into him. He hasn't said anything wrong.
It's like most of us when we get approached by someone ugly, we think it's creepy. But good if it's someone we fancy.

He sounds too harmless for you.

Careful what you wish for though..

When you say “stomach” do you mean the actual muscular organ shaped like a J into which your food goes or do you mean your abdomen ie the front part of your torso between your chest and pelvis- aka belly, tummy etc?