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Upset with PILs preference for nephews

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Narniabeckons · 24/11/2024 23:18

Name changed
have been mulling over this and not sure how best to proceed

i have an 18month old son
not married to his dad and living separately (he lives with his parents and has a comfortable life/ works from home there).
recently he has asked to have his son every week overnight - pick up from nursery on Wednesday and drop back on Thursday evening. We live about 15miles apart which can mean 1.5 hour drive during rush hour traffic. Despite this, it has been going well so far - or so I thought.

I had a day off on Friday and went to pick up my son from theirs on Friday morning last week (so he had 2 night sleepover because I wasn’t feeling well and had a few hospital appointments). I asked MIL (technically not married but she is still treated with same respect) whether it had been hard for her having him there and she replied reluctantly saying yes because she also visits her daughter to help with her 3 sons (aged 8, 5 and 19 months) in the week and it’s demanding for her.

I’m now torn because I don’t my son going to their house when he is not welcome and I feel a bit sad that there seemed to be a clear preference that they would rather look after their daughter’s children than have their son’s child over?

is it because he is staying in their home so they don’t get time to relax?
is it because his dad and I aren’t married (this is playing a bigger part than it should in my head)
should I reduce him staying over and just have visits with grandparents instead so that they don’t start to feel resentful? (His dad wants to continue weekly sleepovers and sod his parents’ feelings).

would be grateful for any advice as I’m feeling a bit bruised on my baby’s behalf and maybe I need to take a step back and do what’s best for everyone.

AIBU- reduce sleepovers and let grandparents relax in their home

AINBU - carry on as dad wants; it’s his home too and he has a right to see his son.

OP posts:
Moglet4 · 25/11/2024 06:43

Narniabeckons · 24/11/2024 23:44

It is a complex situation but we don’t live together because of my work. I was given a secondment to a different area post maternity but the regions are quite large so still too far for me to commute and he is self employed but all his clients are near his work so until my contract finishes end of next year, this seemed to be the best way.

he usually visits us and does nursery pick ups and weekends but I think the drive was getting much and he preferred to have him overnight - which also helped me as I was starting to get burnt out.

for those saying she didn’t mean it in a preferential manner- I don’t think she would ever tell her daughter’s husband it was hard or ask them to reduce childcare so that’s why I felt that it was a slight towards him. Now I’m wondering if I was just too sensitive

I think you probably are being over sensitive here, OP. Presumably she provides regular care for her daughter’s kids, which would be exhausting in and of itself. To add an extra child in her own home for 2 nights on top of that would be unusually knackering. It doesn’t in any way suggest that she doesn’t want him there or that she favours her daughter’s kids.

Josette77 · 25/11/2024 06:42

You are both in your 4o's and tried to have a baby for two years? Then you separated while pregnant and during your son's first months?

None of this looks good. Are you actually back together now?

Why is he living at home? He's a grown up with a good job. He can move out. This is all ridiculous.

EnterFunnyNameHere · 25/11/2024 06:34

Peopleinmyphone · 25/11/2024 01:05

Op it sounds like she's just tired, but she should have had that conversation with her son and not you.

I think this is very likely true - although I do note OP asked her if she was OK, it's not like the MiL just started spouting off about how knackered she was... so she likely was tired, and wouldn't have said anything, but you asked when she was at a low point so she was honest with you (rather than waiting to speak to your DP.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 25/11/2024 06:24

@Narniabeckons this is weird! are you sure you are in a relationship with the dad??? why would he have to ask for an overnight visit? does he not just come to stay at yours when he wants? why are you living as two separate people if you have a baby and are together?

Waffle19 · 25/11/2024 03:27

She didn’t make the comment unprovoked though, you asked her! And in no way did she say your nephews are her favourites. Sounds like she enjoys having him there but of course it will be hard work, that would be true of any toddler.

Why on Earth is she cooking his dinner and tidying up when he leaves? That’s completely unacceptable and should be very much on your DP. I’m sure it would be less hard work for her if she didn’t have to clear up after them both.

RosieLeaf · 25/11/2024 03:10

Why is she having to do anything which makes her tired when your DS is there, his father should be doing all the running around?

It’s all a bit odd.

Codlingmoths · 25/11/2024 03:04

Why should you be grateful to her? Your dp now should be grateful to her, as basically you are separated and she helps with some of the dads moderate contact time. nothing to do with you, you do more than enough parenting so why should you feel guilty either, it’s their dad doesn’t do that much and if anyone should take the load off his mum it’s him.
or is it really that you resent that she has to parent because their dad isn’t?

brentwoods · 25/11/2024 02:50

I can't believe you purposely had a child with a man who still lives in his parents' house who you don't plan to live with in the near future. Your poor child. What an absolutely idiotic setup.

Candy24 · 25/11/2024 01:46

Honestly OP you want to find something to be upset over. Your ovely anyalysing all her comments and reading in to them when the whole truth is There is nothing wrong here. Your MIL sounds kind and your relationship sounds like an utter mess. I would take some time to figure that out.

FloofPaws · 25/11/2024 01:36

Honestly - I think your partner should man up a bit, move in with his new family, looking after you and his baby, not remain at home like a manchild and part time dad

Tourmalines · 25/11/2024 01:29

He’s lazy . Poor MIL .

HappyTwo · 25/11/2024 01:29

I really think you are being over sensitive - she normally has him for one night and she'd had him for two - this plus her extra childcare duties you asked the question...she told you she was tired! Doesn't mean she doesn't want him.

itsmylife7 · 25/11/2024 01:22

Why isn't the Dad cooking all the food for his child ?

If he's not working when your child's there why isn't he doing 100% everything.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 25/11/2024 01:21

It's simple - a 2 night sleep over is too much for the older lady as it seems she is doing the work and it tires her out. It is not her child, it is the father that should be doing it all -
'His dad doesn’t work when he is there.'
are you 100% sure that he is not working on a Thursday - not at all, not one single phone call or email etc.
so daddy does all the nappy changes, the meals, the reading of books, the taking to the park, the playing with Duplo etc etc etc the bathtime the bedtime the bedtime story, the getting up in the middle of night if needed
100% of it all ?

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 25/11/2024 01:19

Peopleinmyphone · 25/11/2024 01:05

Op it sounds like she's just tired, but she should have had that conversation with her son and not you.

The OP asked her though.

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 25/11/2024 01:19

it seems the consensus is I am being too sensitive and should carry on with the overnight stays but be grateful to mil and show gratitude when I can.

No I think the consensus is stop putting upon your poor MIL and sort this living situation out. The damage that this kind of dynamic can cause isn’t that viable in an 18mo but it is there.

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 25/11/2024 01:16

I have to say this thread is prompting me to think that I need to make living at home a REALLY unattractive prospect when my kids are adults. I might have to tell them I’m turning into a naturist or something in the hope they’ll stay away

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 25/11/2024 01:14

Narniabeckons · 25/11/2024 00:12

Because I’m letting my child sleep there without me and I don’t want him to be in a place he’s not wanted

You could fix that by living with your OH

He is wanted there obviously. But you asked if it was exhausting and she said yes. I’m about half her age and would find it exhausting to look after an 18mo.

Im gonna tell you what i tell my kids: don’t ask a question if you’re not gonna like the answer.

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 25/11/2024 01:12

Narniabeckons · 25/11/2024 00:11

Should that matter?
surely if you have children and they both have children (your grandchildren).. whatever age they are, you share your time and love between them all don’t you?

(My nieces are nephews are a lot older now- range from 4-23yo) but my parents have and still do look forward to having sleepovers -and I don’t think have ever made comments about how hard it is having them stay over to my brother/sister in laws).

it’s made me feel uncomfortable and not want him to sleep over there. Most comments here are berating my partner or judging us for our living arrangements- but can anyone see why such a comment would make me feel this way? Even if meant innocently, the fact it’s been said surely means a reaction was expected from me in some form to make things easier?

No I can’t see how a comment would make you feel that way. It’s your OH taking the piss that’s annoying her. And I bet your parents don’t have a 40yo still living at home expecting childcare on a regular basis. Your MIL is a human and being treated pretty poorly all round.

And of course it matters that your parents don’t do regular childcare. Your MIL spends 4 days a week looking after 4 kids, collectively saving you and SIL hundreds every week! For free! And she’s old, she’s knackered and probably picking up on the fact no one gives two shits about the impact on her.

If this was my son I’d be thinking g “He lives at home, is loaded, why the fuck am I doing childcare for free for a son who doesn’t care about my feelings”. Tell Mr Hands On to put your son in childcare if he’s so financially successful

I don’t normally judge people living with their parents at 40 because usually it’s a temporary measure due to an adverse life event. But Imposing on your parents and their living space when you don’t need to, for entirely selfish reasons, is a dickhead move. I’d struggle to fancy someone like that.

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 25/11/2024 01:06

Narniabeckons · 24/11/2024 23:58

Catching up on comments and some fair points about DP.. i’m not going to focus too much on his reasons for living at home but he is very successful and financially independent who has his business set up in his home and also some rigidity around routine- so finds it easier to work from there rather than move in with me until we settle wherever I get my next job/ where we decide to send our son to school. Where I live, I still have a commute of 1hr each way to work and back but it’s closer to my family so it seemed the best option.

the point of this post wasn’t really about our relationship or why we are living apart but rather whether I was unreasonable to be aggrieved by this comment about having her grandson staying being hard because of her commitments to looking after her other grandchildren. They aren’t on the same day (so both in laws go on mon/tues to her daughter’s house) and my son gets there around 3.30pm on Wednesday and leaves the next day around 4/5.

i know having a toddler around the house is loud and messy and general havoc but my parents are always so keen to have him and have never mentioned anything to me about minding having him over. I still feel a bit uncomfortable and almost want to reduce my hours at work and keep him with me instead now.

So financially successful he lives at home with mummy? Also his business is set up in his parent’s home not his. Sorry OP but none of it makes sense as to why you don’t live together. If he WFH and sees client occasionally surely it’s better to move in with you and make the occasional commute? Hes basically behaving like a bachelor and you’re both behaving like you’re split. This is directly impacting his poor exhausted mum who in retirement spends most of the week looking after small children and not even being able to have her home to herself. I’d also have a red flag at his comment of “Sod his parents feelings”. It’s not his house, he should have some respect. Instead his poor mum is treated as a free nanny by her ungrateful children and woe betide she has any feelings of anything other than total adulation.

Peopleinmyphone · 25/11/2024 01:05

Op it sounds like she's just tired, but she should have had that conversation with her son and not you.

Narniabeckons · 25/11/2024 00:34

You're parenting as if you're separated. Do you think it's in the best interests of your child to be raised this way?

we did separate for some time during my pregnancy and after he was born - this contributed to some of the decisions as to why we don’t currently live together.

I agree a child thrives when living with both parents but we don’t always live in a perfect world and this is our set up so I have to work around it.

I am very grateful of course for any childcare from both sets of grandparents. I insisted on nursery for that reason so that they weren’t relied upon too much.. and got a lot of stick for it from some family members who didn’t want me going back to work!

it seems the consensus is I am being too sensitive and should carry on with the overnight stays but be grateful to mil and show gratitude when I can.

OP posts:
BellissimoGecko · 25/11/2024 00:30

PoissonOfTheChrist · 25/11/2024 00:15

Because I’m letting my child sleep there without me and I don’t want him to be in a place he’s not wanted

You're imagining that he's not wanted though.

Yes, this.

you and your p need to work out the best way to care for your without involving your p's poor mum!!

Hedgerow2 · 25/11/2024 00:28

Your 'MIL' didn't volunteer this information though. You asked her and she 'admitted reluctantly' that she found it hard. What's wrong with that? I'm in my 60s and don't have the energy I used to have. I'll happily admit I find it 'hard' when all my adult kids come to stay at the same time. But that doesn't mean I don't love them with all my heart. I love it when they all descend - even though I find it very tiring.
You're reading far too much into one comment.

jigglywigglyhungryhippo · 25/11/2024 00:27

Narniabeckons · 25/11/2024 00:21

Does she look after DS during the day Wednesday or Thursday? Or does your partner take time off work?

he is at nursery near me on Wednesday morning so he is picked up at 1 and has his nap in the car, gets to their house around 3 and leaves the next day. His dad doesn’t work when he is there. MiL definitely makes his main meals (dad does breakfast before they wake up) and will probably tidy up after he leaves.

I think it was probably the extra night that’s pushed her to make that comment and maybe I just need to wait and ask DP to have an honest conversation with her about how to proceed.

You're not really understanding the comments are you?

It's defo a you thing which I think may stem from guilt due to the -quite honestly- shite set up you've managed to get into.