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to think boarding schools are no longer ok...

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BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:11

Inspired by another thread, and some old YouTube documentaries I've recently watched, I can't help but feel boarding schools for under 13's (i.e. boarding prep schools) have had their time.

Maybe they used to be an acceptable option, but with all the research we now have available, showing the damage done by separation of young children from their parents, do you think boarding for v young kids (8/9/10/11) will eventually be banned except in v exceptional circumstances?

And if our politicians including past PMs like Johnson and Cameron were not a product of boarding schools, do you think they'd have more compassion and be less cut off from emotion and feelings? and better able to relate to us common folk?

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BaklavaRocks · 25/11/2024 15:50

RespiceFinemKarma · 25/11/2024 14:38

On the contrary, I'm suggesting that 0-5 is far more critical to attachment and brain development yet society is less bothered about not seeing their kids for hours every day at those stages, en masse.

Many studies show men do far less parenting and housework to make the house a home. I don't ever see men berating the fathers for their choices with boarding schools.

We all have reasons for the childcare/schooling options we choose but demonising boarding schools and suggesting they are banned when they provide some of the best academics in the country and plenty of balanced individuals while state schools continue to have knife attacks, SEN issues, behavioural issues and a MH crisis as well as crumbling buildings is ridiculous.

Knife attacks, sen etc.. happen in lots of schools including boarding and private schools.

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Jadebanditchillipepper · 25/11/2024 15:46

allmyliesaretrue · 25/11/2024 15:18

How very judgemental. You think your childcare was superior because you used a childminder or nanny. Wow.

I didn't say that or judge anyone. I've already said that I know a lot of people don't have a choice. It was just what I felt most comfortable with

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:44

Another76543 · 25/11/2024 15:24

I didn’t say every weekend. There are plenty of parents paying for full boarding where children go home for weekends, when they want to. The difference in price between weekly and full boarding is often relatively very small.

It seems about £2000 difference, Makes me wonder why all those parents are complaining about vat bankrupting them when they supposedly happily pay for full boarding, but mainly have their kids in weekly boarding.
Or maybe parents take their kids out for special occasions at weekends, so it is very occasional.

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:39

@StandingSideBySide Do you have a link? Sorry I cant read those small charts and the ,magnifier does not work on them. Thanks.

Helico · 25/11/2024 15:34

I went to a prep school but didn’t board. My sister flexi-boarded by choice and loved it.
Anecdotally girls seem to have better experiences than boys, and I wonder if that’s because they tend to have more nurturing friendships.

I worked for a family who churned out children and sent them all to board at 8 because that’s what they had done and their parents before them and grandparents etc. Very, very successful family, three of them are at the top of their fields. All are emotional wastelands but have no idea. They have idyllically material lives, have married similar people, are repeating the same pattern with their own children. They have no idea that they’re fucked up because they only socialise with people like them, from a similar background. It’s like that awful film Saltburn but in real life. Weird as fuck.

Hagr1d · 25/11/2024 15:29

pizzapizzadaddio · 24/11/2024 22:19

@SapphireSeptember

I’m on mat leave too (not my first kid) and there’s tremendous pressure both financial and social to return to work and put my tiny baby in full time childcare. It’s such a political hot potato and government are now actually paying parents - in the form of the new 30 hours a week - to leave their 9 month old babies. And I find it messed up that everyone is applauding this move even though we know there’s no benefit for kids till around 3 years and we’ve no idea of the long term implications. I wouldn’t judge anyone for choices and I’ve used nursery childcare myself and will do again. I don’t know too many parents who don’t.

Interesting though that many of the arguments on this thread against boarding school (the attachment theories and why have kids just to leave them with someone else) could just as easily be reasonably applied to parents of kids in nursery.

Same, I agree with you but am going to have to put my child into nursery too. Work won't let me reduce my hours to part time so I'm having to return full time for around 12 weeks and then will stay at home for a whilst she's tiny. I have to go back for 12 weeks though otherwise I'm liable to pay back a lot of the mat leave payments.

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 15:26

Another76543 · 25/11/2024 15:17

“Full boarders” are often allowed home at weekends when they choose though. There are very few schools left where pupils are only allowed home during exeats.

Ours were quite strict but tbh they wouldn’t have had time anyway with Saturday school am and sporting commitments after lunch then on Sunday there’s Cathedral.
They had Exeats though ( mid term break, none of ours wanted to come home though ).
Plus we could meet for lunch in town whenever they were free, even during the week if they had free periods.

Another76543 · 25/11/2024 15:24

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:20

The site has weekly boarding separately accounted for. Of course full boarders might go home occasionally at weekends, but nobody is paying for full boarding covering weekends, but taking their child home every weekend. That would be crazy. Just pay for weekly boarding.

I didn’t say every weekend. There are plenty of parents paying for full boarding where children go home for weekends, when they want to. The difference in price between weekly and full boarding is often relatively very small.

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 15:22

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:16

@StandingSideBySide From here https://www.schoolsmith.co.uk/boarding-schools/

I know they are from 2020 and there are more recent sources, but they are the only ones I could find that broke down the kind of boarding taking place.

Ok
The 2020 date accounts for the discrepancy in numbers, that makes sense. There’s not really a lot in it year on year but here’s some nice diagrams 😌 courtesy of the ISC latest report.
The one with the pie charts is interesting as it gives intel on boarding based on type and age.

to think boarding schools are no longer ok...
to think boarding schools are no longer ok...
ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:20

Another76543 · 25/11/2024 15:17

“Full boarders” are often allowed home at weekends when they choose though. There are very few schools left where pupils are only allowed home during exeats.

The site has weekly boarding separately accounted for. Of course full boarders might go home occasionally at weekends, but nobody is paying for full boarding covering weekends, but taking their child home every weekend. That would be crazy. Just pay for weekly boarding.

Lampzade · 25/11/2024 15:19

I would never put my child in a boarding school. Never

allmyliesaretrue · 25/11/2024 15:18

Jadebanditchillipepper · 25/11/2024 00:50

The first documentary made me feel sick. 8 year old girls sent away from home at the age of 8 and the solution to missing home and their Mum's was to limit contact?? And some house mistress woman saying that the school knows best (about the environment - yes, but not about those girls). Imagine putting an (undiagnosed) autistic child into that?

I'm not completely against boarding schools if it's flexi boarding (not more than 1-2 nights per week from year 7 at a minimum) or if the child wants it/they have special skills that would be better nurtured at boarding school - sports/music/performing arts and for those children who have really chaotic home lives and need stability.

But really, it's just awful. I don't also "agree" with nursery 10 hours a day for young children, but at least they have a parent putting them to bed and present if they wake up in the night, and then getting them up in the morning - I worked LTFT when mine were young and used childminders/nannies so it was just one other person they became attached to, but I have absolute sympathy with those families either single parent or where both parents have to work - it isn't easy and sometimes, they have no choice

How very judgemental. You think your childcare was superior because you used a childminder or nanny. Wow.

Another76543 · 25/11/2024 15:17

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:13

@Another76543 About 80% of boarders are full boarders. The rest are weekly boarders or flexi board.

“Full boarders” are often allowed home at weekends when they choose though. There are very few schools left where pupils are only allowed home during exeats.

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:16

@StandingSideBySide From here https://www.schoolsmith.co.uk/boarding-schools/

I know they are from 2020 and there are more recent sources, but they are the only ones I could find that broke down the kind of boarding taking place.

Boarding schools. What you need to know

Boarding schools. Expensive. Extra curricular. Home sickness. You know that. Here's 13 things a parent needs to consider before choosing boarding.

https://www.schoolsmith.co.uk/boarding-schools

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 15:14

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 14:59

In the UK there are 497 mainstream schools that offer boarding to 75,000 pupils.
On average, two-thirds of pupils at boarding schools are day pupils. 4% of the total boarding population is younger than 11 - so 4,000 pupils. 87% of all boarders are at a senior school.

About 80% of boarders are full boarders. The rest are weekly boarders or flexi board. So the vast majority of boarders still stay at school all week, going home for holidays.

Where’s this from as the 2023 census states 66,000 pupils at boarding and the ISC states 70,000 ( at one time or another ) ie accounting for those that stay occasionally due to weekend sporting commitments etc
Just interested in where your stats are from

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:13

@Another76543 About 80% of boarders are full boarders. The rest are weekly boarders or flexi board.

Hoppinggreen · 25/11/2024 15:12

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:07

6% of all boarders are children of UK Forces parents.
A further 6% are children of UK parents working overseas. A significant 37% of boarders are foreign nationals.
51%, of the total boarding population of 75,000 pupils are UK parents not working overseas or in the military.

So if we remove the 1% to allow for the tiny number whose circumstances mean they are better off NOT living at home I would say 50% of Boarding school pupils have no good reason to be there - other than convenience for the parents.

And as for saying its not necessarily Boarding school that messes people up - virtually ALL the men I went to school with who Boarded (and I keep in touch with) are divorced or single whereas most of the ones who were Day pupils are married. Small sample and could just be a very odd coincidence but i think its telling.

Another76543 · 25/11/2024 15:11

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 14:59

In the UK there are 497 mainstream schools that offer boarding to 75,000 pupils.
On average, two-thirds of pupils at boarding schools are day pupils. 4% of the total boarding population is younger than 11 - so 4,000 pupils. 87% of all boarders are at a senior school.

About 80% of boarders are full boarders. The rest are weekly boarders or flexi board. So the vast majority of boarders still stay at school all week, going home for holidays.

At junior level, which is what the OP was mainly talking about, the picture is very different. Only 35% or so are full boarders. Even at senior level, “full boarding” does not mean that children only go home for holidays either. I don’t know of a school which doesn’t offer exeat weekends, and full boarders often go home for weekends in between.

Many boarding school pupils have been at home for 3 days this weekend, as it was exeat. They’ll be home again in 2.5 weeks for almost a month off at Christmas. It’s worth noting that school terms are much shorter, and school holidays much longer, at boarding schools. It’s not unusual to have 9 weeks off in the summer, 2 weeks in October, 4 weeks at Christmas, a week at half term, another 4 weeks at Easter, and another week in May. 20 odd weeks of the year are spent away from school. The idea that these children are packed off for weeks on end simply isn’t true.

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:07

6% of all boarders are children of UK Forces parents.
A further 6% are children of UK parents working overseas. A significant 37% of boarders are foreign nationals.
51%, of the total boarding population of 75,000 pupils are UK parents not working overseas or in the military.

allmyliesaretrue · 25/11/2024 15:06

TempestTost · 25/11/2024 00:00

I tend to agree that it's not something that is very good until the teen years.

I do think it can be a good experience for teens (esp 15+) if it's a well run place and if the home life is also given serious consideration - so the children see their parents regularly, spend time at home, and have a warm relationship with them.

Not like some kids I knew in university who not only boarded but spent all summer at a camp. Usually from age 12. They all seemed messed up.

I do think there is some place to consider boarding as an option for children whose home life is bad and can't be improved. Or where there is no home. I've known of a few cases of children in fostering situations that seemed very unstable and thought those kids might be better off in a fairly stable institutional setting.

I also agree with some pp that we are a little contradictory in our thinking about boarding for young kids vs nursery type situations which involve long hours for quite young children.

They aren't remotely comparable.

Another76543 · 25/11/2024 15:00

For all those saying that they know of emotionally troubled and unhappy adults who went to boarding school, there are plenty of adults who didn’t go to boarding school who have mental health problems. There are plenty of adults who hated school who didn’t board. There is a huge mental health problem amongst teens and young people. We should be looking at the causes of that rather than trying to blame boarding school, which very few (far less than 1%) of children attend.

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 14:59

In the UK there are 497 mainstream schools that offer boarding to 75,000 pupils.
On average, two-thirds of pupils at boarding schools are day pupils. 4% of the total boarding population is younger than 11 - so 4,000 pupils. 87% of all boarders are at a senior school.

About 80% of boarders are full boarders. The rest are weekly boarders or flexi board. So the vast majority of boarders still stay at school all week, going home for holidays.

to think boarding schools are no longer ok...
Hoppinggreen · 25/11/2024 14:53

Point is does she really understand that hating it is an option?
So many kids at my school were all a bit "meh" about it and would have said it was fine BUT it had been sold to them as necessary in the majority of cases and it really wasn't.

jeaux90 · 25/11/2024 14:48

@Hoppinggreen if I'm right your question is what I'd do if she hated it?

Point is she doesn't, a lot of them flexi board for them it's just a sleep over with their mates.

Now given that boarding/day/private schools often serve a really broad geographic area, it gives them a chance to do something they wouldn't do otherwise.

Also a different school I know a lot of them sleep over/board Friday nights too as they are up early for rowing/hockey/rugby. It's a sports centric school.

As I said, I think a lot of people still perceive that this is all leather trunks and off you pop....and this might come as shock but actually the vast majority of the full term boarders at her school are Chinese. International boarders make up the vast majority.

It's a rare thing nowadays to find a boarding school with majority UK boarders.

Another76543 · 25/11/2024 14:45

Mnetcurious · 25/11/2024 11:12

Still not comparable to sending young children away for weeks and months at a time without someone they love to tuck them into bed with a cuddle every night.

Boarders are not away from home for weeks or months at a time though. There are very few full boarding schools left, even at 13+, and even those are set up so they see parents at least every 3 weeks (in reality, much more, as parents visit). Particularly at prep stage, boarding tends to be on a flexi basis where children only spend part of the week away from home.

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