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to think boarding schools are no longer ok...

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BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:11

Inspired by another thread, and some old YouTube documentaries I've recently watched, I can't help but feel boarding schools for under 13's (i.e. boarding prep schools) have had their time.

Maybe they used to be an acceptable option, but with all the research we now have available, showing the damage done by separation of young children from their parents, do you think boarding for v young kids (8/9/10/11) will eventually be banned except in v exceptional circumstances?

And if our politicians including past PMs like Johnson and Cameron were not a product of boarding schools, do you think they'd have more compassion and be less cut off from emotion and feelings? and better able to relate to us common folk?

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wastingtimeonhere · 25/11/2024 19:28

Kids who are affected by boarding schools would more than likely be the ones with issues in ordinary schools.
Predisposition to mental health issues, they just manifest differently.
CAMHs lists aren't made up predominantly of boarders.

Hoppinggreen · 25/11/2024 19:25

Dorisbonson · 25/11/2024 19:10

Such a disappointing thread.

So many people with no experience desperate to impose their views on others.

If you aren't going to send your kids to boarding school or you have zero experience of it why is your opinion relevant?

It won't affect your kids (who are you to impose your views on others kids?) and you don't know anything about it.

Actually I think you will find that a lot of people commenting do have either direct and/or indirect experience of Boarding schools

WindsurfingDreams · 25/11/2024 19:17

Dorisbonson · 25/11/2024 19:10

Such a disappointing thread.

So many people with no experience desperate to impose their views on others.

If you aren't going to send your kids to boarding school or you have zero experience of it why is your opinion relevant?

It won't affect your kids (who are you to impose your views on others kids?) and you don't know anything about it.

Mumsnet would be a very quiet place if we all applied that rule.

For what it's worth, we would have a much wider choice of schools if we were prepared to send our children to boarding school, so it was a brief consideration and we did talk to friends who had been and did lot of research before ruling it out

corkindigo · 25/11/2024 19:13

@Dorisbonson do you only have opinions on things that directly impact you? Some of us will have had the option to use a boarding school but chose not to, that is still relevant experience, otherwise it would be pretty skewed?

Dorisbonson · 25/11/2024 19:10

Such a disappointing thread.

So many people with no experience desperate to impose their views on others.

If you aren't going to send your kids to boarding school or you have zero experience of it why is your opinion relevant?

It won't affect your kids (who are you to impose your views on others kids?) and you don't know anything about it.

corkindigo · 25/11/2024 18:53

I think in 20 years time we will see the fallout. I don’t care if I get crucified for my belief as I know many parents actually share them deep down but feel they have no choice

This isn't a new phenomenon, I was raised like this in the 80s and 90s as were most of my friends and family, I have nothing but wholesome and happy memories of my childhood (barring the usual trials and tribulations of life) and have good relationships with my parents.

allmyliesaretrue · 25/11/2024 18:53

GoldenGail · 25/11/2024 18:34

I agree with you wholeheartedly and many babies are put in at an even younger age. I’m an old fashioned Granny who believes that children should be raised by people who love them for the majority of the time. A couple of days a week of daycare they probably survive but to have parents for an hour in the morning and evening and weekends???? I think in 20 years time we will see the fallout. I don’t care if I get crucified for my belief as I know many parents actually share them deep down but feel they have no choice

Well why aren't we "suffering the fallout" now because children have been placed in nurseries for way longer than that!? I know all of my 20-somethings have survived pretty well! All happy and thriving!!

allmyliesaretrue · 25/11/2024 18:48

WhitegreeNcandle · 25/11/2024 17:29

I don’t want parents to do anything and I don’t mean to make people feel bad. I think government needs to change the culture of two full time working parents when kids are young. It’s hard. Really hard.

Most parents need to work, both of them. I don't know how the government are going to change that!

Hototast · 25/11/2024 18:48

I honestly think boarding school up to the age of 16 is hideous. Like a PP stated, even if the child appears happy now, there is no way there won't have been a detrimental affect which will show itself at some point in life.

We are mammals, we are supposed to be reared by our parents or at the very least, guardians that love us and care for us on an emotional level.

Perhaps parents that pack their children off to boarding school live by the logic they don't like nor love their children so perhaps the school teachers will?

Who the fuck knows what goes through the head of someone that sends a 6/7/8 year old to boarding school.

allmyliesaretrue · 25/11/2024 18:44

Whitefluffycloud · 25/11/2024 16:33

Only if your counting hours while the baby is asleep

In which universe do babies sleep all night?

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 18:43

GoldenGail · 25/11/2024 18:34

I agree with you wholeheartedly and many babies are put in at an even younger age. I’m an old fashioned Granny who believes that children should be raised by people who love them for the majority of the time. A couple of days a week of daycare they probably survive but to have parents for an hour in the morning and evening and weekends???? I think in 20 years time we will see the fallout. I don’t care if I get crucified for my belief as I know many parents actually share them deep down but feel they have no choice

My kids are 23, 20 and 20

In order to keep our jobs and registration we both had to work full time and our kids were all in full time nursery from a young age.

So here we are 20 plus years later and our kids and those kids they went to nursery with are all absolutely fine.

No fallout here thanks!!

lavenderlou · 25/11/2024 18:36

Hoppinggreen · 25/11/2024 13:45

Babies at nursery come home at the end of every day, its not the same at all.
Its a tired argument thats often used when talking about Boarding schools.

The argument is probably used most often by wealthy parents who could afford a nanny before they sent their kids off to boarding school.

Maybe nurseries aren't ideal but often there isn't another option.
SAHP - cost of living too high for most households to manage on one wage.
Childminder- impossible to find in many areas.
Grandparents - have to work longer themselves before retiring so not available.

There is nearly always an alternative to boarding school.

GoldenGail · 25/11/2024 18:34

pizzapizzadaddio · 24/11/2024 21:30

I feel like it depends on the kid. Many love it. I guess they’d be getting such a high quality of education that it’s probably a decision best weighed up overall. Some of the most well adjusted adults I know are ex boarders. Equally some despise it and that’s very sad.

The issue that bothers me more and I think future generations will look back in horror about is 9-6 childcare for babies from 12 months meaning they only see parents at weekends. And I speak as someone who can’t afford to be a SAHM. I think it’s pretty horrific to separate babies and toddlers from their parents and we’re the first generation who can’t afford to stay at home really (obviously people have always done this but nowadays most of use nursery) We don’t yet know the consequences of this and it’s taboo to discuss. I have never spoken of this to anyone other than my husband. Boarding schools seem to be fair game in a way nurseries are not.

I agree with you wholeheartedly and many babies are put in at an even younger age. I’m an old fashioned Granny who believes that children should be raised by people who love them for the majority of the time. A couple of days a week of daycare they probably survive but to have parents for an hour in the morning and evening and weekends???? I think in 20 years time we will see the fallout. I don’t care if I get crucified for my belief as I know many parents actually share them deep down but feel they have no choice

Hoppinggreen · 25/11/2024 18:30

boardermum · 25/11/2024 18:15

Both my girls started boarding at almost 10. DD1 went to an amazing, country prep school which, unusually, still had a high number of boarders, so she had a brilliant time with tons of friends. They lived in the most beautiful buildings and had freedom to roam the extensive grounds. She was always super-independent and never experienced home-sickness. She went on to a full-boarding-only, selective senior school that people would think of as pushy, but she had the happiest years there. Now at uni, she'd go back to school in a heartbeat. She always said she just never wanted to leave - that it was just endless fun - in lessons, in sports, and in the evenings. We lived nearby for a lot of the time, so went to her sports matches every week. She has a huge circle of close friends who are all incredibly lovely, balanced, young adults.

DD2 wouldn't have coped in the selective environment, so she went to a straight-through school. She found friendships more difficult and tolerated it rather than loved it. She was happy to be there as it was better than the alternative (moving schools regularly), but was very happy to leave.

People always have very strong opinions on boarding, but in my experience, most of the kids are very happy there. There were always some who hated it, but were forced to stay by their parents - I'm sure this can't be good for them.

Well as long as the buildings were beautiful.
We went to collect a family member from her Boarding school for the weekend, she used to ask to come every weekend but we couldn't manage that.
DD was about the same age and she comment when we pulled up at the school full of beautiful buildings "sorry your parents don't want you to live at home but heres a lovely statue of a horse"

Hoppinggreen · 25/11/2024 18:26

trelawney59 · 25/11/2024 18:10

WWYD if your DC had a talent that couldn’t be accommodated in a local school state or private? My child had the dream since the age of six to do something that they can’t do in our home county or the next county because of their gender.
Single parent who can’t afford to move so that they could follow their dream as a day pupil.
This was my reality a few years ago with my DC. It was all initiated by them and they demonstrated that they had the talent. They love the fact that they’re living their dream. Contact is pretty much daily via phone, text and or email.
Obviously, I’d much prefer them to be at home but until this country genuinely offers equality of access and opportunity in my DCs chosen field then some youngsters don’t have the option not to attend boarding schools.

That very different, you were doing what was best for your child in unusual circumstances, it wasn't because you fancied being a trailing ex pat spouse

boardermum · 25/11/2024 18:15

Both my girls started boarding at almost 10. DD1 went to an amazing, country prep school which, unusually, still had a high number of boarders, so she had a brilliant time with tons of friends. They lived in the most beautiful buildings and had freedom to roam the extensive grounds. She was always super-independent and never experienced home-sickness. She went on to a full-boarding-only, selective senior school that people would think of as pushy, but she had the happiest years there. Now at uni, she'd go back to school in a heartbeat. She always said she just never wanted to leave - that it was just endless fun - in lessons, in sports, and in the evenings. We lived nearby for a lot of the time, so went to her sports matches every week. She has a huge circle of close friends who are all incredibly lovely, balanced, young adults.

DD2 wouldn't have coped in the selective environment, so she went to a straight-through school. She found friendships more difficult and tolerated it rather than loved it. She was happy to be there as it was better than the alternative (moving schools regularly), but was very happy to leave.

People always have very strong opinions on boarding, but in my experience, most of the kids are very happy there. There were always some who hated it, but were forced to stay by their parents - I'm sure this can't be good for them.

h733 · 25/11/2024 18:14

And most of the SAHMs I knew sent their children to nursery at least a couple of days a week.

I'm a SAHM and I send my nearly three year old in three days a week between 08:30 and 16:00.

A lot of my rationale for this is to keep up with all the other kids that go to nursery.

It's not a disadvantage if they don't go. Which is utterly crazy.

trelawney59 · 25/11/2024 18:10

WWYD if your DC had a talent that couldn’t be accommodated in a local school state or private? My child had the dream since the age of six to do something that they can’t do in our home county or the next county because of their gender.
Single parent who can’t afford to move so that they could follow their dream as a day pupil.
This was my reality a few years ago with my DC. It was all initiated by them and they demonstrated that they had the talent. They love the fact that they’re living their dream. Contact is pretty much daily via phone, text and or email.
Obviously, I’d much prefer them to be at home but until this country genuinely offers equality of access and opportunity in my DCs chosen field then some youngsters don’t have the option not to attend boarding schools.

LondonWeeknd · 25/11/2024 18:10

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:56

Anyone remember this awful hammer attack by a pupil on two other pupils as they slept?
https://www.cps.gov.uk/south-west/news/update-private-school-pupil-given-life-sentence-ham

That was at my DH's old school.

He says he loved it there - from 13-19 - but his mother cried every time he spoke to her on telephone or went home a few times a year.

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OonaStubbs · 25/11/2024 17:54

We fetishize childhood too much in this country and it has a negative effect on the adults that children grow up to be. Children are adults in training, nothing more, nothing less. People spend 60 or more years as adults compared to 18 (if that) as children.

Bizarred · 25/11/2024 17:52

I'm an ex-boarder, from age 11-18. While I would never send my own child, because I enjoy them and don't want them growing inevitably away from me prematurely, I think from Year 9 onwards, most children would enjoy it. Pre Year 9, no. All too young, and in order to cope, the children build walls around themselves, which the parents either genuinely can't see (because they don't bother getting close enough anyway) or pretend they can't see in order not to admit to the irrevocable mistake they've made.

WhitegreeNcandle · 25/11/2024 17:29

allmyliesaretrue · 25/11/2024 16:04

That's just ridiculous. So what do you want parents to do? More fucking guilt-tripping. I needed to work for many reasons. My children loved nursery. They did far more fun things than I would ever have done with them.

I don’t want parents to do anything and I don’t mean to make people feel bad. I think government needs to change the culture of two full time working parents when kids are young. It’s hard. Really hard.

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 17:24

cardibach · 25/11/2024 17:22

Was it ok for me to do it? Single parent working as a teacher, so only term time. I wasn’t so much preserving my career as preserving the roof over our heads. It’s completely different from boarding school, there are other options for that. There aren’t enough childminders for everyone to do that, plus at my DD’s nursery she had the same caregiver every day so there wasn’t really a difference (this is often the case).
Once my DD went to university I worked in a boarding school (in boarding) so I’m not ignorant of how they work and of how few children genuinely benefit from them/love them.

See report/ study I posted earlier looking at a wide range of different boarding schools

cardibach · 25/11/2024 17:22

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 25/11/2024 14:16

Ah but it's exactly the same with people talking about banning boarding school (generally people with zero personal experience).

One could say it's borderline child abuse abandoning your non-verbal baby/toddler/child, who cannot even tell you what they have done each day, with complete strangers for the majority of their waking hours (and not just for academic terms but all year round), just so you can afford the mega mortgage or keep your career on track.

After all, it's only 4 years. Very selfish not to move somewhere more affordable, or perhaps save before you have children so you can afford to stay at home. Or just don't have a career at all?

I mean, it's totally reasonable to say that isn't it?

Or you could say that parents are free to make the decisions that work best for their children and lifestyle.

Was it ok for me to do it? Single parent working as a teacher, so only term time. I wasn’t so much preserving my career as preserving the roof over our heads. It’s completely different from boarding school, there are other options for that. There aren’t enough childminders for everyone to do that, plus at my DD’s nursery she had the same caregiver every day so there wasn’t really a difference (this is often the case).
Once my DD went to university I worked in a boarding school (in boarding) so I’m not ignorant of how they work and of how few children genuinely benefit from them/love them.