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to think boarding schools are no longer ok...

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BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:11

Inspired by another thread, and some old YouTube documentaries I've recently watched, I can't help but feel boarding schools for under 13's (i.e. boarding prep schools) have had their time.

Maybe they used to be an acceptable option, but with all the research we now have available, showing the damage done by separation of young children from their parents, do you think boarding for v young kids (8/9/10/11) will eventually be banned except in v exceptional circumstances?

And if our politicians including past PMs like Johnson and Cameron were not a product of boarding schools, do you think they'd have more compassion and be less cut off from emotion and feelings? and better able to relate to us common folk?

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corkindigo · 26/11/2024 09:21

@twistyizzy yes human rights lawyer screams emotionally void doesn't it.

RedToothBrush · 26/11/2024 09:19

My father boarded from 7. As far as I'm aware, he enjoyed it.

Interesting you haven't/didn't had a conversation about it.

twistyizzy · 26/11/2024 09:18

corkindigo · 26/11/2024 09:17

We don’t give a fuck what you think as we know perfectly well that if you saw the children that came out of our school you would be all over it and a lot of this is set up as concern for the welfare of our kids when it’s not.

I don't know...we've seen enough politicians coming out of the system for me to think it's not something I want to be "all over" and wish less of them would end up in the political system, perhaps we'd then have some politicians with some semblance of understanding of how wider society operates and perhaps even some empathy, rather than emotionally void, power hungry, unloved narcissists.

"emotionally void, power hungry, unloved narcissists" sums up current Labour leadership very well

corkindigo · 26/11/2024 09:17

We don’t give a fuck what you think as we know perfectly well that if you saw the children that came out of our school you would be all over it and a lot of this is set up as concern for the welfare of our kids when it’s not.

I don't know...we've seen enough politicians coming out of the system for me to think it's not something I want to be "all over" and wish less of them would end up in the political system, perhaps we'd then have some politicians with some semblance of understanding of how wider society operates and perhaps even some empathy, rather than emotionally void, power hungry, unloved narcissists.

Givinganopinion · 26/11/2024 09:05

Of course the whole premise of this post is setting up one set of parents against another. All part of this stupid governments plan to look to destroy the private school system. Annihilate the smaller schools by making it impossible for them to run. The bigger public schools are harder as we aren’t fundamentally affected by it so pitch man against man. Make it unacceptable/taboo/seen as neglectful and you do half the job for them.

Problem you have is that, at least at our school, us vilified parents are somewhat rebelling. We don’t give a fuck what you think as we know perfectly well that if you saw the children that came out of our school you would be all over it and a lot of this is set up as concern for the welfare of our kids when it’s not.

But the parents and grandparents are just protecting their legacy with grandparents handing over money to ensure fees are paid, even for those of us who can afford it like us so we can set it up for our grandkids. But what won’t be happening is a blase acceptance of scholarships or use of our facilities for free. If you hate it all so much. You can say goodbye to that too cos sure as hell I ain’t paying what I am paying for you to take advantage and make snide destructive remarks on the side.

So off you pop and I will make sure the big wooden historical door doesn’t hit you on the way out.

Hoppinggreen · 26/11/2024 07:54

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 25/11/2024 23:38

For those who can't fathom children wanting to board, or who feel parents whose children enjoy it should worry what the home life is like, how would you react if your children want to go abroad for university?

Or if your children decide to move to Australia or the USA after school or university?

Wanting to leave home at 18+ is very different to wanting to do it at 11

corkindigo · 26/11/2024 07:36

It wasn't a 'point'. I am genuinely interested having come across a lot of people who are very unhappy at the idea of their children even moving a long way from home within the UK for university, and even more who hate the idea of their children potentially living in another country.

You're really doing some mental gymnastics here which is showing how far you're having to reach to defend the indefensible, are you really comparing shipping off an 8, 10, 13 year old to boarding school to grown adults moving away to university or emigrating like it is a point with any value? I also didn't let my child cross the road without holding my hand for a few years, do you think I am struggling to not do that now they're teenagers....? No....when they're adults they will seek the life they want and I hope it takes them somewhere exciting, right now, their place is a home with us.

F1rugby23 · 26/11/2024 06:44

Even though I hated boarding in the 80s, I imagine pastoral care is so much better now. We were only allowed to communicate via letter at prep school. We had a married couple as housemaster and house mistress and while they were lovely to an outside observer, they had favourites and didn't really have time for quiet kids like me.

There is also a huge difference between full boarding with only seeing parents in holidays and weekly/flexible boarding with a supportive family living nearby.

It also depends on the child, some loved it and some, like me, didn't. I never had a choice, some children want to go.

jeaux90 · 26/11/2024 06:13

@WhitegreeNcandle

I don’t want parents to do anything and I don’t mean to make people feel bad. I think government needs to change the culture of two full time working parents when kids are young. It’s hard. Really hard.

And lone parents? What do we do?
I had a live in nanny, then secondary private with flexi boarding a couple of nights a week so maybe 60 nights a year she boards.

What is it you would like me to do as a lone parent who needs to travel for work?

No family support, no shared parenting from feckless ex.

I mean thankfully I DGAF what other people think.

Some of us choose this for our DC as they love it, some of us have no choice, some parents are arseholes whether they use boarding or not.

TempestTost · 26/11/2024 01:21

allmyliesaretrue · 25/11/2024 15:06

They aren't remotely comparable.

Oh well, that;s fine then.

EBearhug · 26/11/2024 00:41

I think a lot depends on the child, the school and the parents.

Plenty of people have a terrible time at day schools, whether state or private. It's certainly not something only boarding schools experience.

Not all parents are nurturing, loving and supportive. Yes, they should be, but they aren't. Some parents are absent, whether through desertion, work, death, alcoholism, ill health - all sorts of reasons.

Different schools have different cultures. Even different boarding houses can have different cultures within a school. So a child who gets on well at one school may not fit well in another.

Decisions aren't just made about the children's needs,though. They're also made about the parents, about family tradition - there are schools with generations of - mostly boys,to be fair, - from the same family. I doubt there's much consideration there if it's really the best place for a particular child. Money is a big factor, too. It's not a cheap option,especially if you don't get any scholarship or bursary.

I've a friend who is pastoral lead at a top school, boarding from year 9. He does it partly because his own experiences at public school means he is very determined to not have any children experiencing what he did. He can only do so much, though - the new overseas students with homesickness who don't get to go home on exeat weekends etc - they do their best to keep them entertained when the rest of school has cleared out, but you can't change the fact they're a very long way from their parents.

My father boarded from 7. As far as I'm aware, he enjoyed it. We met people he'd been at school with (some as godparents.) He seemed much more sorted emotionally than my mother who was entirely state educated in day schools.

It's definitely not for everyone, but some people thrive, and I wouldn't ban it.

Mnetcurious · 26/11/2024 00:11

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 26/11/2024 00:01

It wasn't a 'point'. I am genuinely interested having come across a lot of people who are very unhappy at the idea of their children even moving a long way from home within the UK for university, and even more who hate the idea of their children potentially living in another country.

My siblings are spread across 3 continents and two of us lived overseas in multiple countries for many years, so my parents got an awful lot of 'I couldn't bear it if DD/DS moved so far away' from people.

It's easy to say that you would be happy at your child embracing the world and its opportunities. I just wondered if that was genuinely the case for those who cannot fathom children being away from home during the school term in secondary education.

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Of course I wouldn’t be thrilled about my child moving to the other side of the world but then they’d be an adult and I guess I’m someone who enjoys plenty of time spent with my children especially in the short precious years of their childhood. Also I wouldn’t have a choice in the matter as it wouldn’t be my decision, unlike the choice to send them away to boarding school.

ForRealTurtle · 26/11/2024 00:08

@OhCrumbsWhereNow it is normal for parents to want to look after their own children at home. Not some aberration.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 26/11/2024 00:01

It wasn't a 'point'. I am genuinely interested having come across a lot of people who are very unhappy at the idea of their children even moving a long way from home within the UK for university, and even more who hate the idea of their children potentially living in another country.

My siblings are spread across 3 continents and two of us lived overseas in multiple countries for many years, so my parents got an awful lot of 'I couldn't bear it if DD/DS moved so far away' from people.

It's easy to say that you would be happy at your child embracing the world and its opportunities. I just wondered if that was genuinely the case for those who cannot fathom children being away from home during the school term in secondary education.

Mnetcurious · 25/11/2024 23:54

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 25/11/2024 23:38

For those who can't fathom children wanting to board, or who feel parents whose children enjoy it should worry what the home life is like, how would you react if your children want to go abroad for university?

Or if your children decide to move to Australia or the USA after school or university?

By that point they’d be an adult who didn’t need the nurturing, care and love that a child does. I’d be expecting them to move away and only return for holidays at that stage even if university was only two hours away. What a bizarre “point”.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 25/11/2024 23:46

Just intrigued.

After all if you can't imagine not having your 16/17/18 year old there to tuck up and chat to every night, how does that miraculously change at 19.

Frozensnow · 25/11/2024 23:45

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 25/11/2024 23:38

For those who can't fathom children wanting to board, or who feel parents whose children enjoy it should worry what the home life is like, how would you react if your children want to go abroad for university?

Or if your children decide to move to Australia or the USA after school or university?

If they wanted to go abroad as adults then that sounds great. They have developed the confidence and independence when at home to want to explore the world- amazing! They are not children during or after university so it doesn’t compare in the slightest

RedToothBrush · 25/11/2024 23:43

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OhCrumbsWhereNow · 25/11/2024 23:38

For those who can't fathom children wanting to board, or who feel parents whose children enjoy it should worry what the home life is like, how would you react if your children want to go abroad for university?

Or if your children decide to move to Australia or the USA after school or university?

Givinganopinion · 25/11/2024 23:31

Good news is my life choices don’t impact yours. If you don’t agree with boarding, don’t do it

Frozensnow · 25/11/2024 23:19

I think that bar both parents working in jobs like the army or your child needing residential care due to SEND, there is no good reason to send them away to live.

it is interesting to see so many posters with kids in boarding school insisting that it’s all great because their kids went to beautiful schools with nice buildings and they could phone and chat to housemistresses. I mean the buildings are probably way better than my year 8 sons local comp but he’s home with me where he should be and where he needs to be.

i don’t think it’s comparable to nursery either. Both my kids went 3 days a week from 6 months old. Because the grandparents worked and there were no childminders round here that had space. If the kids hadn’t have gone to nursery, I couldn’t have paid the mortgage. I would have loved to be a SAHM but there was no option due to cost of living.

boarding school is a choice. (As above excluding army jobs and kids with SEND needs). Why people would willingly choose to send young kids under the age of 13 away to live baffles me. Private schools don’t baffle me but boarding really does.

HangingOver · 25/11/2024 23:02

Boarding to day students the only difference was between 6pm and 7am. Of which awake was about 2.30 hours

I remember this! I was a day girl but often voluntarily stayed to supper and prep with my friends so didn't go home til 9pm... And didn't leave much before 5pm on a Saturday. My friends were much more interesting than my boring parents.

Whitefluffycloud · 25/11/2024 22:37

allmyliesaretrue · 25/11/2024 18:44

In which universe do babies sleep all night?

Mine always has from around 3 months old. 730pm-8am

Teenagehorrorbag · 25/11/2024 22:34

I'm sure it's far more caring than it used to be. I do feel it shouldnt be for children under the age of 11 though...

I chose to go aged 11 as my Father was in the Navy and we moved every couple of years. I was one of five. My older and younger brothers went to boarding school, but my younger sisters didn't as we were more settled geographically by then.

I loved it - although I did leave at 16 to do my A Levels locally. My older brother loved it and stayed until 18. My younger brother hated it and left at 16. I think it depends on so many variables...... This was all back in the 1970s.....

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 22:23

ColdWaterDipper · 25/11/2024 21:44

I worry about the effect of the full time childcare that my children had to go to from the age of 6 months old! I think it’s something that will majorly affect their generation - I’m doing my best to raise them as resilient, confident children but I wonder if being away from us for such a big part of their very young lives will have caused any issues that will come to light as they reach adulthood.

I boarded from a young age, but to be fair my parents weren’t that interested in us anyway (not in an uncaring way, just that was the norm in the 80s among the upper middle classes I think). I loved boarding and had a good experience but I definitely wouldn’t choose to send my own children away. One would love it, one I suspect would be more homesick. Maybe they’ll go at 13, but probably not. I would miss them too much!

Re your first para
Obviously every kid is different but all mine are adults now 23, 20 and 20 and all their full time nursery friends too.
No long term or even short term issues.
All easily make friends as they grew up from a young age doing so.
All independent and interesting and busy.
No idea if that is down to personality, nursery, school or boarding or even us but we have never noticed any issues

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