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to think boarding schools are no longer ok...

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BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:11

Inspired by another thread, and some old YouTube documentaries I've recently watched, I can't help but feel boarding schools for under 13's (i.e. boarding prep schools) have had their time.

Maybe they used to be an acceptable option, but with all the research we now have available, showing the damage done by separation of young children from their parents, do you think boarding for v young kids (8/9/10/11) will eventually be banned except in v exceptional circumstances?

And if our politicians including past PMs like Johnson and Cameron were not a product of boarding schools, do you think they'd have more compassion and be less cut off from emotion and feelings? and better able to relate to us common folk?

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ForRealTurtle · 26/11/2024 21:01

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:58

You can’t see because one of them is your own post.
Read that from the perspective of a parent using the system

‘once they’ve made the decision they’d rather not think about the risks ‘etc

That is my post. And I clarified tagging you in saying I was talking about school staff covering up and that articles have been posted by others where that has happened.
The fact that you have ignored what I said and made something else up suggests you are not discussing this issue in good faith.

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 21:01

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:58

You can’t see because one of them is your own post.
Read that from the perspective of a parent using the system

‘once they’ve made the decision they’d rather not think about the risks ‘etc

You've misunderstood. I am saying people ostrich about it not that they know it happens and don't care.

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:59

ForRealTurtle · 26/11/2024 20:57

NO ONE has said that!! How dare you suggest that.

See my last post

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:58

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 20:50

I can't see anyone has been insulting?

But it is interesting to wonder why people find this topic uncomfortable.

You can’t see because one of them is your own post.
Read that from the perspective of a parent using the system

‘once they’ve made the decision they’d rather not think about the risks ‘etc

to think boarding schools are no longer ok...
nam3c4ang3 · 26/11/2024 20:57

Boarding has its place i think, and in some cases like my husbands and his brothers, there was no other option. Would i send my own children? No, but then our circumstances are not as necessary as his was.

ForRealTurtle · 26/11/2024 20:57

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:52

If you read back over posts suggesting parents chose schools irrespective of abuse. !!!
That’s is a truly horrible thing to suggest.
To suggest that parents don’t care about their children.

If those sort of accusations are deemed alright to make then really I think anyone that doesn’t feel uncomfortable by them should ask themselves why !
Obviously !

NO ONE has said that!! How dare you suggest that.

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 20:56

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:52

If you read back over posts suggesting parents chose schools irrespective of abuse. !!!
That’s is a truly horrible thing to suggest.
To suggest that parents don’t care about their children.

If those sort of accusations are deemed alright to make then really I think anyone that doesn’t feel uncomfortable by them should ask themselves why !
Obviously !

Just cross posted with you. I didn't see that article

I don't think people choose the schools "irrespective" but I do worry that people take a "couldnt happen here" approach whereas the reality, as you correctly state, is that it can happen anywhere and I wouldn't trust a school that claimed it couldn't.

I don't agree with the removal of charitable status from these schools but I would like to see a much more honest and open conversation about the risks (one that doesn't segue into whataboutery)

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:52

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 20:48

It's not a "bashing fest" to talk about things that actually happened no matter how uncomfortable it makes people feel. A quick Google shows a devastating number of abuse convictions related to boarding schools. And that's just the cases that didn't get hushed away by hefty NDAs.

No doubt there are issues in other sectors too, but this was a thread about boarding schools and some reasons parents may be reluctant to use them. It's not derailing a thread about boarding schools to , you know, talk about boarding schools.

If it makes you feel that uncomfortable you might want to ask yourself why.

If you read back over posts suggesting parents chose schools irrespective of abuse. !!!
That’s is a truly horrible thing to suggest.
To suggest that parents don’t care about their children.

If those sort of accusations are deemed alright to make then really I think anyone that doesn’t feel uncomfortable by them should ask themselves why !
Obviously !

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 20:50

I can't see anyone has been insulting?

But it is interesting to wonder why people find this topic uncomfortable.

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:48

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 20:40

My children are privately educated. This is about the specific risks of boarding school. You can't make this state v private as there are boarding schools in both sectors

You will also notice others have raised the subject of nurseries. They are not boarding schools either. Conversations progresses, it happens.
As this is about boarding schools which educate children I think there is still a connection to alternatives available.

As long as their are no insults….either way

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 20:48

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:43

Unfortunately the conversation derailed into a bashing fest about abuse in private schools whilst ignoring all other types of schools.
Its now continuing to derail on other issues not related either

Agree there are both state and private boarding schools. I personally know little about state boarding so I can’t comment on that. It would be interesting if any MNs have any actual experience of them though ….. I’m aware of some in Scotland serving kids who live on the islands that’s about all really

It's not a "bashing fest" to talk about things that actually happened no matter how uncomfortable it makes people feel. A quick Google shows a devastating number of abuse convictions related to boarding schools. And that's just the cases that didn't get hushed away by hefty NDAs.

No doubt there are issues in other sectors too, but this was a thread about boarding schools and some reasons parents may be reluctant to use them. It's not derailing a thread about boarding schools to , you know, talk about boarding schools.

If it makes you feel that uncomfortable you might want to ask yourself why.

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:43

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 20:38

This isn't about state Vs private. It's about boarding Vs day (my children go to private school). There are state boarding schools too

Unfortunately the conversation derailed into a bashing fest about abuse in private schools whilst ignoring all other types of schools.
Its now continuing to derail on other issues not related either

Agree there are both state and private boarding schools. I personally know little about state boarding so I can’t comment on that. It would be interesting if any MNs have any actual experience of them though ….. I’m aware of some in Scotland serving kids who live on the islands that’s about all really

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 20:40

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:15

Just squishing some state school abuse there
Pot kettle black

My children are privately educated. This is about the specific risks of boarding school. You can't make this state v private as there are boarding schools in both sectors

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 20:38

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:12

And yet no one has pointed out the harm to kids of state schools as a parallel.
Who then is squishing discussion……

If MNs make a choice to use state then that is their choice, no one is here pointing out what a terrible choice they have made because that is rude and judgemental ( Irrespective of the state of state at the moment.).

To say people don’t look at the schools they chose and throw their kids to the wolves is disgusting!

This isn't about state Vs private. It's about boarding Vs day (my children go to private school). There are state boarding schools too

ForRealTurtle · 26/11/2024 20:27

IAmTooOldFor · 26/11/2024 20:20

One of the reasons that private/boarding schools might reduce the free use of sports facilities by state schools is so that they can then rent these facilities out in the same manner that a private gym does. It’s not through spite or bloody mindedness. No teacher (to the best of my knowledge) gets up in the morning and decides to “stick it” to a bunch of kids they’ve never met. If however the schools are treated as businesses legally, politically, and financially, they must act like businesses to survive.

Wouldn't that be a safeguarding concern renting out school facilities for adults to use?

ForRealTurtle · 26/11/2024 20:22

@StandingSideBySide You have misread my comment. Some of the articles shared show that signs of sexual abuse were ignored by some school staff. That is a matter of public record.
I am sure the parents had no idea.
But children in boarding are very vulnerable to sexual abuse.

IAmTooOldFor · 26/11/2024 20:20

ForRealTurtle · 26/11/2024 14:45

@StandingSideBySide Saying the school supports the community because parents spend money in local businesses is disingenuous.
I deliberately quoted one of your examples of something the school is stopping i.e. use of the schools sports facilities, which has no or a very low cost to the school. You came back explaining why they can no longer provide free scholarships - the highest cost activity you quoted.
Lots of private schools did local community things to keep their charitable status as it saved them money. Overall it helped them make more profit. And that is all that mattered. As soon as those things do not help them make more profit, they ditch them.

One of the reasons that private/boarding schools might reduce the free use of sports facilities by state schools is so that they can then rent these facilities out in the same manner that a private gym does. It’s not through spite or bloody mindedness. No teacher (to the best of my knowledge) gets up in the morning and decides to “stick it” to a bunch of kids they’ve never met. If however the schools are treated as businesses legally, politically, and financially, they must act like businesses to survive.

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:19

Hoppinggreen · 26/11/2024 20:17

I think you may find that some of us on here are anti Boarding school not anti private school. My DC go to Private school and I am very anti boarding

Appreciate that hopping.
Im pro choice.

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:18

ForRealTurtle · 26/11/2024 20:15

@StandingSideBySide these stories hit the papers when it happens in children's homes. I think the sexual abuse scandals in boarding schools have got fairly low coverage given how terrible some of them are and how the signs were ignored.

Think away.
Engaging in this and suggesting parents ignore abuse and dump their kids in boarding schools anyway is a disgusting thing to accuse parents of

So think away.
These thoughts are in themselves abusive.

Hoppinggreen · 26/11/2024 20:17

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:00

These stories hit the papers because they are news worthy.
People love to bash private schools and especially boarding schools.

That’s why threads like this exist.

I think you may find that some of us on here are anti Boarding school not anti private school. My DC go to Private school and I am very anti boarding

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:15

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 19:04

Of course. But in boarding schools and children's homes (the equivalent for poor children I guess) , children are uniquely vulnerable because they are there over night and for weeks on end

https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/24729639.winchester-college-cover-up-let-john-smyth-continue-abuse/

www.itv.com/news/calendar/2023-09-25/ex-deputy-head-of-boarding-school-jailed-for-abusing-20-pupils

There are so many examples, in fact there are other fairly recent ones just relating to those two schools. I don't know why people are uncomfortable to have discussions about the risks of boarding schools and keep trying to divert onto other things.

Just squishing some state school abuse there
Pot kettle black

ForRealTurtle · 26/11/2024 20:15

@StandingSideBySide these stories hit the papers when it happens in children's homes. I think the sexual abuse scandals in boarding schools have got fairly low coverage given how terrible some of them are and how the signs were ignored.

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:12

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 19:31

I guess once people have made the decision to send their children they would rather not think about the risks so they try and squish any discussion (as witnessed on this thread)

And yet no one has pointed out the harm to kids of state schools as a parallel.
Who then is squishing discussion……

If MNs make a choice to use state then that is their choice, no one is here pointing out what a terrible choice they have made because that is rude and judgemental ( Irrespective of the state of state at the moment.).

To say people don’t look at the schools they chose and throw their kids to the wolves is disgusting!

StandingSideBySide · 26/11/2024 20:00

WindsurfingDreams · 26/11/2024 19:04

Of course. But in boarding schools and children's homes (the equivalent for poor children I guess) , children are uniquely vulnerable because they are there over night and for weeks on end

https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/24729639.winchester-college-cover-up-let-john-smyth-continue-abuse/

www.itv.com/news/calendar/2023-09-25/ex-deputy-head-of-boarding-school-jailed-for-abusing-20-pupils

There are so many examples, in fact there are other fairly recent ones just relating to those two schools. I don't know why people are uncomfortable to have discussions about the risks of boarding schools and keep trying to divert onto other things.

These stories hit the papers because they are news worthy.
People love to bash private schools and especially boarding schools.

That’s why threads like this exist.

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