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to think boarding schools are no longer ok...

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BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:11

Inspired by another thread, and some old YouTube documentaries I've recently watched, I can't help but feel boarding schools for under 13's (i.e. boarding prep schools) have had their time.

Maybe they used to be an acceptable option, but with all the research we now have available, showing the damage done by separation of young children from their parents, do you think boarding for v young kids (8/9/10/11) will eventually be banned except in v exceptional circumstances?

And if our politicians including past PMs like Johnson and Cameron were not a product of boarding schools, do you think they'd have more compassion and be less cut off from emotion and feelings? and better able to relate to us common folk?

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pl228 · 24/11/2024 23:18

My elderly mum still regularly talks about her short spell at boarding school as a young kid. Horrible.

That said, I can see the necessity. I know someone who went from 8-18 and it was because her dad left and her mum then died when the child was 8. It enabled her then 18yo brother to keep custody of her.

I believe Boris Johnson’s mother had serious mental (inpatient) and physical health issues, and was being beaten by her husband - who sent Boris to boarding schools as a result of his mum being unable to look after him.

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 23:16

oakleaffy · 24/11/2024 23:14

@BaklavaRocks A family member's wife was a nanny, very wealthy family in London- an absolute tragedy when the young person took their own life.
{they had qualified Nanny then boarding school}
Definitely emotional coldness and distance in certain wealthy families.

A lot of old pony books from 1940's/50's assumed a child would be at boarding school as well, and talked of getting ponies fit for the holidays/hunting.

😥💐

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StandingSideBySide · 24/11/2024 23:15

I can’t comment on the affects of boarding from a young age as ours only boarded in their final Alevel years after badgering us for some time to do so. None of their early boarding friends seem to have been badly affected, they are all well rounded really polite people as far as I can see.

Boris Johnson didn’t board from 8 he started at age 11yrs and only because his mother had a nervous breakdown.

David Cameron I think boarded earlier as his prep school was all boarding but in small houses of 8 pupils only. He was put up 2yrs due to being so intelligent, I assume that’s after starting prep though as there’s no boarding at age 5.

No idea if boarding affected them but Margaret Thatchers school didn’t exactly do her any favours.

DrunkTinkerbell40s · 24/11/2024 23:15

@BaklavaRocks

If it's ok to ask (don't answer if not), how are your relationships now? Stable partner? -
Yep, married to my partner of 25 years and have children. Very happy :)

Would you let your children (if you have them) board at age 10?
No, not because I think it would be bad for them. I would miss them too much.

Did you miss you mum and dad when you were away from them at 10? Are you close? Were you close?
I did miss them. I was a daddy's girl through and through. I was a weekly boarder for the first few years so went home at the weekend.
My parents were in the forces so lots of kids around me went to boarding school. I wanted to go as had a friend going. And I loved Enid Blyton books about boarding schools lol.

Was it all positive or anything that was less so?
I did get homesick at times, but not often. I can't really think of anything else :)

Askingforafriendtoday · 24/11/2024 23:14

Pigeonqueen · 24/11/2024 21:28

I agree with you, but you will get rich and privileged people coming along telling you they had no choice because of their jobs / it was better for the children to be settled / blah blah. All a complete load of self justification and bullshit. No one HAS to send their child to boarding school (except in very extreme circumstances relating to disabilities - for example a child with severe sen who is violent towards their younger siblings etc, I know of a few families where this is their situation and that is hugely different, I’m taking special needs residential schools etc). But people sending their kids off to board because it suits them is selfish.

It broke my mum's heart sending us to boarding school, 2 of us primary, 2 older, but my dad's job was a very difficult one in a place where there were no educational options for ex pat children and none at all for girls... nothing to do with being rich or privileged, it was a very dangerous part of the world, his employer paid the boarding fees, tuition was free, paid for by the state.

oakleaffy · 24/11/2024 23:14

@BaklavaRocks A family member's wife was a nanny, very wealthy family in London- an absolute tragedy when the young person took their own life.
{they had qualified Nanny then boarding school}
Definitely emotional coldness and distance in certain wealthy families.

A lot of old pony books from 1940's/50's assumed a child would be at boarding school as well, and talked of getting ponies fit for the holidays/hunting.

Mischance · 24/11/2024 23:13

I absolutely cringed at the gap year woman saying to little April "Try not to be upset" and "It makes your parents upset if you are upset" - heavens above. She is allowed to be upset - it is a normal emotion under the circumstances; and to imply that she has responsibility for her parents' happiness is simply appalling.

This is one of the main reasons not to send children away - someone else will be imposing their emotional judgments and their values on your child, 24 hours a day.

It is utterly dreadful. Who makes that decision that education is more important than normal attachments and relationships - no wonder our leaders who went through the system are so blind to the needs of others - they have had to sublimate their needs from such a young age. It is warped and quite shocking.

FanofLeaves · 24/11/2024 23:13

DrunkTinkerbell40s · 24/11/2024 23:11

We would stay in the infirmary with matron. And she was lovely. She'd spoil us rotten and we had tv in our room! We'd fake being poorly to be in there!

So, craving and then revelling in attention, care and home comforts from a maternal figure… I think that’s probably quite telling isn’t it?

Darkmodette · 24/11/2024 23:11

I think boarding schools could be very helpful for children from fractured families, eg acrimonious divorce or mental health issues

DrunkTinkerbell40s · 24/11/2024 23:11

corkindigo · 24/11/2024 22:32

When you become ill at boarding school, eg stomach bug, do you stay there or go home for a few days?

We would stay in the infirmary with matron. And she was lovely. She'd spoil us rotten and we had tv in our room! We'd fake being poorly to be in there!

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 23:06

MolkosTeenageAngst · 24/11/2024 22:44

I think this comment shows your naivety around parenting and different parenting styles. I was not being ‘cuddled’ by my parents aged 11, in fact I don’t remember ever being hugged by my mum as a child. I wasn’t tucked into bed at night and by the time I was 11 and secondary age if I was ill and off school I was left at home alone as both parents worked and couldn’t/ didn’t want to take time off. I didn’t go to boarding school but don’t assume every child has affectionate, warm, lovey covey parents at home who would be caring for them in this way if they weren’t at boarding school. There are many children who don’t have warm, attentive or emotionally interested parents, some will attend day schools and some boarding schools, I imagine many of those at boarding schools probably fare better that those living with emotionally absent parents.

Thanks @MolkosTeenageAngst

I asked the question about missing hugs etc.. precisely because I couldn't imagine a child that had affectionate warm loving huggy parents would love boarding school that much. I was wondering what the reply would be. It wasn't a naivity around parenting. Quite the opposite.

It doesn't surprise me that children with parents who are distant and not warm might enjoy some aspects of boarding school and fair better there.than at home.

I actually agree with all your post.

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Nottodayplease36 · 24/11/2024 23:04

My eldest went to boarding school at 14. He didn’t have to board, the school has day students too and we lived 30 minutes away.

He absolutely loved boarding, rarely came home at weekends. Happy family home, no issues at all, he simply loved the school.

He’s in his early 20’s now, lives at home. Caring, well adjusted young man. Still pops into his old school to see house parents/teachers and talks so very fondly of his time there.

Annalouisa · 24/11/2024 23:02

I went to boarding school as a sixth former and found it disturbing to:

a) see kids as young as 8 at boarding school, with no one to hug them when they were upset. Some of the more unpopular younger boys were bullied badly in their dorms (and were covered in bruises from beatings dished out the previous night)

b) find that some children had no valid reason to be at boarding school - their parents lived in nearby cities but had shipped their kids off to boarding school so they could focus on their careers or their new partners, it seemed. The pretence was of course that boarding school offered xyz that the local school didn't have. Honestly, children need parents more than extensive grounds and onsite sports equipment.

c) discover that most of the staff were emotionally absent. Kids that got into trouble were invariably 'learning invaluable lessons from their behaviour', aka the attitude was don't do it again or you'll suffer the same consequences. Your problem, not mine. The kids were a job to them, IYSWIM. No one was parental, warm or caring, apart from one middle-aged lady who worked in a support role; she couldn't help herself.

Honestly, not an environment I'd recommend for children who ultimately still need parenting. Probably okay for older teenagers.

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 22:59

F1rugby23 · 24/11/2024 22:44

I went and it was terrible for me. My parents worked abroad and the company paid do they thought they were getting a good education for us but didn't really think about the emotional cost. They wanted to send me at 8 but i begged to not go so they made me agree to going the year later, still don't understand why i had to go that young as there were international scools where we were. The first year was awful, i actually had a physcotic episode and was sent home early one term, but no one ever explained it to me properly. My brother also went but we were never at the same school at the same time. I remember feeling so alone and abandoned. The worst thing is I never really had the confidence to take advantage of the opportunity, i just struggled through. I hardly spoke for the first 2 years, today i would have been diagnosed with selective mutism, even though I had been quite chatty at home. I actually feel great shame about the whole thing.

I think I disappointed my parents as i just wanted a family and to feel safe so career wise I haven't really suceeded in a the way they hoped. I just coped with life, and only really gained any confidence when I got married and had my own family. I have really struggled with my oldest going to uni, it's reminded me in reverse of how I felt then. I appear happy and normal on the outside today, but still lack confidence.

I'm sorry you went through all this :( 💐

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hotpotlover · 24/11/2024 22:58

I couldn't do it.

We send our kids to nursery due to work, but nothing beats hugging my kids every day, kissing them, reading to them and seeing their little faces sleeping safely in their warm beds at home.

PersonalityofaVacuum · 24/11/2024 22:57

MolkosTeenageAngst · 24/11/2024 22:44

I think this comment shows your naivety around parenting and different parenting styles. I was not being ‘cuddled’ by my parents aged 11, in fact I don’t remember ever being hugged by my mum as a child. I wasn’t tucked into bed at night and by the time I was 11 and secondary age if I was ill and off school I was left at home alone as both parents worked and couldn’t/ didn’t want to take time off. I didn’t go to boarding school but don’t assume every child has affectionate, warm, lovey covey parents at home who would be caring for them in this way if they weren’t at boarding school. There are many children who don’t have warm, attentive or emotionally interested parents, some will attend day schools and some boarding schools, I imagine many of those at boarding schools probably fare better that those living with emotionally absent parents.

I would agree with this. My parents weren't huggers past a young age, in fact the only time my Dad hugged me is if he felt remorseful after one of his many full-on temper tantrums at me, he has a very bad anger issue and is still the same.
My Mum was amazing, but she worked long hours and went to college some nights too,I was always alone in the house or in my bedroom hiding from my Dad. As I got older I absolutely did not want affection. Strangely as an adult I have been overly affectionate and loving and it has had me walked all over in relationships, single now and having been alone for so long even while in relationships I feel I have more or less given up.

Boarding wasn't an option for my family-but even with the abusive father, I wouldn't have wanted to go. I was shy and quiet and liked my own space, being around other people all day was and is exhausting for me.

I know one ex-boarder well. He wasn't a boarder for long, I think two years or such. Father had a job that took them to Saudi Arabia and they didn't want to take the children with them.

He is one of three siblings. He's an intelligent, capable man, an excellent carpenter and DIY-er with a high intellectual level. He's never doen much in his life however. He is an alcoholic who lives in utter squalor. He held down an 'okay' job at the council for many years but eventually succumbed to his alcoholism and was let go.

His Sister (also a boarder) has done well but had many abusive relationships before her most recent partner. She spoke to me at length about being hit with slippers and shoes and other objects. As male and female they were in different houses but he would be sent over to comfort her most nights as she was crying uncontrollably. They also said the food was atrocious and they'd often just not eat. Fractured relationship with their Mother (father is deceased but had been estranged since they were young).

Their youngest sibling (also female) didn't board, but is also an alcoholic.

My closest male friend went to a boarding school as a day pupil. A few years ago the (sexual and physical) abuse by the priests there was exposed and many of his friends had been victim to it. A lot of them thought it was just normal and hadn't ever talked about it.

Alifemoreordinary123 · 24/11/2024 22:56

My view isn’t terribly educated other than an understanding of what young children need. For most children, home is the best place until they are at least 13. For a few, whose home life are terrible, boarding is probably a better place sadly.

user44221 · 24/11/2024 22:56

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 22:01

I think it helps people to suppress emotion which means you can keep making tough decisions in life without being impacted emotionally. You can hurt people and be hurt without feeling it. You can learn to be independent and not rely on others or trust in others or care about others.

This can lead to great things (being PM or a CEO) but it can also cause problems in relationships (Boris had how many kids and how many partners?) and cause big problems for others (austerity, Brexit, etc......) .....

A really interesting book on that topic - the author went to boarding school from the age of 8 and is not a fan.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/sad-little-men/richard-beard/9781529114805

ACatNamedRobin · 24/11/2024 22:55

pizzapizzadaddio · 24/11/2024 21:30

I feel like it depends on the kid. Many love it. I guess they’d be getting such a high quality of education that it’s probably a decision best weighed up overall. Some of the most well adjusted adults I know are ex boarders. Equally some despise it and that’s very sad.

The issue that bothers me more and I think future generations will look back in horror about is 9-6 childcare for babies from 12 months meaning they only see parents at weekends. And I speak as someone who can’t afford to be a SAHM. I think it’s pretty horrific to separate babies and toddlers from their parents and we’re the first generation who can’t afford to stay at home really (obviously people have always done this but nowadays most of use nursery) We don’t yet know the consequences of this and it’s taboo to discuss. I have never spoken of this to anyone other than my husband. Boarding schools seem to be fair game in a way nurseries are not.

@pizzapizzadaddio
SAHM is not something that existed in Central and Eastern Europe - women worked equally to men.

Maternity leave has gotten (much) longer recently but for half a century at least it was just a few months - most now adults in Central and Eastern Europe would have been in childcare as much younger babies (2-3 months).

If this had detrimental effects all of the population of the continent would be affected, which surely they are not.

StSwithinsDay · 24/11/2024 22:51

I think it's very interesting that Prince George has not gone to boarding school so far and that he has stayed in Lambrook presumably until he is 13. The Prince of Wales is certainly breaking the mould there..(Lambrook has flexi boarding so he may do that but not the full Eton experience that his father had).

Nanny0gg · 24/11/2024 22:50

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:23

That's good to hear :) did he go off at age 8? Or was he a bit older? (I can see that my teen might enjoy it at age 16. He'd have survived it and might even have liked it at age 13. He'd have been waaaaay too young at 8! My youngest would never like it, even at 16!)

He was 12. It wasn't hundreds of miles away so he did see family a few times a term at weekends (wasn't bothered - interfered with sport!)

Gorgonemilezola · 24/11/2024 22:50

My Dad was offered an amazing job in the ME in the 70s - would have set him and Mum up for life if he'd worked there for 5 years (and we don't come from privilege so it was an incredible opportunity.) It took him 5 minutes to turn the job down after they found out we would have had to go to boarding school in the UK.

Maplebean · 24/11/2024 22:48

greenbirds · 24/11/2024 21:35

@BaklavaRocks I've watched the YouTube videos you posted before and, as someone who went to boarding school in the 1980's I found them really upsetting. They vividly brought back memories of feeling so alone and abandoned, and I felt exactly as I remember feeling then. A horrible sort of sinking desolation inside. I was older than the children in the documentary, as was aged 13 when i started, so it must have been even worse for them.

I am sure that boarding has improved since I went, and it wasn't horrific, just really lonely and isolating. I feel as though I kind of 'disappeared' at boarding school. I learnt to completely hide how I felt and just get on with things, regardless of how I felt inside. I am still the same, 35 years later. No-one notices whether I am happy or sad, as I keep it all hidden and don't know how to be any different.

I think boarding is best avoided for younger children and only for those age 13+ if it really is the best option. Many boarders, like me, are from military families so it does allow continuity of education. Parents are generally just trying to do the best for their children but it certainly can come at a price. An often excellent education at the expense of emotional wellbeing for some. A child's personality should also be a factor. If you are very extrovert then boarding school is potentially a lot easier than if you are introverted and need your own space to thrive.

This was really sad to read. My dad went to boarding school and this is exactly how he is so your post is really insightful for me. Sorry you went through that.

SuperfluousHen · 24/11/2024 22:48

DreamTheMoors · 24/11/2024 22:46

My dad sent my brother to boarding school - only because he went, no other reason.
My mum sat in my brother’s bedroom every day and sobbed, unable to get a grip on herself.
My brother graduated with honours, went to a prestigious university and was extremely successful, and was the most cruel person I’ve ever known.

Oh that’s so chilling. 😢

Raindropskeepfallinonmyhead · 24/11/2024 22:48

loopylou3030 · 24/11/2024 22:46

Boarded from the age of 8. Absolutely dreadful. Used to cry myself to sleep sometimes and nobody comes to comfort you. Ran after my mums car once crying and begging her not to leave me, she just drove off. My own son is 8 now and the thought of not being there to cuddle him when he's sad or poorly is unimaginable.

Oh gosh this is heartbreaking poor 8 year old you xxx

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