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to think boarding schools are no longer ok...

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BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:11

Inspired by another thread, and some old YouTube documentaries I've recently watched, I can't help but feel boarding schools for under 13's (i.e. boarding prep schools) have had their time.

Maybe they used to be an acceptable option, but with all the research we now have available, showing the damage done by separation of young children from their parents, do you think boarding for v young kids (8/9/10/11) will eventually be banned except in v exceptional circumstances?

And if our politicians including past PMs like Johnson and Cameron were not a product of boarding schools, do you think they'd have more compassion and be less cut off from emotion and feelings? and better able to relate to us common folk?

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PermanentTemporary · 24/11/2024 23:48

If you think an individual is cold and emotionally detached (Starmer doesn't seem like that to me at all) then OK, but the point surely is that he wouldn't be improved by boarding.

Isatis · 24/11/2024 23:47

SweetSixty · 24/11/2024 21:25

Rachel Johnson said she sent her children to boarding school because raising children was too important a matter to be left to amateurs. Says it all about a certain class of person really.

That's so mad. There's nothing about working in a boarding school which makes you a "professional" when it comes to bringing up children. Apart from anything else, you will almost always be dealing with several children, even if you are something like a house mother in a boarding house; and you will only actually see them for around half the year, so you will never develop the sort of relationships that good parenting requires.

Unfortunately it illustrates the sort of upbringing Rachel Johnson had when she didn't experience any sort of normal parent/child relationship because of her mother's illness and her father's distance.

bunnypenny · 24/11/2024 23:46

My grandma in the 1920s was (apparently) sent by train from Scotland to London to Boarding School aged 3. My Dad was sent in the early 50s aged 6/7 I think. My grandma was a formidable woman who overcame many tragedies (stillbirth, fairly early widowhood etc), and my Dad was loving and caring but also had his own tragedies (lost his dad and also had a few cancers).

i was desperate to go to boarding school (Mallory Towers, St Clare’s) but wasn’t allowed, Now, with my own children, I fully understand why I wasn’t allowed.

Whitefluffycloud · 24/11/2024 23:45

izimbra · 24/11/2024 22:29

"Boarding schools seem to be fair game in a way nurseries are not."

Because kids live at boarding school.

They don't live at nursery.

That doesn't mean it's okay? Children can express their feelings in a way a 12 month old baby cannot

StandingSideBySide · 24/11/2024 23:43

SpiderRemedy · 24/11/2024 23:28

There was another boarding school documentary made at a similar time to the one you linked, @BaklavaRocks , called Britain's Youngest Boarders and filmed at Sunningdale School.

The documentary has now been taken down because one of the boys died in 2020 aged just 19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00txn31

Any links to the student death.
I can only find the story about a mum dieing after being hit by a car on site. A 19yr old employee practicing driving apparently ?!

allmyliesaretrue · 24/11/2024 23:42

Snowxmas · 24/11/2024 23:35

I agree. Babies not being collected by parents until 6pm five days a week - how could this have become normalised? I know both parents often need to work to make ends meet and I’m not apportioning blame to them, but this way of raising children feels like a dangerous (and sad) social experiment to me.

A million per cent not comparable to boarding school.

I just knew someone would attempt to make this (bullshit!) point. Not remotely comparable.

It's not a "social experiment" either. It's perfectly normal and has been the case for very many years now. Perhaps we shouldn't send our children to school either, if that's how you look at it?!

ScrollingLeaves · 24/11/2024 23:40

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:19

Thanks, yeah I might watch that. I agree that the country has been hugely influenced by boarding school graduates, many of whom (obvs. not all, but many) have attachment difficulties and problems with emotion recognition and empathy.

You may be right but I think one would be hard pushed to find someone more detached and cold fish-like in how he comes across than Sir Keir Starmer.

One thing to mention about boarding schools is that they can be essential for some parents because of their work.

There are also State boarding schools.

Isatis · 24/11/2024 23:40

sprigatito · 24/11/2024 21:22

I couldn't agree more. Boarding has changed a great deal - pastoral care has improved immensely and children's needs are better understood, contact with families is better etc...but it is not and can never be enough. Children need to be brought up by people who love them. School staff, however well-trained and pleasant, are not parents and they do not love your child. Touch starvation is very common in boarding schools and it does lifelong psychological damage.

You will get plenty of pushback from parents who insist their children are blissfully happy at boarding school. But in my experience, the children who "loved it" are the ones who show serious emotional deficits in later life. Growing up in institutional care should never be seen as a positive choice.

I so agree. I don't believe any child genuinely loves boarding school unless there is something quite seriously amiss with their home life or there are other problems going on or developing. I went to boarding school, and I remember to this day the sheer misery of homesickness. Over my dead body would I have sent to my children to one.

bloodynaps · 24/11/2024 23:39

I felt like that at 18 when i went to uni 4 hours away from my family home. You might call me a wet wipe but honestly i cannot ever imagine sending my kids to boarding school at a younger age. They are far too precious for me to miss a moment away from them as they will one day fly the nest when ready. They are at school everyday anyway and then clubs, the last 2 hours I spend with them each evening after spending a busy day at school and me at work and hugging them and kissing them regulating their emotions is the best thing ever.

sosad24 · 24/11/2024 23:39

I'm in my 50s and dating a man similar age. He went boarding from prep school. He's a lovely man, but I can tell that he's emotionally damaged. He very seldom shows any vulnerability, but he has told me how he would beg to stay at home and go to the local indie rather than being sent to boarding school. He finds it difficult to trust, he's admitted. And he's also said that he'd never send his DC boarding. I think it's the conflict between knowing the money his parents spent on a great education and how grateful he should be for that, and remembering the emotional pain he went through at the same time. He's previously been drinking a lot, have had problems with relationships etc.

I'm only still with him, because it suits me to take it slowly right now, and we are moving forward as a couple. But I probably won't be able to deal with it longer term.

It makes me sad to see how badly this has impacted him. I've got no doubt that it is boarding from such an early age, that's impacted him this badly.

RogueFemale · 24/11/2024 23:38

I'd have loved to have gone to a boarding school, - it really wasn't wonderful at home.

Laurmolonlabe · 24/11/2024 23:36

I think Rachel Johnson saying bringing up children should be left to professionals tells you everything you need to know about Britain's elite really. Why have children if you are just going to use "professional services" to bring them up-what are you having children for?
Several people have made the point that some children thrive at boarding school- this is true, but they are probably well balanced and would equally have thrived at home.
My own father was sent away to school at 7, and is emotionally stunted because of it. IMHO 7 is far too young- if a 13 year old likes the idea-why not try it, but otherwise I think people should bring up their own children, parents are rarely perfect but it is extremely rare for them to be so awful an alternative is preferable.

Snowxmas · 24/11/2024 23:35

pizzapizzadaddio · 24/11/2024 21:30

I feel like it depends on the kid. Many love it. I guess they’d be getting such a high quality of education that it’s probably a decision best weighed up overall. Some of the most well adjusted adults I know are ex boarders. Equally some despise it and that’s very sad.

The issue that bothers me more and I think future generations will look back in horror about is 9-6 childcare for babies from 12 months meaning they only see parents at weekends. And I speak as someone who can’t afford to be a SAHM. I think it’s pretty horrific to separate babies and toddlers from their parents and we’re the first generation who can’t afford to stay at home really (obviously people have always done this but nowadays most of use nursery) We don’t yet know the consequences of this and it’s taboo to discuss. I have never spoken of this to anyone other than my husband. Boarding schools seem to be fair game in a way nurseries are not.

I agree. Babies not being collected by parents until 6pm five days a week - how could this have become normalised? I know both parents often need to work to make ends meet and I’m not apportioning blame to them, but this way of raising children feels like a dangerous (and sad) social experiment to me.

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 24/11/2024 23:33

SpiderRemedy · 24/11/2024 23:28

There was another boarding school documentary made at a similar time to the one you linked, @BaklavaRocks , called Britain's Youngest Boarders and filmed at Sunningdale School.

The documentary has now been taken down because one of the boys died in 2020 aged just 19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00txn31

But everyone is saying it’s all different now,like hell it is as this has proven sad all round just sad

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 24/11/2024 23:32

DrunkTinkerbell40s · 24/11/2024 23:15

@BaklavaRocks

If it's ok to ask (don't answer if not), how are your relationships now? Stable partner? -
Yep, married to my partner of 25 years and have children. Very happy :)

Would you let your children (if you have them) board at age 10?
No, not because I think it would be bad for them. I would miss them too much.

Did you miss you mum and dad when you were away from them at 10? Are you close? Were you close?
I did miss them. I was a daddy's girl through and through. I was a weekly boarder for the first few years so went home at the weekend.
My parents were in the forces so lots of kids around me went to boarding school. I wanted to go as had a friend going. And I loved Enid Blyton books about boarding schools lol.

Was it all positive or anything that was less so?
I did get homesick at times, but not often. I can't really think of anything else :)

But it was alright to be sent but you won’t isn’t that a bit telling and not buying I’d miss them to much.

have you asked your parents if they missed you and why if military did they send you as most of the mums were stay at home as a lot couldn’t work without the countries work visas unless mum was military too which is rare.

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 23:31

SpiderRemedy · 24/11/2024 23:28

There was another boarding school documentary made at a similar time to the one you linked, @BaklavaRocks , called Britain's Youngest Boarders and filmed at Sunningdale School.

The documentary has now been taken down because one of the boys died in 2020 aged just 19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00txn31

😥😥

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SpiderRemedy · 24/11/2024 23:28

There was another boarding school documentary made at a similar time to the one you linked, @BaklavaRocks , called Britain's Youngest Boarders and filmed at Sunningdale School.

The documentary has now been taken down because one of the boys died in 2020 aged just 19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00txn31

BBC Two - Britain's Youngest Boarders

Documentary following three boys as they leave home to go to boarding school.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00txn31

MiddleParking · 24/11/2024 23:28

I can’t imagine anything I’d have found more stressful than “a sleepover with my friends every night” even in my later teens. Even when I enjoyed sleepovers I found them to be a pretty high stakes social situation, especially in a group. Doing it every night would have killed me off. I have to say I always thought my friends with the less satisfactory home lives were keener on staying over at other people’s houses than those of us who were going home to loving/present/stable parents. I can see why, extending that out, boarding school would be a preferable option for some teenagers.

However, I would suggest that anyone who proposes to send their eight year old to live elsewhere voluntarily be locked up as a precautionary measure, because they are not emotionally healthy enough to be in society with the rest of us, and they definitely, definitely can’t appropriately safeguard that child.

aliceinawonderland · 24/11/2024 23:27

Liv999 · 24/11/2024 22:09

This in a nutshell

I don't know. I had a very happy childhood and loved my parents, but I have to admit that from the age of 13-14, my evenings after school were boring. I didn't want to say goodbye to my friends at 3.15pm and pre social media, just do homework/watch rubbish television. Yes I chatted to my parents, but in all honesty at that age, they were "second best" and I often used the "landline" (after 6 pm mind!) to phone the friends I'd just said goodbye to.
A weekly boarding school from Monday morning to Friday evening would have been the best of both worlds.

Gettingbysomehow · 24/11/2024 23:26

I didnt love boarding school but my parents were highly abusive and it was better than being at home with them.

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 23:21

pl228 · 24/11/2024 23:18

My elderly mum still regularly talks about her short spell at boarding school as a young kid. Horrible.

That said, I can see the necessity. I know someone who went from 8-18 and it was because her dad left and her mum then died when the child was 8. It enabled her then 18yo brother to keep custody of her.

I believe Boris Johnson’s mother had serious mental (inpatient) and physical health issues, and was being beaten by her husband - who sent Boris to boarding schools as a result of his mum being unable to look after him.

Poor old Boris. I almost feel sorry for him

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Chicooo · 24/11/2024 23:20

My daughter is a day girl at a boarding school.

So I often hear about what her friends are up to at the weekend/evenings.

While I'd never want to send DD away, I must admit having now had experience of a modern boarding school it's very very different to how I'd imagined it.

The boarding staff are so sweet and motherly and the boarders have really lovely evenings and weekends. Movies, pamper parties, outdoor activities, shopping trips, baking etc. This weekend was bowling and cinema yesterday and baking Christmas cookies and making decorations today.

Much less screen time than most children these days.

I'd still not want DD not living with me, but it's changed my opinion quite a bit. Certainly for secondary age anyway.

StandingSideBySide · 24/11/2024 23:19

DrunkTinkerbell40s · 24/11/2024 23:11

We would stay in the infirmary with matron. And she was lovely. She'd spoil us rotten and we had tv in our room! We'd fake being poorly to be in there!

@corkindigo during covid the infirmary at my boys school was fit to bursting.
No one went home as most lived abroad and couldn't travel.

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 23:19

DrunkTinkerbell40s · 24/11/2024 23:15

@BaklavaRocks

If it's ok to ask (don't answer if not), how are your relationships now? Stable partner? -
Yep, married to my partner of 25 years and have children. Very happy :)

Would you let your children (if you have them) board at age 10?
No, not because I think it would be bad for them. I would miss them too much.

Did you miss you mum and dad when you were away from them at 10? Are you close? Were you close?
I did miss them. I was a daddy's girl through and through. I was a weekly boarder for the first few years so went home at the weekend.
My parents were in the forces so lots of kids around me went to boarding school. I wanted to go as had a friend going. And I loved Enid Blyton books about boarding schools lol.

Was it all positive or anything that was less so?
I did get homesick at times, but not often. I can't really think of anything else :)

Thanks @DrunkTinkerbell40s Nice to hear a positive story! I know what you mean about your own DC, I'd miss mine too much too 🙂

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SmallestMan · 24/11/2024 23:18

My brother went to one at 11. Now in his early 40s he’s going through a lot of emotional reflection and is struggling with the damage he feels has been done due to being sent at a young age.

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