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To be a bit scared of DH's hobby?

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TurkeyDinosaurs2 · 24/11/2024 11:12

My DH has a pilot's licence, and he flies around for fun. He did originally want to go commercial but changed his mind. It's expensive but he pays for it out of his own spending money, so fine.

I can't help but worry when he goes though. I'm always hearing about light aircraft accidents in the locality, and the fact that he's thousands of feet up, often on his own, in a 1970s plane. We have a young DS and I'm constantly thinking what if he has an accident? He's got 300+ hours apparently and nothing has ever gone seriously wrong, but still.

I don't really know how to deal with it. Someone suggested I go up with him. No thanks.

Any advice?

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TurkeyDinosaurs2 · 24/11/2024 22:05

walltowallkents · 24/11/2024 20:24

I understand the worry but his hobby could equally be horse riding or motorbikes or something else dangerous. Just get all paperwork up to date in case anything ever did happen, and then do your best to forget about it. He could be knocked down in the morning. You can’t worry about everything!

I do, I'm a terrible worrier!

Thank you everyone. I feel a lot better about it now ☺️

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Saltedcaramellavacake · 24/11/2024 20:31

Your DH should be very aware of the terms of his insurance. My dad was a VFR pilot who pushed on through deteriorating weather conditions to find a safe landing spot and sadly crashed. The decision to push on voided the insurance (for him it was only the plane insurance as he no longer kept life insurance) but we needed to fund the cost of the burial of the plane. He was a very cautious man who made a poor risk decision in the moment, but insurance won’t usually cover pilot judgment error. Not helpful for anxiety and I don’t mean to make it worse but many people don’t actually know what they have to do/not do to ensure the insurance is valid when they need it.

walltowallkents · 24/11/2024 20:24

I understand the worry but his hobby could equally be horse riding or motorbikes or something else dangerous. Just get all paperwork up to date in case anything ever did happen, and then do your best to forget about it. He could be knocked down in the morning. You can’t worry about everything!

zerored · 24/11/2024 20:16

Unpopular opinion no doubt but I had a similar hobby in terms of risk and I stopped as soon as I was pregnant. I'll probably pick it up once my child is an adult but in the meantime I'm not willing to put myself at additional risk when my family need me, and especially pay a small fortune to do so. I understand your worries completely. If he's not willing to stop the hobby for a while maybe agree on a compromise in terms of not taking any chances with the weather, avoid night flying, not taking your children up with him etc. I also second the life insurance if you don't have it already, but expect a big premium. Amateur aviation is risky. I know numerous private pilots and many have had crashes, most walk away from them but others sadly not. Your concern is justified, and I would just try to mitigate the risk as much as possible.

BruFord · 24/11/2024 20:00

notimagain · 24/11/2024 17:10

@BruFord

I will understand your fear in future as my DD (19) has started a course to get her pilot’s license! She’s right at the beginning now so it’ll be a while before she’s actually flying, but it’s a terrifying thought.

If she’s at a decent course at a good school it will all be highly regulated and controlled so do try not to worry too much.

That form of light aircraft flying is very safe.

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Thanks for the reassurance @notimagain.

BruFord · 24/11/2024 19:46

EddieVeddersfoxymop · 24/11/2024 19:21

My teen daughter is half way through her pilots licence! She's only just turned 17. I try not to think about it too much......

@EddieVeddersfoxymop We’ve both got adventurous DD’s!

BruFord · 24/11/2024 19:45

FictionalCharacter · 24/11/2024 17:39

Flying, gliding, parachuting, skiing, climbing, horse riding, winter mountain walking, trekking and hiking in remote areas, martial arts: all of these are enjoyable and carry some risk compared to sitting watching telly, but the enjoyment is worth it. I’ve done all of these a fair bit. The risks aren’t huge anyway, and I wouldn’t want a dull ultra safe life not being able to have interesting, exciting experiences.
Sports like football carry risks too, but because the perception isn’t of a potential big fatal accident, nobody thinks of these sports as dangerous.

I agree @FictionalCharacter and I’d much rather my children were out making the most of life than glued to a screen at home.

EddieVeddersfoxymop · 24/11/2024 19:21

My teen daughter is half way through her pilots licence! She's only just turned 17. I try not to think about it too much......

TurkeyDinosaurs2 · 24/11/2024 18:55

@FictionalCharacter @ShodAndShadySenators thank you both, really reassuring.

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ShodAndShadySenators · 24/11/2024 18:46

Agree with PP, get life insurance cover and try to relax about it when you can.

My FIL - and MIL did too - had a private pilot's licence from when he was young and he even built his own plane. He only gave up flying when he started to struggle mentally, which turned out to be the onset of dementia, in his mid eighties.

Flying is so focused on safety and mechanical soundness, it's not like driving a car as cars are only required to pass an MOT once a year, regardless of how many hours on the road they've had. Aircraft are checked rigorously every time they are going to fly. Nobody expects drivers to have a medical every two years as a minimum. Obviously there are risks attached to flying but there are plenty of mitigating factors as PP have outlined.

Hope you can gain a bit more equilibrium towards it, it's a lovely hobby and your child would probably enjoy it too

FictionalCharacter · 24/11/2024 17:47

I forgot scuba diving 😁 done that too.
I also meant to say that people who don’t do some of these sports, and don’t understand them, hugely overestimate the risk. They don’t realise how much of the training is on safety procedures and emergency drills. You practise these drills over and over again before you’re allowed to do things without close supervision by an instructor. People sometimes think that if something goes wrong you have to think on your feet and quickly work out what to do. That isn’t the case at all for things like flying and parachuting. You’re taught and tested on the emergencies so thoroughly that when it happens, you don’t need to think, you just automatically respond in the way you’ve practised many times.

FictionalCharacter · 24/11/2024 17:39

Flying, gliding, parachuting, skiing, climbing, horse riding, winter mountain walking, trekking and hiking in remote areas, martial arts: all of these are enjoyable and carry some risk compared to sitting watching telly, but the enjoyment is worth it. I’ve done all of these a fair bit. The risks aren’t huge anyway, and I wouldn’t want a dull ultra safe life not being able to have interesting, exciting experiences.
Sports like football carry risks too, but because the perception isn’t of a potential big fatal accident, nobody thinks of these sports as dangerous.

TheOtherSide21 · 24/11/2024 17:33

My OH rides bikes. I’ve always HATED them, even more so after one of my closest friends died coming off his last year. But it’s his choice - I ride horses so it’s a play off really. He can go stupidly fast but I’m always at the mercy of a flight animal’s brain…

Insure him to the gunnels and try to forget about it. I remember the first early days were I’d feel physically sick every time I knew he was on the bike- especially as he can’t check in much on long rides and often goes off road and out of signal. I have life 360 on him which helps me check in as I can see he’s still moving etc. I’ve been to a couple of track days too and it’s helped me see he’s actually quite capable / sensible enough.

notimagain · 24/11/2024 17:10

@BruFord

I will understand your fear in future as my DD (19) has started a course to get her pilot’s license! She’s right at the beginning now so it’ll be a while before she’s actually flying, but it’s a terrifying thought.

If she’s at a decent course at a good school it will all be highly regulated and controlled so do try not to worry too much.

That form of light aircraft flying is very safe.

rayofsunshine86 · 24/11/2024 17:09

I've had a number of lessons, and as long as you've properly checked the weather forecast then it's as safe as sailing. My DH would rather I fly than me ride a bike (motor or otherwise!).

notimagain · 24/11/2024 17:05

TurkeyDinosaurs2 · 24/11/2024 16:59

That's very interesting. More serious accidents in general aviation (which I presume DH is involved in) since 2019 though. I wonder why.

I’m not sure there’s much more going on than usual statistical variation.

For context It’s maybe worth being aware Serious Accidents can include embarrassing stuff where there’s no injury but the event was never these embarrassing and metal got bent.

TurkeyDinosaurs2 · 24/11/2024 16:59

notimagain · 24/11/2024 16:54

Not sure if helps but for example the UK CAA annual safety review for 2022 contains the stats for various types of flying:

www.caa.co.uk/publication/download/20660

That's very interesting. More serious accidents in general aviation (which I presume DH is involved in) since 2019 though. I wonder why.

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BruFord · 24/11/2024 16:57

I will understand your fear in future as my DD (19) has started a course to get her pilot’s license! She’s right at the beginning now so it’ll be a while before she’s actually flying, but it’s a terrifying thought. I do admire people who have a sense of adventure though, I’m sure your DH is a great person to be with.

I completely agree with the poster who recommended taking out a substantial life insurance policy. We did that on both of us when our children were young as we knew that it would be needed if something happened to one of us.

Tbh, I think all parents should do this unless they are wealthy.

notimagain · 24/11/2024 16:54

Makingchocolatecake · 24/11/2024 16:48

Not sure about private planes, but isn't flying the safest way to travel? Probably only hear about the accidents because they are less common. They don't report all the car accidents but we still drive.

Not sure if helps but for example the UK CAA annual safety review for 2022 contains the stats for various types of flying:

www.caa.co.uk/publication/download/20660

Makingchocolatecake · 24/11/2024 16:48

Not sure about private planes, but isn't flying the safest way to travel? Probably only hear about the accidents because they are less common. They don't report all the car accidents but we still drive.

Galatine · 24/11/2024 14:29

lunar1 · 24/11/2024 11:33

Slightly different, but my teenager is a scuba diver. Last weekend he was picked up by someone from his diving club and they went diving off a boat in the sea.

I have to try very hard not to think about it too much, he's qualified, the rest are all adults with years of experience, but there's nothing quite like the relief I get when he messages to say they are on their way back!

When I go hill walking with a very experienced friend, my wife asks me to let her know when we are off the hill. My friend points out (correctly), that we are far more likely to be killed or injured on the journey to and from the walk, than we are whilst on the walk.

notimagain · 24/11/2024 14:20

I think if you use your PPL responsibly, make sure you get recurrent checking/training, plan properly (all the Met stuff previously mentioned) don’t push limits and (IMHO) these days fly something equipped with some form of electronic collision awareness then the risks are pretty minimal.

A big one is pressure to get home in bad weather and pushing the limits, rathe than leaving the aircraft and getting alternative transport home/back to the airfield.

Agreed, when PPLs start to use their licence as a means of transport from A to B then there’s a danger risk might start to escalate…the accident reports (especially from the US) provide lots of examples of people with lots of money, fancy kit, but a basic licence pressing on deteriorating weather because they have to get home/to a meeting or whatever and coming to grief.

Runskiyoga · 24/11/2024 14:19

I am always so pleased for people who have hobbies they really love. I wish I was the same! Luckily I do love my job. I would check the life insurance covers it and just accept. No point worrying about it, that won't cause or stop anything bad happening. We'll all die of something one day, might as well enjoy it while we are here.

Gogogo12345 · 24/11/2024 14:17

I don't see it's any worse than many "riskier" hobbies. Motor racing, sky diving etc.

One of my DDs got her PPL at 17. Actually before her car licence. But she had been flying ( accompanied) gliders from age 13 through the ATC.

I'm glad I didn't worry about such things else would be a nervous wreck

coffeesaveslives · 24/11/2024 14:12

Seashellssanctuary · 24/11/2024 14:04

Always such a worthless statement

Maybe not you but if I had to choose an accident I'd fancy my chances more in a car.

The OP is concerned because of the likely outcome of an accident in a plane, I'm sure she's not quite so worried about DH driving back and for to the airfield in his car

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Yes, exactly.

You may be more likely to get into a car crash than a plane crash, but you're also more likely to survive a car crash - that's the difference.